H4 Diesel? - Page 2

eatV8 · 10-30-2006, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by boondocksaint

Yeah, I saw the TDI Golf Rally car on vwvortek (IIRC) and it was pretty shweet. If you think about it, a well-designed diesel engine can easily outlast a gas engine under adverse conditions. Fewer points of failure (spark plugs, for instance) and gobs of usable torque.

The idea of a performance-oriented H4 diesel in an STi is intriguing.

I think just the H4 diesel in a WRX package would be great fun. I personally would like a Forester with a "tweaked H4 diesel" All that utility, plus fuel economy and loads of TQ

For a daily driver of course, now the real fun would still be my STi right next to it in the garage...

amdmaxx · 10-30-2006, 03:07 PM

Ye, Diesel Forester with STi 2 door hatch is my dream garage..

fuzzybam · 10-30-2006, 05:03 PM

love diesel engines and i wish ca wasn't so retarded with banning the selling of diesel CARS (not trucks).

BigRigger · 10-31-2006, 08:21 AM

Really? up here (Norther Alberta) Diesel is at least 10 cents cheaper a liter than gas. Until the middle of winter, Jan-Feb, then it is more expensive. We get a shortage every year. Which is kinda strange since we got more oil than the Saudi's do now.

I love the idea of a diesel in a subaru, just kinda blew me away when I heard about it. They are far more reliable than gas jobs and the TQ is way cool, just low HP in general, but thats how those motors work. They would be a huge hit up here.

Keep on Riggin

lackskill · 10-31-2006, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRigger

Really? up here (Norther Alberta) Diesel is at least 10 cents cheaper a liter than gas. Until the middle of winter, Jan-Feb, then it is more expensive. We get a shortage every year. Which is kinda strange since we got more oil than the Saudi's do now.

I love the idea of a diesel in a subaru, just kinda blew me away when I heard about it. They are far more reliable than gas jobs and the TQ is way cool, just low HP in general, but thats how those motors work. They would be a huge hit up here.

Keep on Riggin

The reason that diesel gets more expensive in the winter and you run into shortages is that refineries shift production from diesel output emphasis to stove oil output emphasis. Since the 2 products are so closely related and refineries never really anticipated diesel would be a primary product their capacities wont support both markets. There are a few refineries that are upping capacity of diesel/jet fuel/stove oil units to keep up with the market. The refinery where I work, just built a new Low Sulfur Diesel unit, completely revamped their jet/diesel/stove oil treater, and they are going to build another completely new diesel unit to replace the current old one. If you think oil companies are sticking it to us on Gas, just remember that it only takes about 1/3 the process to refine diesel.

BigRigger · 10-31-2006, 11:02 AM

That may be true down there, but up here. ALL of our houses are heated by natural gas, not stove oil. We have more refineries than you can shake a stick at. The reason is winter is our (oilpatch) really busy time. All + or - 1000 oil rigs, plus all the commerical trucks, and most companies give their employees company trucks and a fuel card so we dont care about saving fuel since we dont pay for it. So just imagine all those 600+hp diesels runing 24h a day for 6 months straight plus pickups, thats alot of diesel being consumed really fast.

I have 168k on my truck and have maybe put $500 of fuel in it, the rest was free from my rig. Sweet deal. I could also get all the free methanol I want.

All I need to do now is find a way to get free 93oct gas.

Keep on Riggin

mccullpl · 10-31-2006, 11:26 AM

Actually the GM 5.7L diesel was a beefed up Olds 350. Yep they were crappy diesels, but they can be converted to gas and bored out to make a bulletproof454 cid small block! At least they're good for something!

**nandanrp** · 10-31-2006, 12:08 PM

Damn, could you imagine a diesel/boxer rumble?

eatV8 · 10-31-2006, 12:16 PM

^ The rattle rumble?

**nandanrp** · 10-31-2006, 12:25 PM

4300 RPM redline FTW!

ScoobyInc · 10-31-2006, 12:30 PM

id hit it

lackskill · 10-31-2006, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRigger

That may be true down there, but up here. ALL of our houses are heated by natural gas, not stove oil. We have more refineries than you can shake a stick at. The reason is winter is our (oilpatch) really busy time. All + or - 1000 oil rigs, plus all the commerical trucks, and most companies give their employees company trucks and a fuel card so we dont care about saving fuel since we dont pay for it. So just imagine all those 600+hp diesels runing 24h a day for 6 months straight plus pickups, thats alot of diesel being consumed really fast.

I have 168k on my truck and have maybe put $500 of fuel in it, the rest was free from my rig. Sweet deal. I could also get all the free methanol I want.

All I need to do now is find a way to get free 93oct gas.

Keep on Riggin

{DISCLAIMER: My detailed experience is limited to a small corner of the world, but I am led to believe by people with much more experience than me that most markets are very similar to my local market.}

Actually local markets play a very small role in what is produced... I live on the west coast and there are very few houses that are heated with stove oil, but the fact is that a very large portion of the east coast of the US is still stove oil. Thus, most of North America caters to them. You can also thank the US military for diesel shortages as any refinery that has a military contract has to supply them first. Guess what 2 products the military uses... Jet Fuel and Diesel... And since Jet, Stove and Diesel all come from the same process stream, diesel markets get to suffer... I was amazed to find out how little the local market plays in what the local refineries produce.

