Rob @ AMR (Automaster Of Westchester Dot Com) - Page 3

RiftsWRX · 02-14-2007, 05:22 AM

That's my attitude I've always taught in any of my tuning classes.

The analogy is simple. You've been given a BIG toolbox of tools. Now, you can go grab a book from Bob Villa and build a house in a cookie cut order. Or you can grab a different book from Norm Abrahms and build that same house in a completely different way.

Who was right? Who was wrong? Doesn't matter. That's the point I always beat into people's heads. Tuning is 3 parts art, one part science. The subjective nature of how the individual tuner defines his craft is for him to critique, no one else.

Does the method of tuning work for the application? Can you get faithful and repeatable results in all manners of driving that do not just include WOT? Yes? Then be down with your bad self!

That's all that matters in the end.

I have tons of people rent our dyno to do work, and I get to see every once in a while what their ideology is for tuning. In some cases I completely agree, in others I bite my tongue VERY hard sometimes. But I am no one to judge. I have my way of doing it, it seems to work quite well from what I've been told. So I'll continue to evolve and view emerging technologies at the pace that I've defined for myself.

A good thing for all budding tuners to remember themselves. It's your car, do what YOU see fit, take everything else with a hefty grain of salt.

Cheers!

RainMaker · 02-15-2007, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by AutoMaster

Wolfplayer,

The problem I am having with your post is it is inaccurate. To me you are asking me to tell you how I scale the MAF's. Each tuner has there own methods of doing this. I do not appreciate the attempt you made to hurt my company under a thread made to show customer satisfaction. If you do a search, all of our customer vehicles run 110% perfect and so is the reliablity. I threaten you with legal action because you come across as someone trying to knock our work and tuning when you have never been here before. As far as you reviewing my maps. The tuner is the only person able to pull up there map to view and edit. You can data log to get a glimpse of whats going on but will not be able to see the tuners map. We have nothing to hide, we take pride in the vehicles we do. As any customer of ours will tell you. We stand by our work.

-Rob

Rob,

Were you able to look at the data Wolfplayer sent to you? As Jorge says, the art of tuning knows no limits. Is there something in the way that the intake cal vs. AFR targets were programmed that made it appear like it did?

Thanks.

**AutoMaster** · 02-16-2007, 08:27 AM

Guys,

This conversation and others like it will continue as long as more people strive to unlock the potential of their cars through modifications and tuning. I sincerely appreciate the passion that has developed in the aftermarket community for ecu tuning, however, participating in conversations and threads like this is inherently difficult for me because I am a business person as well as a tuner. If I were a DIY tuner, I'd be happy to share all of my knowledge with the community at large. However, I'm a business owner with a significant investment in equipment and overhead which I support with my tuning and my shop's custom fabrication. Just as fellow scientists don't necessarily share their methods as they strive to find cures and develop new medical procedures, professional tuners do not share their methods with each other and/or their customers. I'm sure that there are exceptions to this and certainly everyone has a right to do what they wish with their knowledge.

The other thing that we have to consider in this type of conversation is the true nature of car modifications and the aftermarket in general. Once we begin disassembling and re-engineering what car manufacturers have put into our vehicles, we are getting into uncharted territory. We, as car owners, and professional tuners/builders/fabricators, strive to improve vehicles and make them better suited to specific driving styles. Sometimes, in doing so, we have to push the envelope to see what may happen with a car. Watch any tuning show or read any tuning-oriented magazine and you'll see that the biggest names in tuning sometimes break things. It's just the nature of the business. It comes from pushing the envelope. We push the envelope on OUR OWN cars so that we can safely improve performance on our customers' cars without having to push the envelope of the unknown. In the end, as long as the work we have done on our customers' vehicles is safe and satisfies the expectations we have established with our customers, we are happy. That, however, doesn't mean that a customer may not go out to try to get more performance out of his vehicle, with us, or with another tuner. The search for performance never ends.

