H4 Diesel?

BigRigger · 10-28-2006, 02:38 PM

Subaru says they are unvailing a Diesel engine in Geveva next year. Question

1. Displacement? Numbers?

2. What are they planning to put it in.(Subaru Pickup in the future maybe?

3. Same block as 2.5L or totally new block?

4. Why did they bother?

Anybody with answers, please let us know.

Garo666 · 10-28-2006, 02:39 PM

man subaru is doing some odd stuff we just need to wait and see

Tortfeasor STi · 10-28-2006, 07:16 PM

Diesels are big in europe and get good gas mileage. What with Audi winning 24 hours of lemans with r8 diesels car companies want to be on the fore front of an emerging trend, performance diesels. The fact that race cars dont need not meet emissions controls and when they do will probably no longer be all that quick does not seem to enter into the equation. Not to mention that the diesel infrastructure does not exist in the US like it does in Europe making a fill up relatively difficult to come by. There are reasons no one buys diesels in the US.

eatV8 · 10-28-2006, 09:09 PM

http://news.hspn.com/articles/793/1/...how/Page1.html

Abit of info in that article. (Last page I think)

(Note where the turbo is located on the diesel engines)

Why you ask? Like already mensioned diesels are very big in europe. They have a bucket load of tq and get great economy. Watch for diesels to make a very big push in the US now low-sulfur diesel is now the standard and companies have new emmisions equiptment to have diesels pass in ALL 50 STATES

Displacement should be around 2.0L, I heard a long time ago now that they would have two specs, 2.0 and 2.2... I do not know if this is still true. Full specs should be availible at Geneva I hope. My PERSONAL estimate for power and TQ will be around 140-160hp/265-285tq.

I am a big fan of diesel, I would recommend one to someone anyday. Expessially over a damn hybrid.

lackskill · 10-29-2006, 12:59 PM

+1 for diesels. The technology has come a long way. Major reasons people dont buy diesels in the US is A: They are only widely available in full size trucks. B: Auto mfgrs are charging a premium for diesel motors here. Diesels are an ~5-7k option.

Oil companies would love to see diesels make a big push here in the states as they require about one third the process to refine and they still get to charge around the price of gas.

BigRigger · 10-29-2006, 01:03 PM

I know all about the advantages of Diesel, I play with a 12.2 L 550hp motor everyday. The Audi cars at lemans were awesome. I was just wondering why Subaru is doing it, afterall, as far as I know, they have never done a diesel, just gas jobs. And the R&D costs on a new engine, espically a reliable diesel are HUGE!

If they use the same block, that would be sweet, since the cylinder pressures of a diesel are way more than a gas job, you may be able to swap heads and stuff and have a bulletproof engine. OH THE POSSIBILITIES!!

Thanks guys, keep the comments flowing.

Keep on Riggin

STiSpeed · 10-29-2006, 01:19 PM

I'm lookin forward to a diesel H4, that would be SICK!

La Mer · 10-30-2006, 08:26 AM

don't underestimate the power of diesel's. you thought the ej257 was a torque monster... just wait for the diesel.

**boondocksaint** · 10-30-2006, 08:51 AM

Why do people not buy diesels in the US? One word.

Renault.

When those diesel POS cars came here, people were willing to try them. That was a fantatically crappy car/engine and people equate that to diesel in some cases. The younger you are, the less likely you remember that. The Mercedes diesels were decent cars, just a bit loud and stinky. VW diesels have a pretty rabid following, and they actually rallyed a Golf TDI with excellent results. I'd like to see a good performance diesel in something that wasn't a truck.

***wdb*** · 10-30-2006, 08:59 AM

A google search on "subaru diesel" turns up dozens of great links. Looks like it is targeted at the European market.

On a somewhat related note, has anyone else noticed that diesel stink isn't the same anymore? It used to stink like sulfur, now with the low sulfur fuel it stinks like paraffin. Still stinks though.

***wdb*** · 10-30-2006, 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boondocksaint

Why do people not buy diesels in the US? One word.

Renault.

Uhmmm, how about the POS Chevy 350? It was a gas engine that they slapped diesel heads on without beefing up the bottom end. Huge disaster.

