CUTN EDG: the 1600cc injs are installed - Page 105

***Neanderthal Racing*** · 09-13-2006, 06:22 PM

valve timing update:

we finally got down to it tonight. everything in front of the timing cover came out, and then the timing cover itself. we found the belt and gears were all lined up on their marks and everything in order. the belt and tensioners came off and the intake cam gears were removed. once the passenger side cam end was exposed we removed the valve cover, allowing us to drop light into the hole at the end of the cam to confirm that the oil passage and relief hole needed to operate the avcs was present and accounted for. much to my surprize, the holes seem to be correct and it is not the oil passage problem that has recently surfaced over on nasioc on another set of kelford's. although we only removed the passenger side timing cover, we can confirm that the oil hole itself is in the drivers side intake cam. we'll remove the cover tomorrow to make sure the relief hole is there, too, but it seems unlikely it isn't.

so, now what? we might run the intake cam gears down to colonial subaru to see if they can see anything wrong with them, so we haven't ruled them out as the problem. meanwhile, we'll do a compression and leakdown test to rule out a more significant cam timing issue or defect or some other explanation.

at the moment i am relieved that the oil passage situation has been ruled out but perplexed as what it will turn out to be. depending on the results of the leakdown test, we may be able to avoid pulling the motor.

Chris05STi · 09-13-2006, 06:50 PM

Good news Bruce, but it sucks you don't know what the problem is. Good luck buddy!!

***Neanderthal Racing*** · 09-13-2006, 07:24 PM

i was sure we were going to find non avcs cams sitting in there, chris. the leakdown test should tell the story. if the cam timing is so far off that we're seeing a 50% power loss, we'll hear it coming out the exhaust. pray for quiet.

***520*** · 09-13-2006, 07:35 PM

*crosses fingers*

JJ18Sniper · 09-13-2006, 07:57 PM

good luck bruce!

SabreOfSD · 09-13-2006, 08:46 PM

Good luck Bruce! Your car came up at the DCAWD meet tonight

We're all pulling for ya.

***evilSTi7*** · 09-13-2006, 10:14 PM

hmmm, like you said im glad it's not the cams, but now your left with a pretty big field of reasons why it's not making power. def keep us updated

oh, and i saw this and immediately thought of you

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060913/...NlYwN5bmNhdA--

**Majin** · 09-14-2006, 07:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by evilSTi7

oh, and i saw this and immediately thought of you

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060913/...NlYwN5bmNhdA--

good luck Bruce!

Flycaster · 09-14-2006, 08:16 AM

Jeeze, eliminate one variable and end up with 3. Do you ever feel like you're trying to climb in scree?

***Neanderthal Racing*** · 09-14-2006, 08:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by evilSTi7

oh, and i saw this and immediately thought of you
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060913/...NlYwN5bmNhdA--

there are a couple of great geico commercials featuring neanderthals. we're "in", baby.

donmei · 09-15-2006, 12:58 PM

I don't remember the details, but what was your egt during the dyno pulls? Was it low?

Also assuming A:F ratios and boost levels were more or less normal.

Don

***Neanderthal Racing*** · 09-19-2006, 11:33 AM

breaking news:

automaster of westchester is taking over the mechanical work on the cutn edg project. i have no other details to share just yet. i am on my way to meet the flatbed.

SabreOfSD · 09-19-2006, 11:40 AM

Oh WOW, so I guess little Ricky is out... that sucks, sounded like a good guy. Good luck with everything as always Bruce!

**spazegun2213** · 09-19-2006, 11:41 AM

Well i guess thats a step in the right direction. But you will have to explain why later.
good luck!

**Interior Flaire** · 09-19-2006, 11:58 AM

Your fired!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Poor old Subie on a flatbed......

CB

09-13-2006, 06:22 PM	#1561
*Neanderthal Racing* GT R US Car: CUTN EDG project Fav Mod: $20. mudflaps from auto zone Location: my cave Posts: 5,889 IWSTI Addict since: Dec 2003 Trader Rating: (1)	valve timing update: we finally got down to it tonight. everything in front of the timing cover came out, and then the timing cover itself. we found the belt and gears were all lined up on their marks and everything in order. the belt and tensioners came off and the intake cam gears were removed. once the passenger side cam end was exposed we removed the valve cover, allowing us to drop light into the hole at the end of the cam to confirm that the oil passage and relief hole needed to operate the avcs was present and accounted for. much to my surprize, the holes seem to be correct and it is not the oil passage problem that has recently surfaced over on nasioc on another set of kelford's. although we only removed the passenger side timing cover, we can confirm that the oil hole itself is in the drivers side intake cam. we'll remove the cover tomorrow to make sure the relief hole is there, too, but it seems unlikely it isn't. so, now what? we might run the intake cam gears down to colonial subaru to see if they can see anything wrong with them, so we haven't ruled them out as the problem. meanwhile, we'll do a compression and leakdown test to rule out a more significant cam timing issue or defect or some other explanation. at the moment i am relieved that the oil passage situation has been ruled out but perplexed as what it will turn out to be. depending on the results of the leakdown test, we may be able to avoid pulling the motor. This ad is not endorsed by this member. Please register or login to hide this ad.

