[Turbineguy]

While I definitely agree that Nick deserves alot more than what he got there seems to be a band wagon thing going on. This guy was in the military for a while and having been in for 14 years now in two branches of service I know for a fact that he was lectured prior to nearly every weekend about seatbelts and had to go through frequent safety briefings about traffic fatalities so he should have known to wear a seatbelt. Both of them are responsible for the end result. That being said I feel the ultimate responsibility is on the parents for setting the stage for this goat screw. There are far too many responsible 16-18yo kids that I still wouldn't trust with my wife's new Jetta let alone something with 800hp. And to allow him to drive something like that with a previous track record of irresponsibility just baffles me. Money and fame should not exempt someone from common sense and responsibility but it seems to be the case now days. Just look at the whole Paris Hilton saga for proof of that.

[Tortfeasor STi]

Originally Posted by Turbineguy

While I definitely agree that Nick deserves alot more than what he got there seems to be a band wagon thing going on. This guy was in the military for a while and having been in for 14 years now in two branches of service I know for a fact that he was lectured prior to nearly every weekend about seatbelts and had to go through frequent safety briefings about traffic fatalities so he should have known to wear a seatbelt. Both of them are responsible for the end result. That being said I feel the ultimate responsibility is on the parents for setting the stage for this goat screw. There are far too many responsible 16-18yo kids that I still wouldn't trust with my wife's new Jetta let alone something with 800hp. And to allow him to drive something like that with a previous track record of irresponsibility just baffles me. Money and fame should not exempt someone from common sense and responsibility but it seems to be the case now days. Just look at the whole Paris Hilton saga for proof of that.

The name of the cause of action is negligent entrustment. Its a civil common law claim against someone who entrusted something potentially dangerous to someone they had reason to believe would not behave responsibly with it. In this case giving a 800hp Supra to a kid with a bad track record could well qualify. I am assuming though that as I posted earlier, that the parents of the vegetable settled with the Hogans and their insurance for a lot of money.

[jermdeez]

You all are aware that hogans wife was having them video tape as she proceeded to do some street racing just a few minutes before this wreck happened......

it was the whole family supporting and partaking it this!


Way to go hogan you washed up loser. You are just lucky you've been able to hold onto your money this long or you would have been out long ago, hogans reality show is the "look how ****ing dumb and sad these celebs are 10 yrs later)

uncool take that video down.

[fullerton]

Originally Posted by jermdeez

it was the whole family supporting and partaking it this!

I don't doubt it.

But would you hold a liquor store owner responsible for someone who purchased alcohol form him and drove drunk, even if he knew they customer was going to drink to excess?

Remember, the owner did not know the customer would drink AND drive, he only knew that he would drink. Just as the parents did not think their kid would crash, just that he would drive a fast car.

I just don't see the point in blaming everyone. Especially if an adult has already been punished for it. (Even if the punishment was way too lenient).

[Late]

what irks me is you have Nick Hogan in jail, whining and crying about being locked up in a cell that's smaller than his bathroom, and this Graziano kid is traped in that body/mind (what's left of it) for the rest of his life, however long that is. If it were my son or a family member that happened to, Nick Hogan would be lucky to not catch a bullet.

[fourseasonsandles]

Originally Posted by Tortfeasor STi

As far as holding parents responsible for the actions of their kids, a whole lot more goes into it then just age. Too much to report here. However, in this case, I am assuming that the Hogan family and their insurance carrier reached a nice quiet settlement with the parents of the kid who is now a vegetable. In cases where rich kids screw up like this, there is always a large insurance policy protecting the family assets. Its one of the many reasons that most states require you to carry insurance, so that anyone you injure can be properly compensated. Where problems arise is when the damages exceed the value of the insurance policy. So usually people work with their lawyers to settle within the payout range of the insurance so as not to have to go through extended litigation actually getting payment.

I would imagine their auto policy offered their limits right away. Then I can only assume that the Hogan family had some sort of Umbrella policy to cover the rest. That only goes for the auto claim though. I have no idea how the actual civil case is handled or if their estate is still up for grabs.

