[1loudsti]

what is everyones opinion on this? ive been doing alot of research on both sides of this issue, i for one am 100% for it too bad the rest of WI isnt.

some of my reasons:
all the "thugs" already carry illegally so why cant law abiding citizens carry to protect themselves and their family

its my opinion that crime would go down because the robber wouldnt know who was carrying a weapon and who was not

i also believe in having a fee and a certification for it so the people legally carrying are responsible and would not use it irrationally, its been shown in studies that its rare for a legal concealed carry citizen to use his weapon illegally

anyway: discuss

[speedstyle]

I don't have a problem with people carrying concealed weapon's, however, We have a lot of deterents for crime out there already which do not seem to work so I don't see how this would be any different.

[Rootus]

"An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life." - Robert A. Heinlein

Originally Posted by speedstyle

I don't have a problem with people carrying concealed weapon's, however, We have a lot of deterents for crime out there already which do not seem to work so I don't see how this would be any different.

The most important aspect of a punishment that makes it a deterrent to crime is the certainty of that punishment occurring. If the punishment is 20 years in prison, but the criminal is rarely caught, that is not much of a deterrent. If the punishment is 1 year in prison, but the criminal is always caught, that is a better deterrent. If criminals knew that the odds of their victim being armed were quite good, they have an immediate deterrent.

There are arguments to be made against carrying (mistakes, accidents, etc), of course.

For sure whatever we're doing now isn't working -- we have 5% of the population of the world and 25% of the prisoners. Perhaps it's time for some rethinking of how we approach justice.

[Tortfeasor STi]

IBneanderthalracing
I have mixed feeling about it honestly. I approve of individual freedoms, but the world is full of crazy mofos that I do not want packing heat. In an armed society, I think I would wear a bullet proof vest every day.

[sticop]

the bottom line is we don't need random citizens trying to be heroes and getting involved in circumstances that they shouldn't be in. Another factor comes down to this: If I roll up on a scene and there are multiple people with firearms, how am I to know who the "bad guy" is and who is just the concerned carrying citizen?

We train for situations and I shoot weekly. I have no problem with people carrying for personal protection but if it comes down to people trying to play cop thats where I have a problem.

[1loudsti]

Originally Posted by Tortfeasor STi

IBneanderthalracing
I have mixed feeling about it honestly. I approve of individual freedoms, but the world is full of crazy mofos that I do not want packing heat. In an armed society, I think I would wear a bullet proof vest every day.

thats why there would be a screening process and several other "failsafes" to prevent your average wackjob from carrying legally (even though 98% of the time he would anyway if he felt it was needed)

[1loudsti]

Originally Posted by sticop

the bottom line is we don't need random citizens trying to be heroes and getting involved in circumstances that they shouldn't be in. Another factor comes down to this: If I roll up on a scene and there are multiple people with firearms, how am I to know who the "bad guy" is and who is just the concerned carrying citizen?

We train for situations and I shoot weekly. I have no problem with people carrying for personal protection but if it comes down to people trying to play cop thats where I have a problem.

i completely agree with you but there are times when the police cant get there right away. i would also say that people responsible enough to go through the classes and the certs. etc they would realize their role isnt to play cop, most of the time anyway

[kessler89]

Originally Posted by Tortfeasor STi

IBneanderthalracing
I have mixed feeling about it honestly. I approve of individual freedoms, but the world is full of crazy mofos that I do not want packing heat. In an armed society, I think I would wear a bullet proof vest every day.

you're living in a armed society, it's called the second amendment, you're still alive aren't you?


i'm all for conceal carry, and have had my permit for almost 4years now

our local leo's are a joke, i've watched them "qualify" and laughed my a$$ off, took one guy over 2min to clear his weapon of a jam, good thing the paper wasn't shooting, back i shoot almost ever week, and am probably more familair with ALL of my firearms than they are their one

[Seppo]

Can someone please enlighten me on what are the current requirements to get a concealed carry license?

Originally Posted by Tortfeasor STi

I have mixed feeling about it honestly. I approve of individual freedoms, but the world is full of crazy mofos that I do not want packing heat. In an armed society, I think I would wear a bullet proof vest every day.

^I kind of agree with Tort. Some people should just not be packing heat. Anger problems, alcoholism, drug abuse; all that mixed with carrying a firearm can lead to a potentially deadly situation. Also i don't believe that even intense screening can determine whether someone will be mentally stable enough to carry a concealed firearm.

[kessler89]

Originally Posted by Seppo

Can someone please enlighten me on what are the current requirements to get a concealed carry license?

Also i kind of agree with Tort. Some people should just not be packing heat. Anger problems, alcoholism, drug abuse; all that mixed with carrying a firearm can lead to a potentially deadly situation.

in ohio you cant have any previous drug charges, felony convictions, or mental defects or disabilitys

every state is different

[unrequited]

Concealed carry is fine for most social situations, but I prefer open carry ( OpenCarry.org ). Cops don't hide their firearms, why should you?