In regards to the data log you are referring to. I have just spoken to John (JJ18Sniper) whose data log you have. The data log taken from his vehicle was done when the vehicle was not a 100% and had idle problems along with a dip in the higher rpm's. We addressed this situation and now the vehicle currently is running at full potential. Any other information you are looking for or need will be found on his journal. This is were this situation regarding the dip was handled.

If anyone reading would like to discuss tuning with me one to one, please call me @ my shop, 914 381 5460. I'd be happy to discuss your car's configuration and what we may to do improve performance.

-Rob

Belial · 02-16-2007, 08:32 AM

very lawyer-esque.

RainMaker · 02-16-2007, 09:01 AM

Rob-

A good start... I understand your liability. I'm in the business of liability

That aside, I do not believe that you would lose a single client if you had an honest conversation about tuning techniques.
Those of us that tune our own cars do so with a huge leap of faith in our own abilities and our tools. Yet even a casual observer can see that a tuner with good experience and the right tools (Pro-tuning software instead of what we have... dynos... diagnostic and measurement stuff) could do a significantly more thorough job than we could. I don't believe that any of your potential customers would come on here, see that you have had a strong and intelligent participation in tuning dialogs ( what you say you would do if you could ), and decide to do it themselves.

Do you disagree? Do you believe that discussions on specific tuning topics (not "How I tune in an hour") would lose you market share?

**AutoMaster** · 02-16-2007, 09:49 AM

Rain, I don't necessarily disagree with what you say, however, it's just my position not to divulge my specific tuning methodology to the forums @ large. Some of my regular customers, with whom I have trusted one-on-one relationships, know how I do things. They're my personal friends and I know that the knowledge I pass to them remains with them. I do certainly wish the DIY tuners the best of luck in tuning their vehicles. Certainly, were I not in the biz, I'd be trying to do it myself as well. As I stated, I welcome anyone who would like to talk to me directly to call me @ 914 381 5460.

-Rob

redlites99 · 02-19-2007, 02:30 PM

Hey there all! I've got nothing but great things to say about the guy's at AMR! They really know their business! Thanks to them I have a complete animal in a WRX. I was completely stoked when I came into the shop after having my ride tuned. I got my Dynometer read out and I was amazed, 292AWP on a WRX! In fact, I think I still hold the record for the most power to come out of the AMR shop with a WRX... Although, now its time for a new clutch... Too much power for the old stock jammer! i'm surprised it held up this long - lol.

If anyone knows where I can pick up an STI with a blown motor I would appreciate an email. I want to have my boyz at AMR build me a real screamer!

The long of the short is AMR rocks!

uncle lewie · 02-19-2007, 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redlites99

Hey there all! I've got nothing but great things to say about the guy's at AMR! They really know their business! Thanks to them I have a complete animal in a WRX. I was completely stoked when I came into the shop after having my ride tuned. I got my Dynometer read out and I was amazed, 292AWP on a WRX! In fact, I think I still hold the record for the most power to come out of the AMR shop with a WRX... Although, now its time for a new clutch... Too much power for the old stock jammer! i'm surprised it held up this long - lol.

If anyone knows where I can pick up an STI with a blown motor I would appreciate an email. I want to have my boyz at AMR build me a real screamer!

The long of the short is AMR rocks!

What turbo are you running on the wrx? no way your making that power on the td04

Ray_Sti · 02-25-2007, 08:48 PM

As far as my experience with AMR, its been nothing but extremely pleasant. Rob is doing a GT52 tune on the car, and gave me a full run down on what all was required, along with precautions, safety features etc.. I baby my car, and he respected that, and I left the car at his shop with FULL CONFIDENCE. I've been to a few of the best tuning shops (XX, TopSpeed, Buschar, AMS) and AMR is right up there with them for being professional n having a top notch customer service.

I'll be picking up my car from them soon, and will review the tune.

OT: Rob, send me pm with an update on the car if u can... i'll pick her up on 1st march.

cpunlamd · 05-02-2008, 04:58 PM

AMR's dyno tunes are competative in the Subaru community both in quality and price.

