CUTN EDG: the 1600cc injs are installed - Page 37

**CicioSTi** · 01-20-2006, 09:07 AM

always out of the loop *iffh*

Wazazell · 01-20-2006, 01:17 PM

you should start a thread whining about..... well something... and then go pout about... something else that's probably trivial. haha

I can't wait to hear that "slight lope at idle". :drool:

If only the engine could have a high static compression ratio, I bet the sound would be devastating at idle!

**CicioSTi** · 01-20-2006, 01:32 PM

Quote:

you should start a thread whining about..... well something... and then go pout about... something else that's probably trivial. haha

was that directed at me, cause I was just playing around.

RacerXS · 01-20-2006, 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CicioSTi

was that directed at me, cause I was just playing around.

Don't be so paranoid Cicio

***Neanderthal Racing*** · 01-20-2006, 01:40 PM

no, cicio. he was describing davenow's..er...modus operandi.

**CicioSTi** · 01-20-2006, 01:51 PM

again...out of the loop..sorry! My bad *isfh*

Wazazell · 01-23-2006, 10:26 AM

haha, sorry Cicio. I didn't mean you.

Adam · 01-23-2006, 10:44 AM

Bruce, any update on the oil problem?

Ap

***evilSTi7*** · 01-23-2006, 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BruceChapman

help me help me...my brain and body has been taken over by davenow.
{{{eyes rolling in head}}}
this is not my idea...this is not my idea...

fight it bruce, fight it! you beat him once you can beat him again!

OvrPSId · 01-24-2006, 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BruceChapman

no, cicio. he was describing davenow's..er...modus operandi.

I remember Davenow, he was starting his month long departure from the forum as I was just signing up (Screw you guys, I'm going home), I wonder if he looks like a Cartman

Every post of his I read reminded me of all the "professionals" in the movie Man on Fire, when put to the test, they new nothing... but they were professionals.

dareseven · 01-25-2006, 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OvrPSId

I remember Davenow, he was starting his month long departure from the forum as I was just signing up (Screw you guys, I'm going home), I wonder if he looks like a Cartman

Every post of his I read reminded me of all the "professionals" in the movie Man on Fire, when put to the test, they new nothing... but they were professionals.

"I am a professional."--Chief of Police

"That's what everyone keeps saying, I am a professional."---Creasy

C4 and a timer drew a line between who was a professional and who was not....great movie. Almost as good as Collateral (Michael Mann is....the man).

Bruce, any new developments with the Porsche killer?

***Neanderthal Racing*** · 01-31-2006, 12:16 PM

shocking oil consumption cause identified:

introducing – the new “crawford bobblehead piston" design and warranty program

if you are familiar with me from iwsti or nasioc, you have probably made a couple of observations about me personally.

i may be funny but i don’t bs
i don’t whine when things break or go wrong. no crying. no histrionics. fix it and shut up.
i’ve been crawford performances greatest advocate. (i can be observed spontaneously blurting, “god bless quirt crawford” in my article on how to do a big project build). i have done everything i could to direct people to a crawford motor. i have probably motivated more people on iwsti to look into crawford motors than anyone else. in fact, i’ve sold more motors here for quirt than quirt has.
it is safe to say my cutn edg project is one of the most followed high performance projects in the us.
this season we will be campaigning the car at englishtown to get the project in shape for the evo challenge this year. last year, representing subaru, the bv team won, and the element tuning car came in 2nd for subies with an 11.6 or something, i hope phil does well but i can tell you the cutn edg car will be in the 10's by the shootout. if i don't have the talent to do it, my friend mike glasser will be the driver. he's a 100 lbs jockey who will also have a 6 sec pro modified ride this season. locally he is very accomplished.
by the end of the season we will make an effort to get cutn edg in one of the tuner mags. it shouldn't be that hard.

now, given all that, even if you are a complete weasel, you should at least have enough business sense to do almost anything to avoid the abject humiliation that is about to hit you in the head when you realize that a fairly decent writer is about to expose a major technical problem with your motors and, this is much worse, a major character flaw in your personality. unfortunately, quirt does not have it in him to acknowledge his f**k ups and "own" them as a man should. it is about to be his downfall.

