[boxtwo]

Originally Posted by WRX4ME LE 482

I didnt catch exactly what happened, but Im guessing he T-boned her. Maybe she was crossing the road, or pulling onto it and he expected her not to. Old people do things like that.

They were traveling in opposite directions, he took the corner before the straight wide. Glancing head-on.

[arkleseizure]

Originally Posted by WRX4ME LE 482

There are many of us who like to drive fast to extremely fast on occasion. Key is to do it very carefully. Intersections are not the place.

It's called a track. The key is NOT to do it places where there are thousands of chances to be surprised...at 134 MPH. Sam Peltzman when you need him?

I'm really sickened by these "rationalizing" posts. And the frequency with which the amazingly insecure human ego overpowers any basic sense.

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Wow, so if he was doing 134 and hit her head on while she was driving the speed limit that would make this a 200MPH crash!! Does anyone know if that's how it happened? This isn't an STI. If it were it would have better tires, better suspension and better brakes. Depending on how this happened it might have been the difference between crashing and not crashing. A WRX does indeed need to make wider turns going 134MPH. Then again, if he was in an STI he could have been doing 150MPH which would have made it even worse.

[twigg107]

sad....

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Originally Posted by arkleseizure

It's called a track. The key is NOT to do it places where there are thousands of chances to be surprised...at 134 MPH. Sam Peltzman when you need him?

I'm really sickened by these "rationalizing" posts. And the frequency with which the amazingly insecure human ego overpowers any basic sense.

Or a properly designed highway. In Germany and formally in Italy drivers go way faster than 134MPH safely every day. Not only do they do it safely, they do it more safely than we drive 65MPH. Doing this on a 2 lane road with no center divider and taking turns out of your lane is obviously a recipe for disaster. This is another case of a dumb driver. If you cannot stay in your lane you are going too fast. This does not mean that going 134+ is only safe on a track though.

[johnlude85]

i feel for the family, and im sorry the guy at fault had to go and do something so stupid...but come on, did this really need to be said? "Street racing is becoming a major problem" . was he racing or just driving like an ass? court and police always turn it into this, and these are just more reasons why my car insurance is rediculously expensive just because of owning this car.

[Halogene]

I think many of you are missing the point. It doesn't matter if it was a WRX or an STi. Doesn't even matter if it was a Subaru. On the public roads, things are unpredictable, and anyone who thinks they are in total control going >100mph is over confident, not only of themselves but of the drivers around you. That's what kills. Want to test your skills? Keep it on the track.

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Originally Posted by Halogene

I think many of you are missing the point. It doesn't matter if it was a WRX or an STi. Doesn't even matter if it was a Subaru. On the public roads, things are unpredictable, and anyone who thinks they are in total control going >100mph is over confident, not only of themselves but of the drivers around you. That's what kills. Want to test your skills? Keep it on the track.

Not sure if you read my post, but if you did you missed my point. Modern cars can safely drive over 150MPH on public roads, and they do it every day just not in America. This guy was clearly doing something unsafe and unintelligent. He was going too fast for the road he was on, too fast for the car he was driving and too fast for his driving ability. Does that mean that ALL drivers can't drive safely at speed on ALL public roads everywhere? Of course not! He wasn't even in his lane. He could have been driving 25MPH and this still would have been an unsafe situation.

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Originally Posted by johnlude85

i feel for the family, and im sorry the guy at fault had to go and do something so stupid...but come on, did this really need to be said? "Street racing is becoming a major problem" . was he racing or just driving like an ass? court and police always turn it into this, and these are just more reasons why my car insurance is rediculously expensive just because of owning this car.

I agree. These idiots who watch too much fast and furious and then go out and try to drift into on coming traffic are the real problem. I am an advocate for driving fast where it's safe. I think most of our speed limits are very out dated. My gf and I were almost killed by stupid kids in rice rockets driving on a mountain road. This was because they were in the wrong lane around a blind corner. They very nearly hit us head on. It was not the speed that made the situation dangerous though. It was the fact that they were in the wrong lane. Bad drivers are the real problem. Unfortunately a lot of them are kids who play need for speed and have parents with enough money to buy them STIs. It's unfortunate we have to pay higher insurance for other people's stupidity.

