CUTN EDG: the 1600cc injs are installed - Page 27

***Neanderthal Racing*** · 11-26-2005, 06:20 PM

an update to the update

the new plugs are in and set to .028. i did a 4th gear pull on the way home with 20 lbs. of boost and it is a smooth, linear hit you hard in the seat freakin' rush. i'll give her a good back road spanking tommorow.

a couple of other interesting subjects came up yesterday:
- phil brought up the subject of running nitro methane through aquamist this spring.
- at one point he looked up from his laptop to remark how much faster my crawford stroker is spooling up vs what he sees with stock shortblocks. i think building this project around the crawford s4 was the best decision i made.
- the funniest moment: phil looked up from his laptop and said "it really drops off after 6800 rpm...you could use cams."
eatv8 and i both looked at eachother and broke out laughing. where is davenow is when you need him? (isfh)
- we'll be installing rc 1000cc injectors and a top feed fuel rail as soon as we arrive back in md in early spring for a monster dyno tune (i'll be looking to sell my perrin fuel rail and perin 816cc modified injectors when i do).
- little ricky is going to cook me up a grounding kit. phil was only getting 12.9-13.1 volts.
- my cusco catch can is totally inadequate so i'm getting the one phil uses on his car. i'll take some pics when i get it but it's supposed to be a huge improvement.

esemes · 11-26-2005, 06:55 PM

**SALIVATES*****

(even more!!)

sounds great BC.......

Q-- why not try the SMC methanol kit, with progressive controller??

its a proven thing, and will def. give you more performance, & the added safety to run higher igntn. ontop of it........

are you using the nitro to aid spool??? i have never actually seen this done, ifso....

***Neanderthal Racing*** · 11-26-2005, 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by esemes

Q-- why not try the SMC methanol kit, with progressive controller??

because hydra and aquamist go together like absolut and oj, esemes (isfh).

hydra can run another set of injectors and phil spent a lot of time working out the interface between them.

esemes · 11-26-2005, 07:10 PM

gotcha!!

your tuner support/relations is superb.

paramount to the enitre project, IMO......

keep us posted on this!! (and the turbo 4-1-1)

ese

***Neanderthal Racing*** · 11-26-2005, 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wdb

So Bruce, you drive right through my backyard and don't tell me about it? Thanks buddy! (isfh)

nothing personal, wdb, but the less time i spend in jersey the better.
(i hear jersey feels the same way about me)

next time.

***evilSTi7*** · 11-26-2005, 11:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BruceChapman

nothing personal, wdb, but the less time i spend in jersey the better.
(i hear jersey feels the same way about me)

next time.

well, i think it's more of the cops in jersey than jersey as a whole. although, i don't see any reason for nj cops not to like you

good to hear everything went well. i still haven't gone for a drive in your car! this is aboslutely unacceptable, lol.

***Neanderthal Racing*** · 11-27-2005, 10:47 AM

i just spanked her during my breakfast run.
my lap is so sticky, i'm stuck to the seat.

Wazazell · 11-27-2005, 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BruceChapman

i just spanked her during my breakfast run.
my lap is so sticky, i'm stuck to the seat.

"her" is the car, right??? haha

***evilSTi7*** · 11-27-2005, 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wazazell

"her" is the car, right??? haha

BWAHAHAHAHAHA i bet it's not.

sachin · 11-27-2005, 01:04 PM

How many RPMs sooner did you reach full boost in 4th/5th/6th with the S4? I'm confused as to whether you're revving easier to boosting earlier...mayhaps a little of both? This nitromethane business sounds interesting...I switched my plans up a little bit more--keeping the gt3040 and going with a hydra instead of utec/ecutek combo.

Flycaster · 11-27-2005, 05:41 PM

I could be wrong, but I think Bruce's point is the extra displacement and exhaust flow is resulting in higher turbine speed at any rpm. Makes sense to me anyway....

***Neanderthal Racing*** · 11-27-2005, 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flycaster

I could be wrong, but I think Bruce's point is the extra displacement and exhaust flow is resulting in higher turbine speed at any rpm.

...and stroke. i'll ask phil to elaborate on what he saw.

eatV8 · 11-27-2005, 07:12 PM

I am almost certain thats what Phil was referring to. Well it is the way I took it.

sachin · 11-27-2005, 09:57 PM

Well I looked into nitromethane injection...

A product of nitromethane combustion is oxygen(nitromethane is 50% oxygen)...so it feeds it's own combustion to some extent..you will run leaner with nitromethane--so a good balance is to inject a balance of methanol to richen up the mixture. Nitromethane is $25-30/gallon.

Nitromethane burns very hot. An evo guy injected 10% nitromethane and burned his pistons and fried his spark plugs. So spark plugs are an issue...

Nitromethane burns very, very slowly. So it requires a lot of timing or you're going to have nitromethane exploding in your exhaust manifold. Igniting and controlling the burn isn't easy.

All you need is teflon seals for your aquamist system and nitromethane can be injected without risk of damage to the equipment.

It looks like Phil has his work set out for him on this.

XxSCAxX · 11-28-2005, 01:39 AM

bruce, i just wanted to say...

you car sucks. so im going to save you and you can trade with me. you dont have to give me money, just an even straight up trade. i know, im generous.

congrats on your build, and good luck with it. if you are ever in the rockland area please let me know, id love a ride in this sucker!

