Chris05STi's 2005 OBP STi Journal (Black Betty) Full-Race Goodies Ordered!!! - Page 37

uncle lewie · 06-07-2006, 08:25 PM

I got a ride tonite, in the rain. WOW! I was holding on for dear life, when we were doing 80 in the pouring rain.

Car, really does move. And it just keeps pulling.

lennyk1313 · 06-07-2006, 08:28 PM

HAHA Got to love the Meth

. I was driving in the rain today too and my tires were spining in the 1st, 2nd and 3rd gears lol. Play smart !!!

fourortwowheels · 06-07-2006, 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by evilSTi7

it doesn't read higher than other high reading dyno's. his car really does have a crap load of torque

you must be crazy to think that.

those are the highest tq numbers i have ever seen for a mid 12 second car. the hp seems right but that tq is just ridiculous. stock stis must dyno 260/260 or more on that dyno!

lets see what it traps, thats the true way to tell how much power its making. ill even wager it doesnt trap more than 111mph. cant really compare different dynos but you can comapre timeslips

chris needs to learn to launch

his trap really wont be effected as much as his e/t so we'll get a good idea from there whats really going on. ive run 12.4-7 all at 111mph. so my e/t varied 3tenths, but my mph was solid.

whens the next time your going to etown chris?

Chris05STi · 06-08-2006, 04:21 AM

Thanks guys for the positive comments.

I plan to go to E-Town next Wed. I don't like the idea of going to the 1/4 track, thats what I intend for the car, plus, the launches can't be good for it.

fourortwowheels · 06-08-2006, 10:13 AM

well you wouldnt even have to launch to really see whats going on. you should be able to just roll out like at a stop light and the trap will remain consistant. your launch will effect your e/t mostly, not so much your trap... your shifting on the other hand...

lemme know if your going this weds for sure, i want to go myself!

MacSTi · 06-08-2006, 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fourortwowheels

well you wouldnt even have to launch to really see whats going on. you should be able to just roll out like at a stop light and the trap will remain consistant. your launch will effect your e/t mostly, not so much your trap... your shifting on the other hand...

lemme know if your going this weds for sure, i want to go myself!

Just for a comparison, what kinda torque numbers are you running...

fourortwowheels · 06-08-2006, 10:26 PM

no clue my car is only road tuned for now. i still need to work out some bugs w/ the meth kit b4 we dyno. we are running really rich and leaving alot on the table... when i had dynod my car heres how it went;

www.pampenamotorsports.com (dynojet) -
stock - 239/237
just k&n - 241/245
k&n,fmic,headers,exhaust,fp,ecutek-18psi - 294/332 best et 12.71@106.35 best mph 108.01
same as above + meth + 11lb helper spring-23psi - ???/??? best et and mph in my sig.

ill wager my car is making 330/375 +/- a few. @xx stock stis would have to dyno 255-265 for those numbers to make sense to me. ive only dynod my car on a dynojet, roller dyno not a hub dyno. they are known for higher readings because you can manipulate load. txs and agile, 2 MD based tuners run dynapacks as well on the east coast. they dont read as high as xx though! **** doug's own home dyno is the highest reading dynojet in the country. bottom line is 400+ tq cars peak numbers or not shouldnt run 12s, thats a high reading dyno in my book. not to mention the car was dynod in the wrong gear.

here i go comparing dynos, you really cant compare unless the same 2 cars on the same day, right after ea other for real results. apples to apples, not apples to oranges

you can make dynos lie, but trap speeds dont lie!

Chris05STi · 06-09-2006, 04:46 AM

So I guess stock STi's that dyno run at XX-Tuning are in the 250's whp and wtq. And honestly, 5TH GEAR IS THE CORRECT GEAR to tune your car. Its the closest you can to a 1:1 ratio. 4th Gear is just to show you your #'s. Lenny can back me up on this, he knows more about it than me.

Evil XT · 06-09-2006, 10:41 AM

What happens when that stuff runs out @ full boost? Will you hear something go wrong?

Chris05STi · 06-09-2006, 10:45 AM

There is an indicator light that will warn me way before it will run out. I also have two maps: 1. Meth Protune, 2. Pump Protune. If Meth is low, and I can't fill it up, I pull over and switch maps to the Pump Protune, and I am good to go.

uncle lewie · 06-09-2006, 03:34 PM

Chris you are correct. 5th gear is closest to 1. The ratio is .971. Its amazing that XX tuning is willing to tune 5th gear. Must take longer, but you get more for your $$$$. I know of one dyno that doesnt go out of third, but most tune in 4th, for numbers, but still will be safe/and custom to what you want. From what Ive read on another thread (not this website), the higher the gear you are the more time spent building RPM and the more points you get on the plot/log.