[Rootus]

Originally Posted by WRX4ME LE 482

I dont believe it can be called murder. People do risky, stupid things everyday that can possibly kill others but that was never the intent,and I doubt it looked like a terribly unsafe activity before he decided to do it.

Even a modified WRX will take long enough to get to 135 that common sense should kick in. It's one thing to romp on the gas for a few seconds, it's a whole different thing to hold down the gas long enough to get to 135. If your brain isn't starting to yell "enough is enough" by the time you cross 100, then you're not fit to have a license. We've all done stupid things, but 135 is a whole different ballgame from even 100 mph.

Personally, I think he got off easy. And I sure hope that when he's allowed to drive again he dosen't choose another Subaru.

Maybe she was crossing the road, or pulling onto it and he expected her not to. Old people do things like that.

OLD people do things like that??? You mean PEOPLE do things like that. Even if she did pull out in front of him, it was 100% his fault. She had every right to assume nobody would be coming down that road at 135 mph.

There are many of us who like to drive fast to extremely fast on occasion. Key is to do it very carefully. Intersections are not the place.

Public roads are not the place, period. We don't design roads in America to handle 135 mph traffic. The autobahn has very specific design features that allow people to drive fast in relative safety.

[sujak]

deserves more time behind bars IMO, 5 years per victim, 15years total. with 15 probation

[snorky]

Originally Posted by sujak

deserves more time behind bars IMO, 5 years per victim, 15years total. with 15 probation

only one person was killed

[WRX4ME LE 482]

Originally Posted by Rootus

Even a modified WRX will take long enough to get to 135 that common sense should kick in. It's one thing to romp on the gas for a few seconds, it's a whole different thing to hold down the gas long enough to get to 135. If your brain isn't starting to yell "enough is enough" by the time you cross 100, then you're not fit to have a license. We've all done stupid things, but 135 is a whole different ballgame from even 100 mph.

I agree. The amount of time it took him to get to that speed was far more than he shouldve spent at those speeds.

Originally Posted by Rootus

OLD people do things like that??? You mean PEOPLE do things like that. Even if she did pull out in front of him, it was 100% his fault. She had every right to assume nobody would be coming down that road at 135 mph.

Yes old people. Sometimes they will sit for a while, look both ways. Sit some more, look both ways again. Keep sitting... This kind of thing would lead you to believe (at whatever speed youre going) that they are waiting till you pass. Then they will suddenly pull out on you. People of all walks of life do things like this, but old people do it far more.

Im not sure what type of road this is, but if it's less than 4 lanes, I agree with everybody. 4 or above and I think you just gotta be very careful.

Ankleseizure, you sickened by rationalizing posts? What all this comes down to is opinion. It's your opinion that this is totally stupid, and mine that it depends on the situation. Though (believe it or not), I rarely exceed 100, I just dont feel 130 is very fast. Of course, Ive always been on open 4+ lane highways when I did it.

IMHO, situations like this are very frequently taken completely out of context. One man getting in a wreck at 130 is not necessarily the same as another.

[WRX4ME LE 482]

Oh yea, "street racing is becoming a major problem"? Is it really any worse than it's ever been, or is this just one of those statements people like to throw around when others get killed?

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Originally Posted by Rootus

Public roads are not the place, period. We don't design roads in America to handle 135 mph traffic. The autobahn has very specific design features that allow people to drive fast in relative safety.

You are right about the roads being better there, but the main reason it is safer to drive in Germany at 140MPH than it is to drive in the US at 65MPH comes down to the drivers themselves. In America any idiot can get a driver's license. You don't have to know how to drive properly here, and the vast majority of Americans don't know how to drive properly. This is the only place on earth where most people buy automatics and care more about things like DVD players and cup holders than performance and safety. Sure, the roads are better in Germany, but so are the drivers, the cars, the police and traffic laws. In America we certainly could drive significantly faster safely with existing roads if the system was modernized.