But their labor rate on everything else is CRAZY high!

02-14-2007, 05:22 AM	#31
RiftsWRX STI Driver Car: '02 WRX/'07 FIT Location: Glendale Heights, IL Posts: 238 Join Date: Mar 2004 Trader Rating: (0)	That's my attitude I've always taught in any of my tuning classes. The analogy is simple. You've been given a BIG toolbox of tools. Now, you can go grab a book from Bob Villa and build a house in a cookie cut order. Or you can grab a different book from Norm Abrahms and build that same house in a completely different way. Who was right? Who was wrong? Doesn't matter. That's the point I always beat into people's heads. Tuning is 3 parts art, one part science. The subjective nature of how the individual tuner defines his craft is for him to critique, no one else. Does the method of tuning work for the application? Can you get faithful and repeatable results in all manners of driving that do not just include WOT? Yes? Then be down with your bad self! That's all that matters in the end. I have tons of people rent our dyno to do work, and I get to see every once in a while what their ideology is for tuning. In some cases I completely agree, in others I bite my tongue VERY hard sometimes. But I am no one to judge. I have my way of doing it, it seems to work quite well from what I've been told. So I'll continue to evolve and view emerging technologies at the pace that I've defined for myself. A good thing for all budding tuners to remember themselves. It's your car, do what YOU see fit, take everything else with a hefty grain of salt. Cheers! This ad is not endorsed by this member. Please register or login to hide this ad.

02-19-2007, 02:30 PM	#37
redlites99 Lurker Posts: 1 Join Date: Feb 2007 Trader Rating: (0)	Fast WRX Hey there all! I've got nothing but great things to say about the guy's at AMR! They really know their business! Thanks to them I have a complete animal in a WRX. I was completely stoked when I came into the shop after having my ride tuned. I got my Dynometer read out and I was amazed, 292AWP on a WRX! In fact, I think I still hold the record for the most power to come out of the AMR shop with a WRX... Although, now its time for a new clutch... Too much power for the old stock jammer! i'm surprised it held up this long - lol. If anyone knows where I can pick up an STI with a blown motor I would appreciate an email. I want to have my boyz at AMR build me a real screamer! The long of the short is AMR rocks!

05-02-2008, 04:58 PM	#40
cpunlamd Professional STI Racer Car: 07 WRX STI Fav Mod: Matching Dead Pedal Location: Wayne, NJ Posts: 634 Join Date: Jun 2007 Trader Rating: (0)	Re: Rob @ AMR (Automaster Of Westchester Dot Com) AMR's dyno tunes are competative in the Subaru community both in quality and price. But their labor rate on everything else is CRAZY high! This ad is not endorsed by this member. Please register or login to hide this ad.