Or how about the reliable-until-they-shook-to-pieces VW Rabbits of the same vintage? A buddy of mine had one; he carried a toolbox around in the back to tighten stuff up before it rattled off.

Then there is the small matter of diesel fuel being: a) more expensive; and 2) harder to find than gasoline in the US.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for a healthier diesel market in the US. But there is plenty of blame to spread around as to why the market does not already exist.

**boondocksaint** · 10-30-2006, 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wdb

Uhmmm, how about the POS Chevy 350? It was a gas engine that they slapped diesel heads on without beefing up the bottom end. Huge disaster.

Or how about the reliable-until-they-shook-to-pieces VW Rabbits of the same vintage? A buddy of mine had one; he carried a toolbox around in the back to tighten stuff up before it rattled off.

Then there is the small matter of diesel fuel being: a) more expensive; and 2) harder to find than gasoline in the US.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for a healthier diesel market in the US. But there is plenty of blame to spread around as to why the market does not already exist.

I hate Renault, so I'm biased.

The diesels of that period (all you mentioned) basically killed demand for daily-driver diesels in the US for what, 20 years or more? I like to think of Renault as the poster child of the POS Diesel era.

Diesel fuel is not-at-all hard to find in any area I've frequented. More expensive, yes. However 20% more cost for 50% more mileage is still a 30% savings at the final gun.

And yes, it still stinks. A guy in Montgomery has an old Jetta diesel, and he distills his own fuel. He used to get the Hardee's fry oil and process it. The exhaust always smelled like French Fries.

flatthump · 10-30-2006, 10:00 AM

WoW...Teh cams are chain driven!!

eatV8 · 10-30-2006, 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boondocksaint

I hate Renault, so I'm biased.

The diesels of that period (all you mentioned) basically killed demand for daily-driver diesels in the US for what, 20 years or more? I like to think of Renault as the poster child of the POS Diesel era.

Diesel fuel is not-at-all hard to find in any area I've frequented. More expensive, yes. However 20% more cost for 50% more mileage is still a 30% savings at the final gun.

And yes, it still stinks. A guy in Montgomery has an old Jetta diesel, and he distills his own fuel. He used to get the Hardee's fry oil and process it. The exhaust always smelled like French Fries.

Bio-diesel is the shiznit!

There was a VW Golf TDI doing the US Rallys, on the back it had a sticker
"Powered by Soy Beans"

**boondocksaint** · 10-30-2006, 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eatV8

Bio-diesel is the shiznit!

There was a VW Golf TDI doing the US Rallys, on the back it had a sticker
"Powered by Soy Beans"

Yeah, I saw the TDI Golf Rally car on vwvortek (IIRC) and it was pretty shweet. If you think about it, a well-designed diesel engine can easily outlast a gas engine under adverse conditions. Fewer points of failure (spark plugs, for instance) and gobs of usable torque.

The idea of a performance-oriented H4 diesel in an STi is intriguing.

10-28-2006, 02:38 PM	#1
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10-28-2006, 02:39 PM	#2
Garo666 Spec C Club Car: 03 Subaru WRX Fav Mod: Angry Pig... Location: Northridge, Ca Posts: 1,164 Join Date: Jan 2006 Trader Rating: (1)	man subaru is doing some odd stuff we just need to wait and see

10-28-2006, 07:16 PM	#3
Tortfeasor STi S204 Racer Car: '08 335xi Coupe Fav Mod: Dinan Reflash Location: Princeton, NJ Posts: 3,490 Join Date: Aug 2005 Trader Rating: (0)	Diesels are big in europe and get good gas mileage. What with Audi winning 24 hours of lemans with r8 diesels car companies want to be on the fore front of an emerging trend, performance diesels. The fact that race cars dont need not meet emissions controls and when they do will probably no longer be all that quick does not seem to enter into the equation. Not to mention that the diesel infrastructure does not exist in the US like it does in Europe making a fill up relatively difficult to come by. There are reasons no one buys diesels in the US.

