HSPN / IWSTI Race Car (OMG not again! See post 1109) - Page 34

**GZA** · 02-07-2006, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben

Thanks for the explanation. You are right, it's very hard to express tone, body language, and sarcasm on the internet, and I was probably misinterpreting your questions.

I have never once promoted a product and not backed it up with real information though

. You never even gave me a chance today. I told you that APR was going to send the stuff on Friday and before I even get a chance to put it on the car and let you know what my impressions were you started bombarding me with things like:

"its pure show and no go..."
"that splitter looks gross

"

You can see why I might get the wrong impression right? Those kinds of comments don't make me think you're curious or asking questions at all.

Once again, you weren't asking a question, but I'll give you an answer anyway.

It's not at all a street car, nor is it street legal. I no longer drive it to the track, the registration is not going to be renewed, and it no longer has regular car insurance. I don't see how you could call a car with no interior, no seat belts, no airbags, (no air conditioning this week), and a roll cage a street car, but that's your opinion. As far as a category, it's currently in NASA Class B with the mods it has. This class is where Porsche 996 Turbos, Corvette C6's, and the like, start in stock. Right now my car pulls near identical (or faster) lap times to Porsche GT3's, GT2's, Ferrari 360 CS's and 430's so it's safe to say that my car can most definitely compete with (and destroy) any of those class B cars. I don't exactly see how it "couldn't be a competitor." I might also add that when you go to a car show and see "race cars" 90% of them don't even run, so my car is more of a race car than most of the cars you would see at SEMA or other shows.

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I think aspen just got PWNED

***Nachos Libres*** · 02-07-2006, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben

I've tried various setups in other cars, such as the Zeals, Cuscos, etc, and I just like the way the TEINs react. With the car as stiff as it is, having a slightly softer suspension is NOT a bad thing. The tracks in california are fairly bumpy in places and the TEIN suspensions absorbs the bumps and makes them disapear. It's VERY very compliant. A stiffer suspension hops over them, and everytime the suspension gets upset by a bump, you lose traction and you're slower.

A lot of people thought it was strange to run the TEIN's on my car, but after going for a ride, the questions went away

. Basically, other than some infinitely adjustable $4,000+ setup, the TEIN's are the way to go; atleast for me. Right now there is more time to be made with Aero and weight loss than changing my suspension. It's very well dialed in right now, so it's one of those "don't fix it if it ain't broken" type of deals.

I'm glad to hear this, as I was wanting to go with TEIN's when I upgrade my suspension. I'll have no worries now.

aspensti05 · 02-07-2006, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben

"that splitter looks gross

"

No plans to argue with you, esp over the internet, but for the record that comment was about that white car and only the white car(I included the pic with my post). I meant it in NO way towards your car. The white car with the lip just tossed on there looks horrible IMHO.

I think the middle section of a v limited lip would be the perfect fit and I already suggested that a few posts back. Obviously hacking up a real V-limited lip would be a waste of money so I suggested a cheap replica.

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Originally Posted by Ben

It's not at all a street car, nor is it street legal. I no longer drive it to the track, the registration is not going to be renewed, and it no longer has regular car insurance. I don't see how you could call a car with no interior, no seat belts, no airbags, (no air conditioning this week), and a roll cage a street car, but that's your opinion.

First off, that is awesome! Congrats and now you can call it a true "race" car. What are you using to tow it to the track? Enclosed or open trailer? Any pics. (these are just questions nothing more)

Again for the record last you told me, it had a plate, registration and you didn't have a way to tow it to the track so you were driving it in race form to and from the track. THAT's why I considered it a street car. Nor sure where the SEMA comment came from but I don't care at all about "show cars" that's not my thing and never has been. If someone wants to dump thousands of dollars into making a show race car whatever I don't have any interest.

Hope we are on the same page now.

Swine · 02-07-2006, 06:16 PM

There is nothing wrong with asking questions or questioning someones motive for doing a certain mod. I didnt think you did anything wrong aspen.

**Ben** · 02-07-2006, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by aspensti05

Hope we are on the same page now.

Definitely

and thanks for clearing that up.

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Originally Posted by aspensti05

I think the middle section of a v limited lip would be the perfect fit and I already suggested that a few posts back. Obviously hacking up a real V-limited lip would be a waste of money so I suggested a cheap replica.

I think that's a great idea. I will probably end up sacrificing a TRU lip spoiler and we'll see how it works

.

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Originally Posted by aspensti05

First off, that is awesome! Congrats and now you can call it a true "race" car. What are you using to tow it to the track? Enclosed or open trailer? Any pics.

I borrowed a friends truck and enclosed trailer the last 2 events, but I am getting rid of the wagon on thursday (sniffle

) and picking up a new F150 with the 5.6L V8. They're pretty cheap with the rebates that are going on now and tow 9,000 lbs, so I couldn't say no.

I will probably be borrowing a friend's trailer for a month or so until I decide on which one to get. I would like an enclosed one, but I don't know if I can justify it

. I will most likely cheap out and get an open trailer.

**Ben** · 02-07-2006, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SVT Amateur

I'm glad to hear this, as I was wanting to go with TEIN's when I upgrade my suspension. I'll have no worries now.