09-19-2006, 11:58 AM	#1575
Interior Flaire Authorized Vendor Car: 05 PSM Stage 4 Fav Mod: Pro-Tune Location: Big D Posts: 1,782 IWSTI Addict since: Apr 2005 Trader Rating: (17)	Your fired!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Poor old Subie on a flatbed...... CB This ad is not endorsed by this member. Please register or login to hide this ad.

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09-13-2006, 06:50 PM	#1562
Chris05STi I Has a Turbo Timer Car: 2005 Subaru WRX STi Fav Mod: Every single one! Location: NJ Posts: 10,105 IWSTI Addict since: Jun 2005 Trader Rating: (30)	Good news Bruce, but it sucks you don't know what the problem is. Good luck buddy!!

09-13-2006, 07:24 PM	#1563
*Neanderthal Racing* GT R US Car: CUTN EDG project Fav Mod: $20. mudflaps from auto zone Location: my cave Posts: 5,889 IWSTI Addict since: Dec 2003 Trader Rating: (1)	i was sure we were going to find non avcs cams sitting in there, chris. the leakdown test should tell the story. if the cam timing is so far off that we're seeing a 50% power loss, we'll hear it coming out the exhaust. pray for quiet.

09-13-2006, 07:35 PM	#1564
*520* STi > EVO... Wait what??? Car: 03 EVO Fav Mod: stock :( Location: Michigan / Saint Louis Posts: 12,394 IWSTI Addict since: Oct 2005 Trader Rating: (1)	crosses fingers

09-13-2006, 07:57 PM	#1565
JJ18Sniper Silver Member Car: 05 Subaru WRX STi Fav Mod: DB 20G, Diamond Black BBS RE's, S2K retrofit Location: NY Posts: 4,638 IWSTI Addict since: Jul 2004 Trader Rating: (7)	good luck bruce!

09-13-2006, 08:46 PM	#1566
SabreOfSD Spec C Club Car: www.dcawd.com Fav Mod: Hydra Location: Northern VA Posts: 1,014 IWSTI Addict since: Oct 2003 Trader Rating: (0)	Good luck Bruce! Your car came up at the DCAWD meet tonight We're all pulling for ya.

09-13-2006, 10:14 PM	#1567
*evilSTi7* The Hoff Fan Club, member #001 Car: 05 WRB/Gold Fav Mod: Hood Scoop Homer Location: Where ever The Hoff is! Posts: 10,373 IWSTI Addict since: Jul 2004 Trader Rating: (4)	hmmm, like you said im glad it's not the cams, but now your left with a pretty big field of reasons why it's not making power. def keep us updated oh, and i saw this and immediately thought of you http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060913/...NlYwN5bmNhdA--

09-14-2006, 08:16 AM	#1569
Flycaster S204 Racer Posts: 3,047 IWSTI Addict since: Apr 2004 Trader Rating: (0)	Jeeze, eliminate one variable and end up with 3. Do you ever feel like you're trying to climb in scree?

09-15-2006, 12:58 PM	#1571
donmei S204 Racer Car: 04 WRB STi Fav Mod: Trailer Hitch Location: CT, U.S.A. Posts: 3,139 IWSTI Addict since: Feb 2004 Trader Rating: (0)	I don't remember the details, but what was your egt during the dyno pulls? Was it low? Also assuming A:F ratios and boost levels were more or less normal. Don

09-19-2006, 11:33 AM	#1572
*Neanderthal Racing* GT R US Car: CUTN EDG project Fav Mod: $20. mudflaps from auto zone Location: my cave Posts: 5,889 IWSTI Addict since: Dec 2003 Trader Rating: (1)	breaking news: automaster of westchester is taking over the mechanical work on the cutn edg project. i have no other details to share just yet. i am on my way to meet the flatbed.

09-19-2006, 11:40 AM	#1573
SabreOfSD Spec C Club Car: www.dcawd.com Fav Mod: Hydra Location: Northern VA Posts: 1,014 IWSTI Addict since: Oct 2003 Trader Rating: (0)	Oh WOW, so I guess little Ricky is out... that sucks, sounded like a good guy. Good luck with everything as always Bruce!

09-19-2006, 11:41 AM	#1574
spazegun2213 Poor Speed Racer Car: 96 328 Fav Mod: Tightening the nut behind the wheel! Location: Northern VA Posts: 8,446 IWSTI Addict since: Mar 2005 Trader Rating: (8)	Well i guess thats a step in the right direction. But you will have to explain why later. good luck!