Horrible horrible news......

CloNeGTS · 11-12-2002, 08:54 PM

http://www.4car.co.uk/jsp/main.jsp?lnk=220&storyid=1784

Here's the bad snip-it.....

but the killer news for England (and the rest of the world, for that matter, apart from Japan) is that all the latest techy stuff is not for export. In basic terms, the new shape car at Paris with mildly tweaked mechanical package is officially all there is for the UK. Blame the familiar excuses of "emissions" and Subaru's limited R&D power...

DCCD, Twin Scroll.....yup....not for us apparently.

:evil:

Marine06 · 11-12-2002, 10:53 PM

Nothing was explicitly said about the U.S. market and what version of the STI we will receive. However, it's sad that Japan should get the better STI i.e. twin scroll etc.

Only time will tell what version of the STI America will receive...

91TB78 · 11-13-2002, 03:03 AM

This is bad news, but I'm not gonna believe any details to the 100% until we see and hear what the Us is getting. I sure hope this isn't the case. If so, I'm sure some of the stuff can be bought and shipped over here for replacement..but that is a pain and might not be worth it..

CloNeGTS · 11-13-2002, 05:49 AM

Quote:

for England (and the rest of the world, for that matter, apart from Japan)

That's seems pretty explicit to the US market to me. We sure aren't Japan.

I was kinda hoping Worm would jump in here and say a word about it. The only reason I took this as pretty factual was because the UK version has already been announced and this is all right from Subaru. If the UK isn't getting the toys, why should be believe we would. Our laws are more stringent than the UKs.

scoobysaurusrex · 11-13-2002, 06:02 AM

Well as far as the DCCD, that stinks.

But the twin scrolls, once the STi is here in USA wouldn't there be a way to buy the turbo , header and uppipe from japan and install them on the USA machines? I mean this obviously wouldn't be possible if they changed the dimensions on the new JDM engine but if it is the same engine but different plumbing... Sure it would cost a bit, actually >$2000 but for 200+ ft/lbs at 2400 rpm, that would be well worth it

Mike

CloNeGTS · 11-13-2002, 06:53 AM

The only things that may come into play are controlling that new system with our ECU. I'd assume they have to make some serious changes to fuel maps and the like.

There's little doubt it could be done. At what expense.....we may have to find out.

silent B0b · 11-13-2002, 08:03 AM

I still don't understand why it would make sense, from a financial standpoint, if your company spends millions of dollars in R&D for a new car and to continue to make the "old" stuff for part of the world??? Could someone explain this logic to me?

CloNeGTS · 11-13-2002, 08:37 AM

I can't think of a good reason other than that they haven't done the research to get the new engine/turbo package to work on our gas, emissions issues, other laws....

Otherwise it will be costing them more to have 2 manufacturering facilities....2 types of turbos/pistons/headers in stock and being produced.

silent B0b · 11-13-2002, 09:20 AM

Our more stringent air quality laws, gasoline specs, etc... make a difference, but the U.S. is the BIG market to sell in. You would think that since this is the flagship product in the largest market available Subaru would want to make a really good first impression. On top of this they are already going to have direct competition (i.e. EVO ).
I'm sure there are other internal issues, but I hope that the main technical improvements will be brought over (twin scroll, DCCD). I think it would be foolish not too. :-?

***MKIVSupra*** · 11-13-2002, 11:00 AM

Like I said before, if we don't get any of the easily added or fixed goodies then I will not be spending the money on an STi. I think we need to make it known that we will not settle for a watered down version of an STi. I bet Subaru reads car forums related to their products and might think twice if a lot of people start saying this. Like someone said the US is a big market for Subaru.

91TB78 · 11-13-2002, 12:17 PM

It is ridiculous, considering our laws are stringent, but Japanese and European emissions laws are pretty tough..just different.

I agree with you MKIVSupra. I'm in the boat of buying a new WRX STi and I am actually willing to spend the $1500+ to get the car shipped overseas so I can use it for a year in Europe. Crazy, I know. If SOA can't pull through and we get a "less than STI," then I will buy something else..perhaps a BMW since I can get them cheap over here and tax free...then maybe sell it in a year or so...I dunno. I will wait until the car is official and the yays and nays of the car become official...until then I am crossing my fingers!

chawklit · 11-13-2002, 12:43 PM

This sucks. I'm praying for this rather qualified-looking 'rumor' not to be true.

Albert · 11-13-2002, 05:09 PM

not good......guess I'll be keepin' my options open until the offical announcement.

91TB78 · 11-13-2002, 11:16 PM

I don't care about the DCCD (It would be really nice), but the twin scroll, etc..that is crap!

CloNeGTS · 11-14-2002, 11:03 AM

Well, now from what Worm said in the Annonymous forum.....it's looking good for us getting the twin scroll, but the DCCD is probably out.

Who knows......

11-12-2002, 08:54 PM	#1
CloNeGTS S204 Racer Car: Solo II, WRC Location: Overland Park, KS Posts: 2,776 Join Date: Oct 2002 Trader Rating: (1)	http://www.4car.co.uk/jsp/main.jsp?lnk=220&storyid=1784 Here's the bad snip-it..... but the killer news for England (and the rest of the world, for that matter, apart from Japan) is that all the latest techy stuff is not for export. In basic terms, the new shape car at Paris with mildly tweaked mechanical package is officially all there is for the UK. Blame the familiar excuses of "emissions" and Subaru's limited R&D power... DCCD, Twin Scroll.....yup....not for us apparently. :evil: :evil: This ad is not endorsed by this member. Please register or login to hide this ad.