You definitely will not be disapointed. They ride better than stock on the street and are AWESOME on the track. They also drop about 30 lbs off your car and are VERY reasonably priced. In fact, the only negative things you ever hear about the TEIN's is that they are going to be "low quality" or "garbage" because they're so cheap. Couldn't be further from the truth

. I have the Whiteline Group 4's on my wagon that cost about $1000 more than the TEIN's and the TEIN's are superior in every way: more comfortable for street, better track peformance, higher quality, and EDFC just plain rocks.

munky69 · 02-07-2006, 06:56 PM

another tein beleiver!! i totaly agree, i love mine. i never did weigh them vs stock though,30 pounds huh,now i know

**Ben** · 02-07-2006, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by munky69

another tein beleiver!! i totaly agree, i love mine. i never did weigh them vs stock though,30 pounds huh,now i know

~10 lbs each front strut, and ~5 lbs for each rear strut

.

<--- TEIN believer all the way.

AndrewSS · 02-07-2006, 07:06 PM

hey ben, have you seen those canards on the front fenders of the STi that ran in that 24hr race, car and driver covered it their editor was one of the drivers. I think it was a ESX run STi. Anyway they had custom canards on the fenders, I cant remeber a lot of the details but I was wondering if you have seen those.

**Ben** · 02-07-2006, 07:11 PM

The ones that looked like giant wings coming out the fenders?

I saw it in some magazine...those things were rediculous! They stuck out about a foot. Looked like more drag than downforce to me, but I wouldn't be suprised if they really worked.

**Ben** · 02-07-2006, 07:12 PM

Found it!

I find it funny that they have wings coming out of the fenders (presumably for aerodynamics) but have the stock mirrors.

InfamousDX · 02-07-2006, 07:24 PM

Can't get over that beautiful fender vent/duct!

**GZA** · 02-07-2006, 10:17 PM

Sorry if someone already asked this, but is the fender dangerous to use when it's wet out due to water ingestion? Or is there something to prevent that?

East Bay STi · 02-07-2006, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben

I will probably be borrowing a friend's trailer for a month or so until I decide on which one to get. I would like an enclosed one, but I don't know if I can justify it

. I will most likely cheap out and get an open trailer.

Bad idea.......Personally being in the Honda Challenge, USTCC, and World Challenge, I would say get the enclosed trailer. A little more now will save you the pain and heartache later. Trust me, we went from a open to an enclosed trailer. Especially for us, we run no drivers side and passenger side window, so if it rains, tough pooh!! Also and enclosed unit will give you shelter, use it as a changing room, and power napping room. Also great for saving money on hotels, just sleep in it over night, and use the facilities at the track instead. All in all enclosed is a much better option to go for, there are countless reasons as to why you should get one. Good luck, hope to see you on the track sometime soon.

-Gio

**Ben** · 02-07-2006, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by GZA

Sorry if someone already asked this, but is the fender dangerous to use when it's wet out due to water ingestion? Or is there something to prevent that?

You could easily mate it up with the stock water drain, but the way mine is set up there is no drain. It's a direct line / vacuum so I stuff a rag in it when I wash the car, and I never drive in the rain so that's not a problem.

02-07-2006, 07:12 PM	#506
Ben Retired Admin Car: 2006 Audi S4 Fav Mod: Weight Loss Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 2,848 Join Date: Dec 1969 Trader Rating: (11)	Found it! I find it funny that they have wings coming out of the fenders (presumably for aerodynamics) but have the stock mirrors. Last edited by Ben : 02-07-2006 at 07:16 PM.

02-07-2006, 06:16 PM	#499
Swine Professional STI Racer Car: 02 Aspen White WRX Fav Mod: wrx-->sti Location: Alpharetta,Ga-Auburn,Al Posts: 705 Join Date: May 2005 Trader Rating: (2)	There is nothing wrong with asking questions or questioning someones motive for doing a certain mod. I didnt think you did anything wrong aspen.

02-07-2006, 06:56 PM	#502
munky69 S204 Racer Car: 04 STi, 06 Altima Fav Mod: jailbreak Location: SOsocal Posts: 3,011 Join Date: Aug 2003 Trader Rating: (2)	another tein beleiver!! i totaly agree, i love mine. i never did weigh them vs stock though,30 pounds huh,now i know

02-07-2006, 07:06 PM	#504
AndrewSS S204 Racer Car: 05 Subaru WRX STi Fav Mod: RCE T2 Coilovers Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 4,642 Join Date: Jun 2005 Trader Rating: (21)	hey ben, have you seen those canards on the front fenders of the STi that ran in that 24hr race, car and driver covered it their editor was one of the drivers. I think it was a ESX run STi. Anyway they had custom canards on the fenders, I cant remeber a lot of the details but I was wondering if you have seen those.

02-07-2006, 07:11 PM	#505
Ben Retired Admin Car: 2006 Audi S4 Fav Mod: Weight Loss Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 2,848 Join Date: Dec 1969 Trader Rating: (11)	The ones that looked like giant wings coming out the fenders? I saw it in some magazine...those things were rediculous! They stuck out about a foot. Looked like more drag than downforce to me, but I wouldn't be suprised if they really worked.

02-07-2006, 07:24 PM	#507
InfamousDX STI Driver Car: 03 Subaru WRX Location: Bergen NJ Posts: 217 Join Date: Dec 2005 Trader Rating: (0)	Can't get over that beautiful fender vent/duct!

02-07-2006, 10:17 PM	#508
GZA Super Moderator Car: 2005 STi Location: Irvine/Bakersfield, Ca. Posts: 1,300 Join Date: Mar 2005 Trader Rating: (6)	Sorry if someone already asked this, but is the fender dangerous to use when it's wet out due to water ingestion? Or is there something to prevent that?