Originally Posted by Turbineguy

While I definitely agree that Nick deserves alot more than what he got there seems to be a band wagon thing going on. This guy was in the military for a while and having been in for 14 years now in two branches of service I know for a fact that he was lectured prior to nearly every weekend about seatbelts and had to go through frequent safety briefings about traffic fatalities so he should have known to wear a seatbelt. Both of them are responsible for the end result. That being said I feel the ultimate responsibility is on the parents for setting the stage for this goat screw. There are far too many responsible 16-18yo kids that I still wouldn't trust with my wife's new Jetta let alone something with 800hp. And to allow him to drive something like that with a previous track record of irresponsibility just baffles me. Money and fame should not exempt someone from common sense and responsibility but it seems to be the case now days. Just look at the whole Paris Hilton saga for proof of that.

While I agree with you that John should have had his seatbelt on and can be held somewhat responsible for some of his own injuries, he cant be responsible for the crash. I am not too familiar with FL V&T Law, but there is no assumed risk for not having your seatbelt on. It is similar to NH. We cant put liability on someone for not having their seatbelt on in NH, but when it comes time to settle their bodily injury claim, it will have an effect on the value of the claim. Just a guesstimate of maybe 5-10%. Not a whole lot.

Even if John was egging Nick on to race the other driver, No one had a gun to Nicks head to make him do what he did. And unless John grabbed the wheel of the car, he has 0% liability on him for the actual crash.

That said and the insurance side of me shutting down; my personal opinion: I totally agree that John had some responsibility on him for getting into a car with a 17 y/o kid that had alcohol in his system, a bad driving record and not wearing his seatbelt. I DO FEEL that there is an assumed risk in this situation. Although the law may not say so, I personally feel that some of the blame is on him.

Oh yeah, IIRC, Nick was tried as an adult.

[VSGTS14]

ridiculous and ****ing sad, that's terrible..they should put him to sleep, why even have someone live like that? it's torture.

[GhoSStRyda]

Originally Posted by fullerton

I have a feeling it was put there to show what Nick really did.

i think you're on to something... i didn't know how bad the "brain damage" was until i saw the video... hes missing part of his brain for god sakes!!!! i feel so bad for graziano... hes undead as torque had put it... its hard for me to believe that someone in that condition can come back...

i am a fan of hulk hogan but totally think their family is f'ed up from watching some of their reality show. nick is definitely on prevliedged kid that deserves nothing less than what he got, in fact, he deserves more time in jail for his recklessness... that f'ing d'bag maybe he'll get some jailhouse justice...

[COEHSP]

poor guy and poor Supra

The Supra had a fully built engine w/ HKS twin turbo set up(a.k.a. BALLER STATUS) making 800hp with a TRD widebody kit.


.......not anymore....




I think its as much as John's fault as it is Nicks......think about it.....If your friend had a 800hp Supra and a Viper next to it at a stop light, im shure your not going to be telling your friend "don't race", he should've been wearing his seatbelt when riding in any 800hp car, its COMMON SENSE.


at least he didn't wreck his Green Supra.....then i would've been bummed.

[VROOM293]

OMG...Man that is GNARLY! Im getting my air bag sensor fixed asap.
I have 3 rules in my STi...#1 is ''IF my pas. isnt belted we dont go''!

[VROOM293]

People are correct on the anger towards nick BUT.
1- Always 2 sides to every story and then the truth.
2- Getting locked up @ 17 for first time is a tough stretch.I was locked up for defending my life @ 16[dismissed] and it was pure hell every min.So remember that this punk is a baby punk.
A spoiled product of parents.

[fullerton]

Originally Posted by VROOM293

People are correct on the anger towards nick BUT.
1- Always 2 sides to every story and then the truth.
2- Getting locked up @ 17 for first time is a tough stretch.I was locked up for defending my life @ 16[dismissed] and it was pure hell every min.So remember that this punk is a baby punk.
A spoiled product of parents.

Not sue if it helped you straighten out (assuming you were on the wrong course) but I sure as hell hope the Nick understands what has occurred and learns from this.

And helps care for Graziano.

[VROOM293]

HI Fullerton,My parents came here [u.s] to teach at kent state in ohio.3 red necks came at me when i was alone at a wendys and started in on my ethnicity.
I walked outside,they came at me .One kid had a bat that he pulled from a car.
I pulled the bat away from him as i was getting punched by the other 2.When i got that bat the 2 that were punching me ran about 50 yards away from me as i was striking the 3rd guy to the point of no return.

Did it straighten me out? well ill say this ''It turned a good innocent kid into something
a bit different''.I got a grip[professional help] on not wanting to kill all white people around the early 90s.Considering i look white,my best friends were/are white it was a rough time.

[RUGBY]

Originally Posted by COEHSP

at least he didn't wreck his Green Supra.....then i would've been bummed.