[Mykl]

I'm not trying to call anybody a moron, I'm just trying to give the best advice I can give based on the experiences I've had and the things I've seen.

An STi is a whole lot more difficult to hurt yourself with than a GSX-R 1000. It's a whole lot more difficult to get an STi out of control completely on accident. A liter supersport is not a forgiving machine, if you think about looking at it the wrong way it'll kick you in the teeth and break your back.

You are right though, buy what you want and what you can afford. It's your money. But I don't feel that I'm providing valuable advice if I'm not at least answering the question in a way that I feel is honest.

[Mi_Black_Pearl]

Originally Posted by Mykl

I'm not trying to call anybody a moron, I'm just trying to give the best advice I can give based on the experiences I've had and the things I've seen.

An STi is a whole lot more difficult to hurt yourself with than a GSX-R 1000. It's a whole lot more difficult to get an STi out of control completely on accident. A liter supersport is not a forgiving machine, if you think about looking at it the wrong way it'll kick you in the teeth and break your back.

i never started to compare an sti to a gsx-r tho did i?-lol (btw, im not looking at the 1000's)...thats like comparing apples to oranges so ur only stating the obvious...again, as with cars to cars, bikes to bikes...rather than driver to driver or rider to rider...or in the case you represented, car to bike, that's all completely different topics..im looking for bikes to bikes...

[Mykl]

Originally Posted by Mi_Black_Pearl

i never started to compare an sti to a gsx-r tho did i?-lol (btw, im not looking at the 1000's)...thats like comparing apples to oranges so ur only stating the obvious...again, as with cars to cars, bikes to bikes...rather than driver to driver or rider to rider...or in the case you represented, car to bike, that's all completely different topics..im looking for bikes to bikes...

What's wrong with comparing apples to oranges?

Why would I want to compare apples to apples? Sounds like a pretty boring comparision since you're comparing two identical objects.

The point I was trying to make, is that maybe people aren't recommending bikes that aren't supersports has less to do with the fact that they're poor street vehicles and more to do with the fact that they're very hazardous to your health if you don't know what you're getting yourself into.

[Mi_Black_Pearl]

Originally Posted by Mykl

What's wrong with comparing apples to oranges?

Why would I want to compare apples to apples? Sounds like a pretty boring comparision since you're comparing two identical objects.

The point I was trying to make, is that maybe people aren't recommending bikes that aren't supersports has less to do with the fact that they're poor street vehicles and more to do with the fact that they're very hazardous to your health if you don't know what you're getting yourself into.

because im not in the market for comparing an sti to a streetbike...im looking at streetbikes only...i have my sti already......so in this case, apples to apples comparison, boring or not...just like the differences with the sti to an evo, there are the differences between streetbikes as well my friend...

but i know exactly what your talking about with the statement of them being hazardous to your health if you dont know what you're getting yourself into (but thats considering the rider and not necessarily the bikes)

[Mykl]

But you brought up the STi first? I was just responding to that...

[Mi_Black_Pearl]

???...i was only making a point man...that's all...refer back to the post

[viperguy]

Originally Posted by Mi_Black_Pearl

im appreciating the tips and advice so far, however, i think some of the ideas are starting to get somewhat controversial here...i really didnt mean to stir anything here in this thread which can really occur when the actual rider is considered over the ride itself...just like looking at the driver over the car...a person makes up the rider or driver, and let that person be, we all have to be different right? a person chooses his or her path, but enough philosophy...just as with our car considered to be somewhat a street nemesis (and more appropriate for rally or track) doesnt mean those who are mature and strong enough to control it cant appreciate out on the street....same deal with a sportbike...you wouldnt call us morons for driving our sti's out on the street now would ya? (exception to some out there who abuse it, obviously making the possibility existent due to the number of drivers out there-it's all proportional)...nonetheless, everything ends up coming out moderate, there are those who can handle it and those that cant, shame for those who cant and learn the hard way but thats just life...back to topic, it's the bikes that should be compared like the way we would compare our sti's to other related cars...if the sportbike was not to meant to be on the street, than neither is our sti

You are comparing apples to oranges. An STi does not throw you out the window when you make a slight mistake. Now you speak of being mature and what not but at the same time come on here saying "I'm new to this and I want a rocket ship to learn on". Which is no different then some 17yr old kid coming on here asking about buying a 997 GT2 for a first car.