02-16-2007, 08:27 AM	#33
AutoMaster Authorized Vendor Car: Where Real Power is Fav Mod: Tuning & Performance Location: Mamaroneck, NY 10543 Posts: 568 Join Date: May 2005 Trader Rating: (0)	Guys, This conversation and others like it will continue as long as more people strive to unlock the potential of their cars through modifications and tuning. I sincerely appreciate the passion that has developed in the aftermarket community for ecu tuning, however, participating in conversations and threads like this is inherently difficult for me because I am a business person as well as a tuner. If I were a DIY tuner, I'd be happy to share all of my knowledge with the community at large. However, I'm a business owner with a significant investment in equipment and overhead which I support with my tuning and my shop's custom fabrication. Just as fellow scientists don't necessarily share their methods as they strive to find cures and develop new medical procedures, professional tuners do not share their methods with each other and/or their customers. I'm sure that there are exceptions to this and certainly everyone has a right to do what they wish with their knowledge. The other thing that we have to consider in this type of conversation is the true nature of car modifications and the aftermarket in general. Once we begin disassembling and re-engineering what car manufacturers have put into our vehicles, we are getting into uncharted territory. We, as car owners, and professional tuners/builders/fabricators, strive to improve vehicles and make them better suited to specific driving styles. Sometimes, in doing so, we have to push the envelope to see what may happen with a car. Watch any tuning show or read any tuning-oriented magazine and you'll see that the biggest names in tuning sometimes break things. It's just the nature of the business. It comes from pushing the envelope. We push the envelope on OUR OWN cars so that we can safely improve performance on our customers' cars without having to push the envelope of the unknown. In the end, as long as the work we have done on our customers' vehicles is safe and satisfies the expectations we have established with our customers, we are happy. That, however, doesn't mean that a customer may not go out to try to get more performance out of his vehicle, with us, or with another tuner. The search for performance never ends. In regards to the data log you are referring to. I have just spoken to John (JJ18Sniper) whose data log you have. The data log taken from his vehicle was done when the vehicle was not a 100% and had idle problems along with a dip in the higher rpm's. We addressed this situation and now the vehicle currently is running at full potential. Any other information you are looking for or need will be found on his journal. This is were this situation regarding the dip was handled. If anyone reading would like to discuss tuning with me one to one, please call me @ my shop, 914 381 5460. I'd be happy to discuss your car's configuration and what we may to do improve performance. -Rob

02-16-2007, 08:32 AM	#34
Belial Junior STI Driver Posts: 58 Join Date: May 2006 Trader Rating: (0)	very lawyer-esque.

02-16-2007, 09:01 AM	#35
RainMaker The Next Petter Solberg Car: 08 Z06 Corvette Fav Mod: Jack Jack Location: Portland, OR Posts: 883 Join Date: Oct 2005 Trader Rating: (3)	Rob- A good start... I understand your liability. I'm in the business of liability That aside, I do not believe that you would lose a single client if you had an honest conversation about tuning techniques. Those of us that tune our own cars do so with a huge leap of faith in our own abilities and our tools. Yet even a casual observer can see that a tuner with good experience and the right tools (Pro-tuning software instead of what we have... dynos... diagnostic and measurement stuff) could do a significantly more thorough job than we could. I don't believe that any of your potential customers would come on here, see that you have had a strong and intelligent participation in tuning dialogs ( what you say you would do if you could ), and decide to do it themselves. Do you disagree? Do you believe that discussions on specific tuning topics (not "How I tune in an hour") would lose you market share?

02-16-2007, 09:49 AM	#36
AutoMaster Authorized Vendor Car: Where Real Power is Fav Mod: Tuning & Performance Location: Mamaroneck, NY 10543 Posts: 568 Join Date: May 2005 Trader Rating: (0)	Rain, I don't necessarily disagree with what you say, however, it's just my position not to divulge my specific tuning methodology to the forums @ large. Some of my regular customers, with whom I have trusted one-on-one relationships, know how I do things. They're my personal friends and I know that the knowledge I pass to them remains with them. I do certainly wish the DIY tuners the best of luck in tuning their vehicles. Certainly, were I not in the biz, I'd be trying to do it myself as well. As I stated, I welcome anyone who would like to talk to me directly to call me @ 914 381 5460. -Rob

02-25-2007, 08:48 PM	#39
Ray_Sti Grassroots STI Racer Car: 05 WRX STi CGM Fav Mod: Element GT52 Location: Northeast Posts: 563 Join Date: Mar 2006 Trader Rating: (0)	As far as my experience with AMR, its been nothing but extremely pleasant. Rob is doing a GT52 tune on the car, and gave me a full run down on what all was required, along with precautions, safety features etc.. I baby my car, and he respected that, and I left the car at his shop with FULL CONFIDENCE. I've been to a few of the best tuning shops (XX, TopSpeed, Buschar, AMS) and AMR is right up there with them for being professional n having a top notch customer service. I'll be picking up my car from them soon, and will review the tune. OT: Rob, send me pm with an update on the car if u can... i'll pick her up on 1st march.