Winding Road STI/Evo Comparison - Page 2

js3324 · 02-14-2006, 01:03 PM

Hate to do it and sound like I am uhh..whats the word.. but I have to bring in the fact that evo comes with about/roughly -1.5 degrees of camber up front - better alignment probably accounts for the handling difference with the tighter suspension, thicker strut bar, and twitchy steering rack.

**twiSTies** · 02-14-2006, 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moderato

Thanks, sounds like a rehash of everything else that's been printed so far.

Yep, no problem. It's the same thing over and over.

STiJunki · 02-14-2006, 07:19 PM

You know.... it's funny how so many mags rate the EVO higher than the STi. Maybe they should do a long term test on both cars and see which they like better. If the EVO comes out on top, I'd be surprised but who knows.

***BoostJunkie*** · 02-14-2006, 07:39 PM

Man, I wonder if Subaru had just put a quicker steering rack on the STi how it would fare against the Evo in comparisons. Every mag loves its instant feedback and connected feel, which I feel is largely attributed to the much quicker rack (as well as the slightly wider tires and negative camber). Subaru could win these comparos so easily with just a few minor enhancements.

**twiSTies** · 02-15-2006, 03:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoostJunkie

Man, I wonder if Subaru had just put a quicker steering rack on the STi how it would fare against the Evo in comparisons. Every mag loves its instant feedback and connected feel, which I feel is largely attributed to the much quicker rack (as well as the slightly wider tires and negative camber). Subaru could win these comparos so easily with just a few minor enhancements.

Yeah, seriously. Give the car negative camber alone and the tests become more even, IMO. Kinda silly these mags don't know that.

Moderato · 02-15-2006, 05:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by twiSTies

Yeah, seriously. Give the car negative camber alone and the tests become more even, IMO. Kinda silly these mags don't know that.

How much adjustment does the stock camber plates allow? Is there any downside to increasing the negative camber from the stock setting besides tire wear? Anyone have some good camber suggestions?

**twiSTies** · 02-15-2006, 05:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moderato

How much adjustment does the stock camber plates allow? Is there any downside to increasing the negative camber from the stock setting besides tire wear? Anyone have some good camber suggestions?

Not as much as any of us would like

The '04 could get a decent bit, I think up to -1.5. The '05 could get up to -0.8 (Mine could only go up to -0.3). Not sure on the '06, but camber plates are a great mod from all I've read. More negative camber shouldn't cause a big difference in tire wear for street driving. Reduce the toe to 0 all around and this will decrease tire wear. More info is available if you search around the suspension forum.

***iTSTi*** · 02-15-2006, 07:08 AM

For your convenience, I have attached the 2 pages of review .

The conclusion:

Seranin · 02-15-2006, 10:23 AM

nice magazine. I love that they release it in pdf... no real surprise on the results. i guess the real comparison will be when the next gen models come out. can subaru compete?

js3324 · 02-15-2006, 01:57 PM

I am not attacking the Evo, just so you know(i actually wanted one but the STI would be a daily driver...)

If Subaru put say, -1.5 camber and the tires started wearing really fast you can bet there would be tons of people complaining and wanting new tires and an alignment and Subaru would probably appease these people. Whereas the mitsubishi dealers just tell their customers it's their fault
(Now, of course subaru dealers do this as well just not as much)

jermdeez · 02-15-2006, 03:32 PM

I don't trust that article, it seems exactly the same as the ones i read a year or two ago. THe new motor trend said the old (05) sti was more tossable and easier to make oversteer than the new 06, which makes sense to me since they made it less to the rear. This article says the oppositte that u can feel the rear driving more. I dunno, who cares so many idiots have written the comparison articles, we aren't going to learn anything new, just drive them for yourself those guys are douchebags.

02-14-2006, 01:03 PM	#16
js3324 Junior STI Driver Car: 2006 STI Posts: 160 Join Date: Jul 2005 Trader Rating: (0)	Hate to do it and sound like I am uhh..whats the word.. but I have to bring in the fact that evo comes with about/roughly -1.5 degrees of camber up front - better alignment probably accounts for the handling difference with the tighter suspension, thicker strut bar, and twitchy steering rack. This ad is not endorsed by this member. Please register or login to hide this ad.

02-15-2006, 03:32 PM	#26
jermdeez Spec C Club Posts: 1,686 Join Date: Feb 2005 Trader Rating: (1)	I don't trust that article, it seems exactly the same as the ones i read a year or two ago. THe new motor trend said the old (05) sti was more tossable and easier to make oversteer than the new 06, which makes sense to me since they made it less to the rear. This article says the oppositte that u can feel the rear driving more. I dunno, who cares so many idiots have written the comparison articles, we aren't going to learn anything new, just drive them for yourself those guys are douchebags. This ad is not endorsed by this member. Please register or login to hide this ad.

02-14-2006, 07:19 PM	#18
STiJunki Senior STI Driver Car: 07 SWP Regular STi Location: Wilmington, DE Posts: 319 Join Date: Jun 2005 Trader Rating: (0)	You know.... it's funny how so many mags rate the EVO higher than the STi. Maybe they should do a long term test on both cars and see which they like better. If the EVO comes out on top, I'd be surprised but who knows.

02-14-2006, 07:39 PM	#19
*BoostJunkie* Sold My Soul For Mods Car: '05 CGM STi Fav Mod: Track Time Location: Bethesda, MD Posts: 6,454 Join Date: Jun 2004 Trader Rating: (12)	Man, I wonder if Subaru had just put a quicker steering rack on the STi how it would fare against the Evo in comparisons. Every mag loves its instant feedback and connected feel, which I feel is largely attributed to the much quicker rack (as well as the slightly wider tires and negative camber). Subaru could win these comparos so easily with just a few minor enhancements.

02-15-2006, 10:23 AM	#24
Seranin Professional STI Racer Car: '06 EB Evo IX / SSL Location: Eureka, CA Posts: 689 Join Date: Feb 2004 Trader Rating: (1)	nice magazine. I love that they release it in pdf... no real surprise on the results. i guess the real comparison will be when the next gen models come out. can subaru compete?

02-15-2006, 01:57 PM	#25
js3324 Junior STI Driver Car: 2006 STI Posts: 160 Join Date: Jul 2005 Trader Rating: (0)	I am not attacking the Evo, just so you know(i actually wanted one but the STI would be a daily driver...) If Subaru put say, -1.5 camber and the tires started wearing really fast you can bet there would be tons of people complaining and wanting new tires and an alignment and Subaru would probably appease these people. Whereas the mitsubishi dealers just tell their customers it's their fault (Now, of course subaru dealers do this as well just not as much)