[Biznatch231]

It's even funnier that you point out the fact that you had the stock turbo on for twice as many miles as both of the FP's combined, and it still works fine. While the FP's obviously were destroyed because of your car. They were even installed by a knowledgeable and well respected shop, so installation error is out of the question (especially not on 2 turbos).

[FlyingPerformance]

Ive never been a fan of FP. I have heard of way to many issues with their turbos. While I do sell them if somebody wants one, I dont push them. I push Blouch turbo's because they are good and they stand by their product. I also really like Deadbolt turbo's because Jerry knows WTF is up with a turbo and also stands behind is product. Let us know how all of this turns out for you with the Dom 3, I have nothing but good things to say about that particular turbo and no un-happy customers running it.

[STINewbie]

Thx alot for this, I only read the first couple pages but that made clear to me to stay away from FP turbos

[CharlesC]

Wanted a FP 20g. NOT ANYMORE!

[JAYMAC10]

Originally Posted by CharlesC

Wanted a FP 20g. NOT ANYMORE!

When ever I upgrade my turbo, it won't be with a FP...

Thanks for the post! And sorry you had to go through all that...

[highwayman]

Geez, thats a lot of money wasted for grief. I'm sure times are tough right about now for FP & rightfully so. Stuff like this is what makes me uneasy about modding above Stage 2, even spending money for what you think is quality parts & service you can never tell.

[Interior Flair]

Originally Posted by modaddict

Do you realize what you just said here?

Your ringland, which is below the ring, broke and came above the ring (which would had to break too.....which would have somehow came above your piston crown........which would had to break also.....then, while the engine is running........it would have magically have come OUTof one of the exhaust valves.

you know the piston is at TDC 50 times per second, right? now think about much time and possibilities your ringland would have come out your valve......without CATASTROPHIC engine damage.

possible. NOT probable.

and that's what you're saying broke your FPturbo?

All I know is my turbo blew up at the same time that #4 compression went down. Two pistons were busted.

I tell you, the same exact thing, including the exact noise the turbo made, the smoke out the ***, and everything, happened to me during a pull. I had FP rebuild it for $420 and went on my way!

Here is what it looked like:

Hotside Dramage:



Cold Side Carnage:



Piston Destroyo:



Turbine Wheel:



Cold Wheel:



This damage was caused by a very small particle-we are not talking an entire ring land-just a piece small enough to finally sneak by the ring and valve as the engine begins to let go altogether after many miles with broken lands. The turbo is spinning at well over 100krpms, it isn't going to take much! Once the piece cracks a blade, it flies off and then all hell breaks loose.

Has Majin performed a compression/leakdown test on his car before posting this thread?

Hey, I have my opinions about FP-not all good that is for sure. But I have been through the same thing and can lend a different opinion, that is all my input is for.

And, oh, my rebuilt FP20G is going strong (400hp/420tq) daily driven after the whole incident for 20k miles!

CB

[Crash1973]

Majin,

Thanks for posting this. Barring any unforeseen circumstances, I was planning on starting a build on my '07 this winter. One of the turbos I was looking at was an FP Green. After reading what you went through, FP will not be anywhere in my car. I do believe that as far as the 20g goes, there is enough of a question mark there for them to not warranty it. Do I believe that what he said was the reason was in fact the cause? No. In spite of his assertion's to the fact that he is all knowing in the realm of turbo building and maintenance, I do not think that he really knows what happened to it. The FP Green, however, that is a different story.

He said that his warranty did not allow for reimbursement but only repair or replacement. Then he offers reimbursement (with conditions attached) and withdraws it AFTER YOU MET HIS CONDITIONS. That right there is why FP is going to have an issue. Not only do they not stand behind their products, THEY DON'T KEEP THEIR WORD. I will not knowingly do business with someone who is a liar, cheat or two-faced. This company seems to fit the bill in the two-faced catagory.

Shame on you FP, you just lost my business.

[EFI Logics]

Originally Posted by Interior Flaire

All I know is my turbo blew up at the same time that #4 compression went down. Two pistons were busted.

Hey Cory,

I really don't want to get into a pissing match here, but the top of your piston crown is not broken. It is physically impossible for a piece of ring land, piston, or whatever to reach the turbo without having that piece of the piston broken. If the crown was broken, then I can see where it may have gone through the exhaust valve and damaged the wheel on the turbo.

One thing I might note, your exhaust wheel looks EXACTLY like Jason's, with the same damage, yet, his engine is fine. Something doesn't add up (From FP).

I think the problem here is that there is some type of issue with the turbo being over spun, specifically on methanol injected cars that allow for higher boost levels. I chalked Jason's turbo failure (initially) to possibly pushing it too hard on Methanol (23psi).. But after seeing his Green fail, there is definitely other factors involved.

Again, I respect you (and you know that), but I think your turbo failure had nothing to do with your ring lands getting busted.

Take Care,

Chris

[Interior Flair]

LOL. Thirty + years working on cars and you guys really caught me in a brain fart on this one. Take in mind now, I work on cars for extra money and never thought about the fact it would be VERY hard (impossible?) for a piece of piston to come out past the ring and crown!

Damn you FP!

I just know my failure is exactly like Jason's. Look at that wheel! It is chewed to HELL!

Oh yeah, I'm running methanol too.

Nah, no pissing match here. I am a vendor on here, remember?

CB

Originally Posted by EFI Logics

Hey Cory,

I really don't want to get into a pissing match here, but the top of your piston crown is not broken. It is physically impossible for a piece of ring land, piston, or whatever to reach the turbo without having that piece of the piston broken. If the crown was broken, then I can see where it may have gone through the exhaust valve and damaged the wheel on the turbo.

One thing I might note, your exhaust wheel looks EXACTLY like Jason's, with the same damage, yet, his engine is fine. Something doesn't add up (From FP).

I think the problem here is that there is some type of issue with the turbo being over spun, specifically on methanol injected cars that allow for higher boost levels. I chalked Jason's turbo failure (initially) to possibly pushing it too hard on Methanol (23psi).. But after seeing his Green fail, there is definitely other factors involved.

Again, I respect you (and you know that), but I think your turbo failure had nothing to do with your ring lands getting busted.

Take Care,

Chris