Here's where it's legal:

[jaydow11]

When I think of people wearing guns the first thing that comes to mind is something like this:


HAHAHAH

Sorry, on a more serious note, In my humble (and not always right) opinion, I think the main problem in the US is with the right to bear arms in the first place. This has made it so there are so many guns out there now, how do you possibly change it or try to solve this problem?

Because of this "right to bear arms" a lot of people have this mentality that has been bread into every generation that owning a gun is a good idea and everyone should because it's their "right".

Living in Canda, we don't have as much of a gun problem as you guys in the US do. We also don't have it stated in our law the same way.

And the laws are quite strict around guns. For example you can only have a gun in the trunk of your car, in a locked safe, strictly going to and from the gun range... at no other time can you have a gun on you, or in your car.

It's also very rare for people to actually own a gun, and when they do, 90% of them are hunting rifles not hand guns.

To give you an idea, I didn't even know my town had a gun range until a couple years ago when one of the guys in the office decided to buy a hand and skeet shotting gun.

I of course agree that everyone has the right to protect themselves, but adding more guns to a situation that already has too many guns in the first place I don't think is the answer.

Until there is an attitude change and a change to your "right to bear arms" law, I don't see anything being done that would actually make a difference.

And when you really think about it, even if people do have the right to bear arms, if everyone actually respected other people and respected the law, the whole issue around guns would be nulled and no one would NEED to carry a gun!

It's sad that we as humans have come to the point we are at with regards to how we treat each other at times....

[1loudsti]

Originally Posted by unrequited

Concealed carry is fine for most social situations, but I prefer open carry ( OpenCarry.org ). Cops don't hide their firearms, why should you?

Here's where it's legal:

its supposed to be legal in WI but all the counties basically say they will charge you with SOMETHING if you actually do what its your legal right to do

[1loudsti]

Originally Posted by jaydow11

Sorry, on a more serious note, In my humble (and not always right) opinion, I think the main problem in the US is with the right to bear arms in the first place. This has made it so there are so many guns out there now, how do you possibly change it or try to solve this problem?

Because of this "right to bear arms" a lot of people have this mentality that has been bread into every generation that owning a gun is a good idea and everyone should because it's their "right".

Living in Canda, we don't have as much of a gun problem as you guys in the US do. We also don't have it stated in our law the same way.

And the laws are quite strict around guns. For example you can only have a gun in the trunk of your car, in a locked safe, strictly going to and from the gun range... at no other time can you have a gun on you, or in your car.

It's also very rare for people to actually own a gun, and when they do, 90% of them are hunting rifles not hand guns.

To give you an idea, I didn't even know my town had a gun range until a couple years ago when one of the guys in the office decided to buy a hand and skeet shotting gun.

I of course agree that everyone has the right to protect themselves, but adding more guns to a situation that already has too many guns in the first place I don't think is the answer.

Until there is an attitude change and a change to your "right to bear arms" law, I don't see anything being done that would actually make a difference.

And when you really think about it, even if people do have the right to bear arms, if everyone actually respected other people and respected the law, the whole issue around guns would be nulled and no one would NEED to carry a gun!

It's sad that we as humans have come to the point we are at with regards to how we treat each other at times....

IMO its not too many guns, its too many guns on the wrong side of the law..if everyone carried it would be like no one was carrying because the bad guys wouldnt have that advantage anymore, i have seen studies where places with open and/or concealed carry laws the violent crime rate dropped dramatically

[jaydow11]

Originally Posted by 1loudsti

IMO its not too many guns, its too many guns on the wrong side of the law..if everyone carried it would be like no one was carrying because the bad guys wouldnt have that advantage anymore, i have seen studies where places with open and/or concealed carry laws the violent crime rate dropped dramatically

I can also see that being true for sure!

However, I guess there are just a lot of "what if's" that people would have.

For example, road rage. We all know some people absolutly loose their minds in their cars.

Various possible outcomes for something as simple as cutting someone off durning a lane change:

1.) No one gets hurt because both are too afraid to get out of their cars for fear of getting shot.
2.) Both get out of their cars, show they have a gun, both get back into their cars for fear of getting shot.
3.) Both get out of their cars, the freak (road rager) opens fire and kills other person.
4.) Both get out, Freak opens fire, other person does too and kills Freak.
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So what's the most likley outcome?

We'll I would rather it be so NO ONE HAD A GUN so the worst that could happen to me was a beating if it got to that point and I sucked at fighting!

I don't know about you, but I would rather not have the thought of a gun in any kind of situation.

It's a lot harder to kill someone with your hands than to shoot them with a gun...