[TuffStuff]

Sweet evo. Its all about the driver...

[r12rex]

I'm willing to bet he has a dogbox in that thing...hmm...

With all that power...would a stock evo tranny really hold up to it?

[damstr]

Originally Posted by r12rex

I'm willing to bet he has a dogbox in that thing...hmm...

With all that power...would a stock evo tranny really hold up to it?

Its very rare to see Evos with dogbox trannys. Most of the high horsepower Evos have there trannys rebuilt by Shep. You send him your stocker and he takes it apart and cryo treats all the internals and they can withstand tremendous amounts of power.

First thing that usually goes on the stock stuff is the tcase. Some guy on evom just obliterated his, but he was 700+ wheel horsepower launching it.

The stock 5 speed trannys aren't too bad though. Not as bullet proof as the STI's tranny but still not too shabby. My friend was a running a 35R on the stock block/interals for well over a year on stock tranny and had no problems. He was 540+ wheel horsepower on pump gas.

The 6 speed MR's aren't as strong. I'd say max you'd want to push before upgrading something is 450/500ish wheel horsepower. Then again people with that much power usually switch to the 5 speeds because its quicker in the 1/4 mile.

I proved this to myself first time I went to the track over 7 months ago. I ran 111 at about 7300rpm in 4th. I could probably max it out at 115/116 by 8k. I barely had any mods. Next outting I know I'll be dipping into the high 11's with completely stock internals (stock cams still) and straight 93 pump gas.

Any faster and I'd have to shift into 5 and that costs time.

[polyol]

Originally Posted by damstr

Any faster and I'd have to shift into 5 and that costs time.

Indeed! Welcome to my world...lol..

[damstr]

Originally Posted by polyol

Indeed! Welcome to my world...lol..

Yeah. I have to be honest though I like the 6 speed for daily driving. The 5 speed the gears are to far apart IMO and you have to wait later before shifting.

Guess you get used to it though. Sooner or later I will be doing a swap for a 5speed once I get a beater. lol

[13onesti]

Originally Posted by STiBriT

Flat foot shifting can be programmed into the ecu. Welcome to the 90's.

It's just a roll race...not much skill involved. Sick cars though.

i know about that feature. since the 90's haha

but YES and NO with benefits. even if you have this feature but the driver has cant shift fast enought to take advantage of this feature then whats the point of having it? it wont do anything

Originally Posted by damstr

My friend can shift just like this on his 05 Evo 8 and still has stock clutch tranny and tcase. He just doesn't full throttle shift but rather half throttle when he shifts.

Pretty awesome but if you mess up bye bye.

again like i said full throttle or haft throttle or normal way

is just all driving preferance it holds no benefits if you dont have this feature on your car..

and even if you did have this feature. if you cant shift fast its pointless..

Originally Posted by damstr

Its very rare to see Evos with dogbox trannys. Most of the high horsepower Evos have there trannys rebuilt by Shep. You send him your stocker and he takes it apart and cryo treats all the internals and they can withstand tremendous amounts of power.

First thing that usually goes on the stock stuff is the tcase. Some guy on evom just obliterated his, but he was 700+ wheel horsepower launching it.

The stock 5 speed trannys aren't too bad though. Not as bullet proof as the STI's tranny but still not too shabby. My friend was a running a 35R on the stock block/interals for well over a year on stock tranny and had no problems. He was 540+ wheel horsepower on pump gas.

The 6 speed MR's aren't as strong. I'd say max you'd want to push before upgrading something is 450/500ish wheel horsepower. Then again people with that much power usually switch to the 5 speeds because its quicker in the 1/4 mile.

I proved this to myself first time I went to the track over 7 months ago. I ran 111 at about 7300rpm in 4th. I could probably max it out at 115/116 by 8k. I barely had any mods. Next outting I know I'll be dipping into the high 11's with completely stock internals (stock cams still) and straight 93 pump gas.

Any faster and I'd have to shift into 5 and that costs time.

yup sheps trans are ****ing badass stage 3 and stage 4 tranny from shep is basicly bullet proof.


as for the transfercase failing. it varies. im a good friends with SPEEDELEMENT ( special in evos ) i hang out that shop most of the time. they all tell me transfer case second thing thats go. clutch takes quite alot of beating on drivetrain of the evo.

yea they can last aslong u dont beat on them, any tranny can be broken if threated the wrong way. btw.. your friends stock bone stock internals/ or maybe with done up heads..but 540whp stright pump gas thats quite a bit high, im sure its done on a high reading dyno.. im good friend to one of the best evo tuner in westcoast ( andy @ SPEEDELEMENT) he tells me with gt35 turbo and stock internals even on race gas they can make pass 500whp on a very low reading mustang dyno. but they do run high 10s tho on race gas and runs high to mid 11s on pump gas

we all know Dyno numbers dont mean ****.. hahahahaha its track times tha counts

thats the trick about the drag racing with Evo 5 speed. just raise up the rev it high so you can leave it on 4th for finish. evo 8 5speed is longer than the evo9 5speed

jumping from 12.8 to high 11s is no easy task, you make it sounds its that easy. high 11s on pump gas is quite rare. ( i know theres only 1 evo that has ran 11s on california 91 pumpgas)

its that guy Racer that runs 11.59 on race gas (c16) on stock turbo did 11.97 on cali 91 octane
NorCalEvo.net : Top 10 quickest and fastest EVO's in Cali

even just running 11s on real stock turbo (stock hotside), and completely bone stock engine (stock cams) basicly just stright up bolt on is quite very hard to do..