Go buy a cheap 250 or 400 and learn to ride first. I don't know your money sitiuation but If your planning on going out and buying a bike with the banks money you are far from mature. When I was younger and worked for a motorcycle dealership I loved every dumb Sh1t that walked thru the door and bought his first bike on credit only to return months later with a laid down turd worth half as much trying to sell to pay down his loan loosing a ton of money.

Look at it like this:

New R6 $9,900
Gear $1,000
Insur $1,400
Extras $1,500

$13,800 out of pocket.

Now you lay it down

Deductible $1000
replace extras $750

Broken leg/ Hospital ... you decide riding is not for you.

Now you have $15500 into a crashed R6 that is worth maybe $7500.

[Wolverine 250R]

*edit* ^^ listen to the man, I wish I would have.

Originally Posted by Mi_Black_Pearl

im appreciating the tips and advice so far...

Yes, shame on me for being irresponsible. It is much easier to be irresponsible on a modern 600cc sportbike than the in an STi. A sportbike feels very tame at speeds near the speedlimit. And once you can ride kneedragging-low, anything less feels boring. Take it to the track on the weekend and be civilized on the street.

The reason that everyone lectures new riders is because we have been in your shoes and we realize it can happen to anyone. Everyone who is about to buy a sportbike believes "I'll be more responsible than those guys who went down and it won't happen to me." Once you taste the rush, good judgement goes out the window.

If you are going to get a 600: I always liked Honda's bikes, you can't go wrong with a CBR600RR or F4i. The Kawasaki's are great too and the 636 has more torque than the others. My favorite years for those are the '03-'04. Plus kawasaki seems more like the subaru of the bike world, while the suzuki community is more like the SRT-4 community.

You will lay the thing down, so buy used. Buy good leathers and wear them everytime you get on it.

[viperguy]

Originally Posted by Wolverine 250R

*edit* ^^ listen to the man, I wish I would have.



Yes, shame on me for being irresponsible. It is much easier to be irresponsible on a modern 600cc sportbike than the in an STi. A sportbike feels very tame at speeds near the speedlimit. And once you can ride kneedragging-low, anything less feels boring. Take it to the track on the weekend and be civilized on the street.

The reason that everyone lectures new riders is because we have been in your shoes and we realize it can happen to anyone. Everyone who is about to buy a sportbike believes "I'll be more responsible than those guys who went down and it won't happen to me." Once you taste the rush, good judgement goes out the window.

If you are going to get a 600: I always liked Honda's bikes, you can't go wrong with a CBR600RR or F4i. The Kawasaki's are great too and the 636 has more torque than the others. My favorite years for those are the '03-'04. Plus kawasaki seems more like the subaru of the bike world, while the suzuki community is more like the SRT-4 community.

You will lay the thing down, so buy used. Buy good leathers and wear them everytime you get on it.

Great story for ya.. Had this kid walk in one saturday (20ish) said he rode lots of motocross and bla bla bla "i'm mature and ****".. Bought the bike on credit.. I told him go with the zx-6r and he would be better off... his buddys talked him in to the 929 and off he went with his buddy plates to "get it home" becuase his insurance place didn't open back up until monday.

Police walked in 45 mins after he left saying the bike is coming back and he is off to the hospital. He didn't make it 2 miles until he tucked it into a turn and jumped off as it slamed the median at 55mph cracking the frame and motor.

Funny thing was myself(mechanic)and 2 salesman told the dummy the tires will be very slick for the first 50 miles or so. And he said no problem "I won't be going fast at all for the first month or so". I even rode it up and down the street to make sure it was a little bit scrubbed.

He came back 3 days later and a racer I knew gave him 1,500 for it. hahaha 5 miles on the speedo.

