[Chris05STi]

Originally Posted by uncle lewie

Actually, you can over do it by spending to much $ and having absolutely no balance. It isnt about how many parts or how much money is spent, but about how each part works with other parts you put on as well and ultimately their quality.

However, this isnt the time nor the place to discuss what works and what doesn't.

That is true.....it is also true if you make the smart choice in replacing the stock parts with better, stronger aftermarket parts as well. Its smart and easier to go for some aftermarket parts to work with stock parts, but it def gets harder when you replace most of everything with aftermarket parts and have all them work perfectly with eacother. You did a great job on having the stock parts work with the aftermarket parts!

[silverex]

Originally Posted by uncle lewie

Its called the stock turbo.

I agree that the power is going to drop off uptop but it does seem a lil excessive for your setup......maybe it time to get a intake??. If you take a look at my dyno graphs I dont have such a big drop and iam on the stock cat back which is def killing my top end.

Either way i bet its a blast to drive but you might want to think about getting a cai

[uncle lewie]

Do you have a pic of your graph without all the different lines and correction changes?

[silverex]

No thats the only one. Just ignore the black ones and look at the other two. The higher one is what it would put down on a dynojet, but with either cr it still holds power longer. Its hard to see what you put down at redline on your graph but just from peak hp to 6k you lose over 20whp+. W/ a ewg and all your other mods you would think that it hold power uptop better then that......my guess is the intake its holding you back a lil

[TheDocta]

Originally Posted by silverex

No thats the only one. Just ignore the black ones and look at the other two. The higher one is what it would put down on a dynojet, but with either cr it still holds power longer. Its hard to see what you put down at redline on your graph but just from peak hp to 6k you lose over 20whp+. W/ a ewg and all your other mods you would think that it hold power uptop better then that......my guess is the intake its holding you back a lil

it is expected to see cai's make a little more power around 5.5k rpm and up because that is where they actually have an effect, before that the stock air box is just as good if not better

i would bet that he has a slight power drop due to the stock air box and because the tune probably has boost dropping a little bit earlier to be on the safe side

[silverex]

^I doubt it was tuned to drop boost early to be on the safe side......its just what happens.
Other then that i agree with you

[John@Precision]

Originally Posted by silverex

^I doubt it was tuned to drop boost early to be on the safe side......its just what happens.
Other then that i agree with you

Well, you are both right....in a way. Boost does taper, and at this level the intake is not as much as a problem as the intercooler is. Unfortunately, on the dyno the car will pull -2 degrees from the DA in a cascading effect(I can get into this further if anyone wants to,,,,in another thread) after a few pulls. This really hurts the power up top. This is completely gone on the street. Forexample, I may only be able to run 22degrees up top for 2 or three runs, then it will get hot and...well you get the idea.

Also, with the stock airbox, I tend not to limit the compensation tables as much as I would with an intake. Forexample, at 212deg...coolant, the ECU will pull -2.11 degrees....or if the intake exceeds .80g/rev and 147deg...other factors(-correction) come into play. On the street, I can avoid these compensations due to the increased cooling/airflow.... I may be a little off topic but you get the idea.

I would say, I really like the stock airbox for cars under 350+ HP. It just works really well. AIT stay in the 70's...whereas an intake may see 140+. I would agree, the power does fall off a bit up top... but it is really hot at that point. To be honest, I tend to fine tune on the street too, so if the car wants it,,,,I may add more timing/boost when the car sees true loads on the street.

I am really over-simplifing here and would love to really get into the tune, but noone likes to read a novel...LOL If anyone gas specific questions, I am always willing to talk.

John

[BWG]

I said that because mine only lost 25whp on the stock turbo at redline.

[silverex]

As do i^....and we both have intakes.

[paikman]

So I guess this kind of sums up is EWG worth it on stock turbo? That drop off matches almost exactly on my VF48.
Numbers look good though, i bet the car is fun on the street.

[uncle lewie]

Originally Posted by paikman

So I guess this kind of sums up is EWG worth it on stock turbo? That drop off matches almost exactly on my VF48.
Numbers look good though, i bet the car is fun on the street.

Car is an animal on the street. The ewg is worth it because I dont want to deal with fuel cut/boost creep etc on the stock iwg with a catless turboback.

Will probably add more to this setup in the future and get re-tuned.

[neverendingmods]

When you going to the track?

[uncle lewie]

Originally Posted by neverendingmods

When you going to the track?

Hopefully not this friday but the next friday.


Gotta make it through finals first....

[Redline927]

Originally Posted by paikman

So I guess this kind of sums up is EWG worth it on stock turbo? That drop off matches almost exactly on my VF48.
Numbers look good though, i bet the car is fun on the street.

Read John's reply. The power drop off has nothing to do with the EWG. He is running the stock TMIC which gets hot = pulled timing on the dyno after a few back to back runs (not evident on street with air flow). As Jordon (OP) stated as well, it IS the stock turbo which has never been known to be a monster up top.

an external gate will benefit any setup, stock turbo or not (although you will see more gains with a bigger turbo). yeah, I'd say its worth it.

Jordon, grudge match? Etown, me vs. you. haha

[uncle lewie]

Originally Posted by Redline927

Read John's reply. The power drop off has nothing to do with the EWG. He is running the stock TMIC which gets hot = pulled timing on the dyno after a few back to back runs (not evident on street with air flow). As Jordon (OP) stated as well, it IS the stock turbo which has never been known to be a monster up top.

an external gate will benefit any setup, stock turbo or not (although you will see more gains with a bigger turbo). yeah, I'd say its worth it.

Jordon, grudge match? Etown, me vs. you. haha

Bro lets do it. I definetely need to run the car now asap.