11-12-2002, 10:53 PM	#2
Marine06 Junior STI Driver Car: WRC Fav Mod: Network Admin/Student Location: Southern California, USA Posts: 192 Join Date: Apr 2002 Trader Rating: (0)	Horrible horrible news...... Nothing was explicitly said about the U.S. market and what version of the STI we will receive. However, it's sad that Japan should get the better STI i.e. twin scroll etc. Only time will tell what version of the STI America will receive...

11-13-2002, 05:09 PM	#13
Albert Junior STI Driver Car: none Location: San Diego, CA. Posts: 55 Join Date: Jun 2002 Trader Rating: (0)	Worm, Is it true ? not good......guess I'll be keepin' my options open until the offical announcement.

11-14-2002, 11:03 AM	#15
CloNeGTS S204 Racer Car: Solo II, WRC Location: Overland Park, KS Posts: 2,776 Join Date: Oct 2002 Trader Rating: (1)	Well, now from what Worm said in the Annonymous forum.....it's looking good for us getting the twin scroll, but the DCCD is probably out. Who knows...... This ad is not endorsed by this member. Please register or login to hide this ad.

11-13-2002, 03:03 AM	#3
91TB78 S204 Racer Car: 06 IX MR Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 3,667 Join Date: Mar 2002 Trader Rating: (12)	This is bad news, but I'm not gonna believe any details to the 100% until we see and hear what the Us is getting. I sure hope this isn't the case. If so, I'm sure some of the stuff can be bought and shipped over here for replacement..but that is a pain and might not be worth it..

11-13-2002, 06:02 AM	#5
scoobysaurusrex Junior STI Driver Posts: 51 Join Date: Nov 2002 Trader Rating: (0)	Well as far as the DCCD, that stinks. But the twin scrolls, once the STi is here in USA wouldn't there be a way to buy the turbo , header and uppipe from japan and install them on the USA machines? I mean this obviously wouldn't be possible if they changed the dimensions on the new JDM engine but if it is the same engine but different plumbing... Sure it would cost a bit, actually >$2000 but for 200+ ft/lbs at 2400 rpm, that would be well worth it Mike

11-13-2002, 06:53 AM	#6
CloNeGTS S204 Racer Car: Solo II, WRC Location: Overland Park, KS Posts: 2,776 Join Date: Oct 2002 Trader Rating: (1)	The only things that may come into play are controlling that new system with our ECU. I'd assume they have to make some serious changes to fuel maps and the like. There's little doubt it could be done. At what expense.....we may have to find out.

11-13-2002, 08:03 AM	#7
silent B0b Amateur STI Driver Posts: 32 Join Date: Nov 2002 Trader Rating: (0)	I still don't understand why it would make sense, from a financial standpoint, if your company spends millions of dollars in R&D for a new car and to continue to make the "old" stuff for part of the world??? Could someone explain this logic to me?

11-13-2002, 08:37 AM	#8
CloNeGTS S204 Racer Car: Solo II, WRC Location: Overland Park, KS Posts: 2,776 Join Date: Oct 2002 Trader Rating: (1)	I can't think of a good reason other than that they haven't done the research to get the new engine/turbo package to work on our gas, emissions issues, other laws.... Otherwise it will be costing them more to have 2 manufacturering facilities....2 types of turbos/pistons/headers in stock and being produced.

11-13-2002, 09:20 AM	#9
silent B0b Amateur STI Driver Posts: 32 Join Date: Nov 2002 Trader Rating: (0)	Our more stringent air quality laws, gasoline specs, etc... make a difference, but the U.S. is the BIG market to sell in. You would think that since this is the flagship product in the largest market available Subaru would want to make a really good first impression. On top of this they are already going to have direct competition (i.e. EVO ). I'm sure there are other internal issues, but I hope that the main technical improvements will be brought over (twin scroll, DCCD). I think it would be foolish not too. :-?

11-13-2002, 11:00 AM	#10
*MKIVSupra* Moderator Elite Car: 04 Subaru WRX STi, W Fav Mod: KartBoy SS & Bushings Location: Illinois Posts: 8,745 Join Date: Jan 2001 Trader Rating: (0)	Like I said before, if we don't get any of the easily added or fixed goodies then I will not be spending the money on an STi. I think we need to make it known that we will not settle for a watered down version of an STi. I bet Subaru reads car forums related to their products and might think twice if a lot of people start saying this. Like someone said the US is a big market for Subaru.

11-13-2002, 12:17 PM	#11
91TB78 S204 Racer Car: 06 IX MR Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 3,667 Join Date: Mar 2002 Trader Rating: (12)	It is ridiculous, considering our laws are stringent, but Japanese and European emissions laws are pretty tough..just different. I agree with you MKIVSupra. I'm in the boat of buying a new WRX STi and I am actually willing to spend the $1500+ to get the car shipped overseas so I can use it for a year in Europe. Crazy, I know. If SOA can't pull through and we get a "less than STI," then I will buy something else..perhaps a BMW since I can get them cheap over here and tax free...then maybe sell it in a year or so...I dunno. I will wait until the car is official and the yays and nays of the car become official...until then I am crossing my fingers!

11-13-2002, 12:43 PM	#12
chawklit Runs a straight pipe Car: sti Location: texas Posts: 879 Join Date: Nov 2001 Trader Rating: (0)	This sucks. I'm praying for this rather qualified-looking 'rumor' not to be true.

11-13-2002, 11:16 PM	#14
91TB78 S204 Racer Car: 06 IX MR Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 3,667 Join Date: Mar 2002 Trader Rating: (12)	I don't care about the DCCD (It would be really nice), but the twin scroll, etc..that is crap!