Top 15 Fastest/Quickest – Stock Turbo Evo’s for 2008 - evolutionm.net

Originally Posted by damstr

You must know A LOT of people that can't drive. I have 28k on mine with multiple street launches and it doesn't slip at all. 28k in a year so i drive a lot. I know a lot of people with over 40k on stock clutch. No probs at all.

i hang out at Speedelement all the time, im quite aware of this clutch issue

and yes drivers makes a big differance. any thing can break if the guy is stupid enought

[damstr]

Originally Posted by 13onesti

yup sheps trans are ****ing badass stage 3 and stage 4 tranny from shep is basicly bullet proof.


as for the transfercase failing. it varies. im a good friends with SPEEDELEMENT ( special in evos ) i hang out that shop most of the time. they all tell me transfer case second thing thats go. clutch takes quite alot of beating on drivetrain of the evo.

yea they can last aslong u dont beat on them, any tranny can be broken if threated the wrong way. btw.. your friends stock bone stock internals/ or maybe with done up heads..but 540whp stright pump gas thats quite a bit high, im sure its done on a high reading dyno.. im good friend to one of the best evo tuner in westcoast ( andy @ SPEEDELEMENT) he tells me with gt35 turbo and stock internals even on race gas they can make pass 500whp on a very low reading mustang dyno. but they do run high 10s tho on race gas and runs high to mid 11s on pump gas

we all know Dyno numbers dont mean ****.. hahahahaha its track times tha counts

thats the trick about the drag racing with Evo 5 speed. just raise up the rev it high so you can leave it on 4th for finish. evo 8 5speed is longer than the evo9 5speed

jumping from 12.8 to high 11s is no easy task, you make it sounds its that easy. high 11s on pump gas is quite rare. ( i know theres only 1 evo that has ran 11s on california 91 pumpgas)

its that guy Racer that runs 11.59 on race gas (c16) on stock turbo did 11.97 on cali 91 octane
NorCalEvo.net : Top 10 quickest and fastest EVO's in Cali

even just running 11s on real stock turbo (stock hotside), and completely bone stock engine (stock cams) basicly just stright up bolt on is quite very hard to do..

Top 15 Fastest/Quickest – Stock Turbo Evo’s for 2008 - evolutionm.net




i hang out at Speedelement all the time, im quite aware of this clutch issue

and yes drivers makes a big differance. any thing can break if the guy is stupid enought

Hate to tell you but your extremely off there. Look at David Buschur @ Buschur Racing. 602 awhp horsepower on STRAIGHT 93. Nothing else no meth or alky with a 35R. He also ran a 10.01 at like 145+ a couple weeks on straight 93 as well. This is no fluke either he has 3 or 4 Evo's (customer cars) with 35R's pushing 600+ on just sraight 93. They have a Mustang dyno as well so it reads normal.

I mean heck look at the AMS time attack Evo. It has a 35R and is pushing 700+ awhp they claim from their latest behind the scenes video.

Keep in mind there are only about 3-4 guys in the whole country who have mastered tuning AEM on Evo's. These are they guys getting the big numbers and fastest times. The ones I know are Martin from AMS, David from Buschur (no surprise that these two are) and I think another one is @ ISP.

500awhp on an STI with race gas seems right though. I remember the guy that had is 06 SGM stolen on here a couple months ago had a 35R and with C16 he barely broke 500. He has a white R33 or R32 I believe now.

And yes dyno numbers don't mean a damn thing if you can't drive. My 12.8 for example, wasn't being launched. 2.06 60 foot time. I only had my car for a couple months and wasn't confident with myself to be launching it on the track. So just keep that in mind, I ran a 12.8 @ 110, and a 13.0 @ 111 WITHOUT launching it. My buddy with just a TBE, MBC, and tune pulled off a 12.3 @ 109. Enough with the "excuses" already. I'll be going to the track sometime in the next month hopefully before it gets really hot out and see what I put down. My other buddy ran a 12.01 @ 114.5 with a not-so-great 60ft time, but he was afraid his clutch would go. lol He's the one that has 52k on the stock clutch.

Hopefully I get more then 2 runs then I did my first and only time at the track....crappy civics leaking oil over the track.

I expect to run low 12s without any problems. 11's though is going to have to be a near perfect run, and I have improved tremendously since I last was there. I'd be willingly to bet that I will bust into the 11.9's that outting if all is well.

EDIT: Oh yeah forgot to mention that the only difference between the 5 speed Evo VIII and the 5 speed Evo IX is 4th gear is a little longer on the VIII's. Other then that all the gears are identical.

[jermdeez]

hey guys the sti can be shifted even faster, safely. I've seen my tuner due it. I had a 5 liter before my fp green, but a 05 sti. I can shift pretty well, his shifting is in a whole other leauge. Imagine sitting in your ride and trying to push your clutch pedal in and out in 1 stab as fast as possible, combine that with hitting the gear at the right time and its faster than a bike........it's truly amazing and I don't think people know about it. I'll try and get a vid, the best part is it's smooth