fourortwowheels · 06-09-2006, 06:17 PM

evil, if there is a clog or the spray stops working, your engine @ high rpm goes boom! check out www.coolingmist.com they sell kits w/ failsafes built in, or you can add em to your smc or other brand.

best failsafe is an aware driver. always check your fluid levels, get a knock light! and a wideband! meth/alcohol/water is not to be taken lightly..

uncle lewie; every tuner ive ever known dynos wrx 5speeds in 3rd gear, and sti 6speeds in 4th gear, regardless of 1:1 ratios or whatever. the only real reason this car was dynod in 5th was 4th shook the dyno too bad. doug even said this in ne forum post. and 2, why tune for a gear the car is going to be in for the shortest amount of time. 4th is the money gear... especially for 1/4. and when the hell will you see 5th gear unless your on a straightaway on a track, youll never use it in autocross either, and if your doing 5th gear pulls on the street your endangering your own life and others. (even though we all do it

keep it at the track boys i just got my license back!!)

**evilSTi7** · 06-09-2006, 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fourortwowheels

uncle lewie; every tuner ive ever known dynos wrx 5speeds in 3rd gear, and sti 6speeds in 4th gear, regardless of 1:1 ratios or whatever. the only real reason this car was dynod in 5th was 4th shook the dyno too bad. doug even said this in ne forum post. and 2, why tune for a gear the car is going to be in for the shortest amount of time. 4th is the money gear... especially for 1/4. and when the hell will you see 5th gear unless your on a straightaway on a track, youll never use it in autocross either, and if your doing 5th gear pulls on the street your endangering your own life and others. (even though we all do it

keep it at the track boys i just got my license back!!)

it doesn't really matter what many of the tuners that you know do. the proper way to dyno a car is to use the gear that is closest to a 1:1 ratio, which is 5th on the sti. the only reason you would use 4th is to give the impression that a car makes more power and torque than it really does.

fourortwowheels · 06-09-2006, 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Lastly, advertising a specific torque curve derived from a DynaPack as anything other than "hey, gee... we made a line" seems disengenuous. Load algorythms for a Dynapack and with the car in 5th gear are often loaded exceptionally early, creating far earlier of a spool than you would experience in any of the first 4 gears on the street. i.e. the spool and curve is not what the owner will get

im not pulling this outta my ass, from what i read on the NE forum post about the dyno day, every1 there was told that 4th gear vibrates the dyno and thats the reason they do it in 5th, accompanied w/ 1:1 ratio. dynapacks are known for simulating load and BS tq numbers. bottom line is, 5th gear tuning is a dynapack only thing i guess. doug tunes 4th gear on all stis on topspeeds own in house dynojet!

the whp is dead on, its the TQ in question, you yourself said in that other thread, dynapacks read a "tad high." you cant honestly say this car has ~450wtq w/ a str8 face...

lastly, i dont want to litter this thread anymore w/ this. well let the mph do the talking...

uncle lewie · 06-10-2006, 05:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fourortwowheels

lastly, i dont want to litter this thread anymore w/ this. well let the mph do the talking...

Yeh. I wasnt posting to make an "argument." Just stuff I have read and gathered. I might be a new 06 owner, but have had a suby for the last 4 yrs. All in all it looks like Chris got a great tune. Like you said, the mph numbers dont lie.

06-07-2006, 08:25 PM	#541
uncle lewie Spec C Club Car: 06 Aspen White w. Go Fav Mod: teH Muff Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,045 Join Date: Apr 2006 Trader Rating: (7)	I got a ride tonite, in the rain. WOW! I was holding on for dear life, when we were doing 80 in the pouring rain. Car, really does move. And it just keeps pulling. This ad is not endorsed by this member. Please register or login to hide this ad.

06-08-2006, 10:26 PM	#547
fourortwowheels I'm a know it all. Ask me anything! Car: 07 FSXT - soon to be Location: stony brook, ny Posts: 227 Join Date: Oct 2005 Trader Rating: (5)	no clue my car is only road tuned for now. i still need to work out some bugs w/ the meth kit b4 we dyno. we are running really rich and leaving alot on the table... when i had dynod my car heres how it went; www.pampenamotorsports.com (dynojet) - stock - 239/237 just k&n - 241/245 k&n,fmic,headers,exhaust,fp,ecutek-18psi - 294/332 best et 12.71@106.35 best mph 108.01 same as above + meth + 11lb helper spring-23psi - ???/??? best et and mph in my sig. ill wager my car is making 330/375 +/- a few. @xx stock stis would have to dyno 255-265 for those numbers to make sense to me. ive only dynod my car on a dynojet, roller dyno not a hub dyno. they are known for higher readings because you can manipulate load. txs and agile, 2 MD based tuners run dynapacks as well on the east coast. they dont read as high as xx though! **** doug's own home dyno is the highest reading dynojet in the country. bottom line is 400+ tq cars peak numbers or not shouldnt run 12s, thats a high reading dyno in my book. not to mention the car was dynod in the wrong gear. here i go comparing dynos, you really cant compare unless the same 2 cars on the same day, right after ea other for real results. apples to apples, not apples to oranges you can make dynos lie, but trap speeds dont lie! Last edited by fourortwowheels : 06-08-2006 at 10:31 PM.