10-28-2006, 09:09 PM	#4
eatV8 retired mod Car: 99 WRX STi V5 Fav Mod: JDM Air Freshener Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 3,856 Join Date: Apr 2003 Trader Rating: (0)	http://news.hspn.com/articles/793/1/...how/Page1.html Abit of info in that article. (Last page I think) (Note where the turbo is located on the diesel engines) Why you ask? Like already mensioned diesels are very big in europe. They have a bucket load of tq and get great economy. Watch for diesels to make a very big push in the US now low-sulfur diesel is now the standard and companies have new emmisions equiptment to have diesels pass in ALL 50 STATES Displacement should be around 2.0L, I heard a long time ago now that they would have two specs, 2.0 and 2.2... I do not know if this is still true. Full specs should be availible at Geneva I hope. My PERSONAL estimate for power and TQ will be around 140-160hp/265-285tq. I am a big fan of diesel, I would recommend one to someone anyday. Expessially over a damn hybrid.

10-29-2006, 12:59 PM	#5
lackskill Moderator Car: 05 Ram 3500 CTD Fav Mod: Majin Posts: 14,612 Join Date: Apr 2006 Trader Rating: (9)	+1 for diesels. The technology has come a long way. Major reasons people dont buy diesels in the US is A: They are only widely available in full size trucks. B: Auto mfgrs are charging a premium for diesel motors here. Diesels are an ~5-7k option. Oil companies would love to see diesels make a big push here in the states as they require about one third the process to refine and they still get to charge around the price of gas.

10-29-2006, 01:03 PM	#6
BigRigger Professional STI Driver Car: 05 Subaru Sti Fav Mod: Twin Turbo Location: 100 miles north of the mi Posts: 447 Join Date: Sep 2006 Trader Rating: (0)	I know all about the advantages of Diesel, I play with a 12.2 L 550hp motor everyday. The Audi cars at lemans were awesome. I was just wondering why Subaru is doing it, afterall, as far as I know, they have never done a diesel, just gas jobs. And the R&D costs on a new engine, espically a reliable diesel are HUGE! If they use the same block, that would be sweet, since the cylinder pressures of a diesel are way more than a gas job, you may be able to swap heads and stuff and have a bulletproof engine. OH THE POSSIBILITIES!! Thanks guys, keep the comments flowing. Keep on Riggin

10-29-2006, 01:19 PM	#7
STiSpeed Professional STI Racer Car: 05 World Rally Blue Location: Ohio Posts: 785 Join Date: Oct 2005 Trader Rating: (1)	I'm lookin forward to a diesel H4, that would be SICK!

10-30-2006, 08:26 AM	#8
La Mer NIИja Location: US - Southern California Posts: 38,211 Join Date: Jan 2006 Trader Rating: (5)	don't underestimate the power of diesel's. you thought the ej257 was a torque monster... just wait for the diesel.

10-30-2006, 08:51 AM	#9
boondocksaint Reasonable Car: Boony's Motown STi Fav Mod: correct grammar Location: D3TR01T Posts: 22,573 Join Date: Jun 2006 Trader Rating: (5)	Why do people not buy diesels in the US? One word. Renault. When those diesel POS cars came here, people were willing to try them. That was a fantatically crappy car/engine and people equate that to diesel in some cases. The younger you are, the less likely you remember that. The Mercedes diesels were decent cars, just a bit loud and stinky. VW diesels have a pretty rabid following, and they actually rallyed a Golf TDI with excellent results. I'd like to see a good performance diesel in something that wasn't a truck.

10-30-2006, 08:59 AM	#10
*wdb* dances with roads Car: 2005 CGM STi Posts: 5,068 Join Date: Apr 2005 Trader Rating: (8)	A google search on "subaru diesel" turns up dozens of great links. Looks like it is targeted at the European market. On a somewhat related note, has anyone else noticed that diesel stink isn't the same anymore? It used to stink like sulfur, now with the low sulfur fuel it stinks like paraffin. Still stinks though.

10-30-2006, 10:00 AM	#13
flatthump Enginerd Car: The Spaze Mobile Fav Mod: Tuning Location: South O.C., Ca Posts: 12,968 Join Date: Jan 2006 Trader Rating: (5)	WoW...Teh cams are chain driven!!