[vmaxlvrs]

Originally Posted by Mi_Black_Pearl

So I've just recently given up the sport of off-road racing/riding with my atv by selling it. I've been doing it for years and it was indeed hard for me to let go. But there's very little places to ride anymore here in the northeast coast, no time with being in college now and away from home, and gas prices skyrocketing thus all bringing the motorcycle idea i've had in mind for a while now to more of a reality at this moment. With all of that expeience in the past though, with an atv that is, I do feel pretty confident in getting the hang of it with a motorcycle. Although, I hear it's much harder to go from 4-wheeler to 2-wheeler rather than the vice versa order. Nonethless. for me and for all those in the same position of getting into motorcycle riding, would the guys with experience on here tell us the basics of getting into it and what kind of bike really suits for a beginner rider. I have in mind a 600cc, preferably used, to last for a year or two until it's outgrown, unless it's new and supreme for all my riding needs and desires. They say even a 600cc bike is at most used only to 75% of its full potential and the rest only capable for the track. So I wouldnt mind haning on to it for a while because im not looking to go tracking or racing it, just some daily driving and the occasional rides. I have sat on both a sportbike type and an upright position type bikes and still cant tell which i'd rather prefer yet. These are what I have in mind (2005 and/or newer):

Yamaha R6
Yamaha FZ6
Suzuki GSX-600R
Honda CBR600

Thanks for any advice guys!

If you want to be one more of the crowd then yes, gxrs, kx etc etc will do. If you want to be different go with a Yamaha V-max. All around awosome bike, and once you hit 6k rpms you better tuck in and hold on.

[viperguy]

Originally Posted by vmaxlvrs

If you want to be one more of the crowd then yes, gxrs, kx etc etc will do. If you want to be different go with a Yamaha V-max. All around awosome bike, and once you hit 6k rpms you better tuck in and hold on.

Since when does the crowd ride GXRS's and KX's?

A V-Max is a good bike if your 40yrs old and are scared to take turns.

Better hold on so the bikes screaming by don't suck you off....



j/k

[vmaxlvrs]

Originally Posted by viperguy

Since when does the crowd ride GXRS's and KX's?

A V-Max is a good bike if your 40yrs old and are scared to take turns.

Better hold on so the bikes screaming by don't suck you off....



j/k

Hey, hey, respect your elder will ya.....
YOu might want not be such a big mouth there son, and find out more about what a vmax can and can not do, i rode with gxrs, ducaties and other sports bikes and and deffinately did not pass me not even int eh twisties, so you need too learn how to be quite and do your research and even then dont ASSUME thing because you know what happens when you ASSume things rith.
Come here dady is going to spank you now.

[Wolverine 250R]

my dad has a v-max. its a very cool and unique bike. Up to 100 it was dead even with my '99 6r. after that I'd walk it. Its like a muscle car, it accelerates well, but thats about it. There is no way that beast would keep with a sportbike in the twisties, you just weren't riding with the right people.

[vmaxlvrs]

Originally Posted by Wolverine 250R

my dad has a v-max. its a very cool and unique bike. Up to 100 it was dead even with my '99 6r. after that I'd walk it. Its like a muscle car, it accelerates well, but thats about it. There is no way that beast would keep with a sportbike in the twisties, you just weren't riding with the right people.

Shhhhhh, dont say that.

[Mi_Black_Pearl]

damn guys take it easy alright. this isnt a dick measuring contest. first of all, im probably the most mature 20 year old you'll ever meet in your life. you dont know me, so dont go stating that i would be making a "irresponsible" or "moronic" move. i brought this thread up for a reason and that reason being to find a bike suitable for a somewhat beginner rider ok? yeah there are a lot of people out ther who make stupid mistakes but dont compare those people to me. i want to hear from those who actually have experience on these bikes compared to other bikes. with no relation to other riders. no im not looking to jump on a rocket, and no, im not necessarily saying i want the sportbike over the other types. i just want an overall picture of what the riders feel about the differences in them.

viperguy i jumped from a 50cc beginner's quad to a sport race 650cc one (because my dad surprised me with it seeing that i could i handle and believes in going big with everything so as to never tired of it later) now u might say ah well thats a quad, bla bla bla, but in the atv world, that's a huge jump expecially being that i wasnt even near 16 years old and had very lil experience still. i still managed to handle and control it and master it through time with absolutely no injuries or trouble other than for some minor with the police. eventually sold it and moved to the 450cc for certain reasons that i felt were necessary (to go for a lighter bike was one thing for sure). and again. im not comparing apples to oranges. (sti to streetbike) > not what this is about. i dont think a 250 or 400 is cutting it. i think 600 is the perfect number. and i never put any consideration into a 1000.

my biggest worry is other drivers out on the road if that takes consideration for deciding which bike