06-07-2006, 08:28 PM	#542
lennyk1313 Meth Junkie Car: Steel Gray 06 STI Location: Edison, NJ Posts: 933 Join Date: May 2004 Trader Rating: (4)	HAHA Got to love the Meth . I was driving in the rain today too and my tires were spining in the 1st, 2nd and 3rd gears lol. Play smart !!!

06-08-2006, 04:21 AM	#544
Chris05STi I Has a Turbo Timer Car: 2005 Subaru WRX STi Fav Mod: Every single one! Location: NJ Posts: 9,016 Join Date: Jun 2005 Trader Rating: (20)	Thanks guys for the positive comments. I plan to go to E-Town next Wed. I don't like the idea of going to the 1/4 track, thats what I intend for the car, plus, the launches can't be good for it.

06-08-2006, 10:13 AM	#545
fourortwowheels I'm a know it all. Ask me anything! Car: 07 FSXT - soon to be Location: stony brook, ny Posts: 227 Join Date: Oct 2005 Trader Rating: (5)	well you wouldnt even have to launch to really see whats going on. you should be able to just roll out like at a stop light and the trap will remain consistant. your launch will effect your e/t mostly, not so much your trap... your shifting on the other hand... lemme know if your going this weds for sure, i want to go myself!

06-09-2006, 04:46 AM	#548
Chris05STi I Has a Turbo Timer Car: 2005 Subaru WRX STi Fav Mod: Every single one! Location: NJ Posts: 9,016 Join Date: Jun 2005 Trader Rating: (20)	So I guess stock STi's that dyno run at XX-Tuning are in the 250's whp and wtq. And honestly, 5TH GEAR IS THE CORRECT GEAR to tune your car. Its the closest you can to a 1:1 ratio. 4th Gear is just to show you your #'s. Lenny can back me up on this, he knows more about it than me.

06-09-2006, 10:41 AM	#549
Evil XT Professional Forester XT Driver Car: 05 Forester(traded!) Fav Mod: The Fit is NO! Mini On the way! Location: NJ Posts: 290 Join Date: Dec 2005 Trader Rating: (5)	What happens when that stuff runs out @ full boost? Will you hear something go wrong?

06-09-2006, 10:45 AM	#550
Chris05STi I Has a Turbo Timer Car: 2005 Subaru WRX STi Fav Mod: Every single one! Location: NJ Posts: 9,016 Join Date: Jun 2005 Trader Rating: (20)	There is an indicator light that will warn me way before it will run out. I also have two maps: 1. Meth Protune, 2. Pump Protune. If Meth is low, and I can't fill it up, I pull over and switch maps to the Pump Protune, and I am good to go.

06-09-2006, 03:34 PM	#551
uncle lewie Spec C Club Car: 06 Aspen White w. Go Fav Mod: teH Muff Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,045 Join Date: Apr 2006 Trader Rating: (7)	Chris you are correct. 5th gear is closest to 1. The ratio is .971. Its amazing that XX tuning is willing to tune 5th gear. Must take longer, but you get more for your $$$$. I know of one dyno that doesnt go out of third, but most tune in 4th, for numbers, but still will be safe/and custom to what you want. From what Ive read on another thread (not this website), the higher the gear you are the more time spent building RPM and the more points you get on the plot/log.

06-09-2006, 06:17 PM	#552
fourortwowheels I'm a know it all. Ask me anything! Car: 07 FSXT - soon to be Location: stony brook, ny Posts: 227 Join Date: Oct 2005 Trader Rating: (5)	evil, if there is a clog or the spray stops working, your engine @ high rpm goes boom! check out www.coolingmist.com they sell kits w/ failsafes built in, or you can add em to your smc or other brand. best failsafe is an aware driver. always check your fluid levels, get a knock light! and a wideband! meth/alcohol/water is not to be taken lightly.. uncle lewie; every tuner ive ever known dynos wrx 5speeds in 3rd gear, and sti 6speeds in 4th gear, regardless of 1:1 ratios or whatever. the only real reason this car was dynod in 5th was 4th shook the dyno too bad. doug even said this in ne forum post. and 2, why tune for a gear the car is going to be in for the shortest amount of time. 4th is the money gear... especially for 1/4. and when the hell will you see 5th gear unless your on a straightaway on a track, youll never use it in autocross either, and if your doing 5th gear pulls on the street your endangering your own life and others. (even though we all do it keep it at the track boys i just got my license back!!)