BigRigger · 10-31-2006, 06:02 PM

I didn't know that. I did know that 40% of the US air force fuel reserves are in Edmonton, kinda the heart of our local oil economy, and where most of the refineries are. But still, the amount of Diesel that we use is HUGE. And we are paying .93c a liter X 4.54 l/gal = $4.20 a gal of 87oct and $3.84/gal of Diesel RIGHT NOW! And we get it from our own backyards. CRAZY!!

eatV8 · 10-31-2006, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRigger

I didn't know that. I did know that 40% of the US air force fuel reserves are in Edmonton, kinda the heart of our local oil economy, and where most of the refineries are. But still, the amount of Diesel that we use is HUGE. And we are paying .93c a liter X 4.54 l/gal = $4.20 a gal of 87oct and $3.84/gal of Diesel RIGHT NOW! And we get it from our own backyards. CRAZY!!

4.54 is a "Brittish" gallon. A US Gallon is 3.78L

.93 x 3.78 = $3.46

10-31-2006, 08:21 AM	#19
BigRigger Professional STI Driver Car: 05 Subaru Sti Fav Mod: Twin Turbo Location: 100 miles north of the mi Posts: 448 Join Date: Sep 2006 Trader Rating: (0)	More Expensive? Really? up here (Norther Alberta) Diesel is at least 10 cents cheaper a liter than gas. Until the middle of winter, Jan-Feb, then it is more expensive. We get a shortage every year. Which is kinda strange since we got more oil than the Saudi's do now. I love the idea of a diesel in a subaru, just kinda blew me away when I heard about it. They are far more reliable than gas jobs and the TQ is way cool, just low HP in general, but thats how those motors work. They would be a huge hit up here. Keep on Riggin

10-31-2006, 11:02 AM	#21
BigRigger Professional STI Driver Car: 05 Subaru Sti Fav Mod: Twin Turbo Location: 100 miles north of the mi Posts: 448 Join Date: Sep 2006 Trader Rating: (0)	Close But Not Quite. That may be true down there, but up here. ALL of our houses are heated by natural gas, not stove oil. We have more refineries than you can shake a stick at. The reason is winter is our (oilpatch) really busy time. All + or - 1000 oil rigs, plus all the commerical trucks, and most companies give their employees company trucks and a fuel card so we dont care about saving fuel since we dont pay for it. So just imagine all those 600+hp diesels runing 24h a day for 6 months straight plus pickups, thats alot of diesel being consumed really fast. I have 168k on my truck and have maybe put $500 of fuel in it, the rest was free from my rig. Sweet deal. I could also get all the free methanol I want. All I need to do now is find a way to get free 93oct gas. Keep on Riggin

10-30-2006, 03:07 PM	#17
amdmaxx Stage 2 Moderator Car: 06 Saabaru 9-2x Aero Fav Mod: Larger breasts Location: Northern NJ, USA Posts: 1,389 Join Date: Nov 2002 Trader Rating: (0)	Ye, Diesel Forester with STi 2 door hatch is my dream garage..

10-30-2006, 05:03 PM	#18
fuzzybam Amateur STI Driver Car: 06 Pontiac GTO Location: bakersfield, ca Posts: 48 Join Date: Sep 2006 Trader Rating: (0)	love diesel engines and i wish ca wasn't so retarded with banning the selling of diesel CARS (not trucks).

10-31-2006, 11:26 AM	#22
mccullpl Junior STI Driver Car: WRB 05 STi Location: Cedar Rapids, IA Posts: 115 Join Date: Jul 2004 Trader Rating: (0)	Actually the GM 5.7L diesel was a beefed up Olds 350. Yep they were crappy diesels, but they can be converted to gas and bored out to make a bulletproof454 cid small block! At least they're good for something!

10-31-2006, 12:08 PM	#23
nandanrp Indiatr0n in yo IWDPL Car: 05FTW OBP STi Fav Mod: Brum Brum Location: downtown Chicago Posts: 48,830 Join Date: Jun 2004 Trader Rating: (11)	Damn, could you imagine a diesel/boxer rumble?

10-31-2006, 12:16 PM	#24
eatV8 retired mod Car: 99 WRX STi V5 Fav Mod: JDM Air Freshener Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 3,856 Join Date: Apr 2003 Trader Rating: (0)	^ The rattle rumble?

10-31-2006, 12:25 PM	#25
nandanrp Indiatr0n in yo IWDPL Car: 05FTW OBP STi Fav Mod: Brum Brum Location: downtown Chicago Posts: 48,830 Join Date: Jun 2004 Trader Rating: (11)	4300 RPM redline FTW!

10-31-2006, 12:30 PM	#26
ScoobyInc Grassroots STI Racer Car: 05 Subaru STi Location: Upstate NY Posts: 524 Join Date: Apr 2006 Trader Rating: (1)	id hit it

10-31-2006, 06:02 PM	#28
BigRigger Professional STI Driver Car: 05 Subaru Sti Fav Mod: Twin Turbo Location: 100 miles north of the mi Posts: 448 Join Date: Sep 2006 Trader Rating: (0)	I didn't know that. I did know that 40% of the US air force fuel reserves are in Edmonton, kinda the heart of our local oil economy, and where most of the refineries are. But still, the amount of Diesel that we use is HUGE. And we are paying .93c a liter X 4.54 l/gal = $4.20 a gal of 87oct and $3.84/gal of Diesel RIGHT NOW! And we get it from our own backyards. CRAZY!!