11-26-2005, 06:20 PM	#391
*Neanderthal Racing* GT R US Car: CUTN EDG project Fav Mod: $20. mudflaps from auto zone Location: my cave Posts: 5,889 IWSTI Addict since: Dec 2003 Trader Rating: (1)	an update to the update the new plugs are in and set to .028. i did a 4th gear pull on the way home with 20 lbs. of boost and it is a smooth, linear hit you hard in the seat freakin' rush. i'll give her a good back road spanking tommorow. a couple of other interesting subjects came up yesterday: - phil brought up the subject of running nitro methane through aquamist this spring. - at one point he looked up from his laptop to remark how much faster my crawford stroker is spooling up vs what he sees with stock shortblocks. i think building this project around the crawford s4 was the best decision i made. - the funniest moment: phil looked up from his laptop and said "it really drops off after 6800 rpm...you could use cams." eatv8 and i both looked at eachother and broke out laughing. where is davenow is when you need him? (isfh) - we'll be installing rc 1000cc injectors and a top feed fuel rail as soon as we arrive back in md in early spring for a monster dyno tune (i'll be looking to sell my perrin fuel rail and perin 816cc modified injectors when i do). - little ricky is going to cook me up a grounding kit. phil was only getting 12.9-13.1 volts. - my cusco catch can is totally inadequate so i'm getting the one phil uses on his car. i'll take some pics when i get it but it's supposed to be a huge improvement. This ad is not endorsed by this member. Please register or login to hide this ad. Last edited by Neanderthal Racing; 11-26-2005 at 06:40 PM.

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XxSCAxX Spec C Club Car: 05 AW 30r STi Fav Mod: Perrin 30r Kit Location: Campbell Hall, NY Posts: 1,552 IWSTI Addict since: Apr 2005 Trader Rating: (5)	bruce, i just wanted to say... you car sucks. so im going to save you and you can trade with me. you dont have to give me money, just an even straight up trade. i know, im generous. congrats on your build, and good luck with it. if you are ever in the rockland area please let me know, id love a ride in this sucker! This ad is not endorsed by this member. Please register or login to hide this ad.

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11-26-2005, 06:55 PM	#392
esemes S204 Racer Car: 996TT Location: clearh²o, FL Posts: 4,756 IWSTI Addict since: Jul 2004 Trader Rating: (12)	SALIVATES*** (even more!!) sounds great BC....... Q-- why not try the SMC methanol kit, with progressive controller?? its a proven thing, and will def. give you more performance, & the added safety to run higher igntn. ontop of it........ are you using the nitro to aid spool??? i have never actually seen this done, ifso....

11-26-2005, 07:10 PM	#394
esemes S204 Racer Car: 996TT Location: clearh²o, FL Posts: 4,756 IWSTI Addict since: Jul 2004 Trader Rating: (12)	gotcha!! your tuner support/relations is superb. paramount to the enitre project, IMO...... keep us posted on this!! (and the turbo 4-1-1) ese

11-27-2005, 10:47 AM	#397
*Neanderthal Racing* GT R US Car: CUTN EDG project Fav Mod: $20. mudflaps from auto zone Location: my cave Posts: 5,889 IWSTI Addict since: Dec 2003 Trader Rating: (1)	i just spanked her during my breakfast run. my lap is so sticky, i'm stuck to the seat.

11-27-2005, 01:04 PM	#400
sachin Spec C Club Car: 04 STi Fav Mod: sleeved ej257 + GT35R Location: Southern California Posts: 1,205 IWSTI Addict since: Jun 2004 Trader Rating: (0)	How many RPMs sooner did you reach full boost in 4th/5th/6th with the S4? I'm confused as to whether you're revving easier to boosting earlier...mayhaps a little of both? This nitromethane business sounds interesting...I switched my plans up a little bit more--keeping the gt3040 and going with a hydra instead of utec/ecutek combo.

11-27-2005, 05:41 PM	#401
Flycaster S204 Racer Posts: 3,047 IWSTI Addict since: Apr 2004 Trader Rating: (0)	I could be wrong, but I think Bruce's point is the extra displacement and exhaust flow is resulting in higher turbine speed at any rpm. Makes sense to me anyway....

11-27-2005, 07:12 PM	#403
eatV8 retired mod Car: 99 WRX STi V5 Fav Mod: JDM Air Freshener Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 3,860 IWSTI Addict since: Apr 2003 Trader Rating: (0)	I am almost certain thats what Phil was referring to. Well it is the way I took it.

11-27-2005, 09:57 PM	#404
sachin Spec C Club Car: 04 STi Fav Mod: sleeved ej257 + GT35R Location: Southern California Posts: 1,205 IWSTI Addict since: Jun 2004 Trader Rating: (0)	Well I looked into nitromethane injection... A product of nitromethane combustion is oxygen(nitromethane is 50% oxygen)...so it feeds it's own combustion to some extent..you will run leaner with nitromethane--so a good balance is to inject a balance of methanol to richen up the mixture. Nitromethane is $25-30/gallon. Nitromethane burns very hot. An evo guy injected 10% nitromethane and burned his pistons and fried his spark plugs. So spark plugs are an issue... Nitromethane burns very, very slowly. So it requires a lot of timing or you're going to have nitromethane exploding in your exhaust manifold. Igniting and controlling the burn isn't easy. All you need is teflon seals for your aquamist system and nitromethane can be injected without risk of damage to the equipment. It looks like Phil has his work set out for him on this.