it's like having someone accidently break a vase at your house and you have it captured on video. he says, the dog did it. you say, but i have it on video. he says, it wasn't me...it was the dog. talking to quirt and his business partner, chris, is just like that. what makes the episode so shocking is, if he will do this to me, you know he will do it to anyone else and that is exactly why i am posting this in the manner that i am. There is at least one more motor out here in exactly the same condition as mine. Most of the people buying crawford motors are kids compared to me. Quirt’s problem with me is that i am as old as he is with a lot more resources and my own law firm. i sue state attorney’s general for sport. quirt's not a pimple on my ass. that's not a threat; i would never threaten legal action because that is illegal. it is simply a cold hard fact.

i have done everything i can to telegraph the disaster that quirt crawford’s character flaw is about to create for himself and, unfortunately for the people who work for him. this breaks my heart and that is no exaggeration. this is going to haunt crawford performance throughout the subaru world. they are about to become the motor building equivelent of vivid racing (vivid is cringing right now from the association with crawford performance). you can forgive someone for a mistake. it is harder to forgive someone when they lack good character.

So here it is; this is the story that has been going on behind the scenes. You haven’t been aware of it because i have been protecting my vendors the entire time. i even went so far as to pm people who were asking "what about the oil consumption issue?" on my thread to ask them to remove the question so i didn't have to answer it. only a handful of people know what the process has been. the last thing i reported two weeks ago on my cutn edg thread was that we were tearing down the motor for renovations.

<O

The problem:
since sept 13th when we started my beautiful cutn edg motor for the first time, roughly 100 quarts, of oil have been consumed, to the tune of about 65 miles per quart. That’s right, for me about a quart a day. my motor has deep gouges in cyls 2 & 4 and scratches in 1 & 3 in a distinct pattern at 12 o'clock on all 4 cylinders. my heads, which were rebuilt and fit to eat from when we installed them look like they have 150,000 mile on them now after only 6,000 miles.

What we did to find the problem:<O</O
Everything (and at considerable expense). We ruled out everything until the moment of truth when we started tearing down the motor looking for the cause.

What we found:
<O

The cp pistons in all four cylinders are...too small for the bore. That’s it. I have pictures and some pretty remarkable video.

<O

What quirt will say (if he has enough balls to come here and say anything):<O

</O

<O

it’s phil grabow’s fault. his tune detonated the motor. he tried to sell me an engine rebuild - seriously; i’ll rebuild it for you for a couple thousand dollars. he talked about abuse. he talked about detonation. he talked about the pistons swelling up and damaging the cylinder walls which is laughable once you've seen the bobblehead video. damn that phil grabow.

last night i wrote quirt, "if phil was a lesser gentleman he'd punch you in the mouth for blaming that mess on him. youre trying to take his reputation and that's much more dispicable than taking my money. money's much easier to recover. for me the pen is mightier on the sword." the conversation i had with quirt and chris yesterday was as retarded as any conversation i’ve ever had. it's stupefying. that was yesterday.

he must have listened to me overnight. in anticipation of this post (and i sent it to him before i posted it), this morning he is taking a different approach on the crawford webpage by shifting the blame to me today instead of phil yesterday. now phil is the hapless victim of me not bringing the car back to phil early enough. my disassembled motor is on the crawford home page entitled, "what happened to my motor" complete with photos: http://www.crawfordperformance.com/home/index.shtml

after you go there, go take a look at "bobbleheadavi_2. when you see that ask yourself, could detonation cause that? all 4 pistons look the same all 4 pistons bobble like that. by comparison, my stock block with 40k miles doesn't bobble at all (shhhh....that's because suburu actually checks tolerances).

his motor detonation story sounds plausible until you are reminded that with undersized pistons - 100 quarts of oil were blended in with the combustion process. any detonation events were secondary to quirt dropping in undersized pistons by mistake. any damage after that is secondary. also, hydra has an most advanced knock detection system that pulls timing before a significant event. quirt's explanation it is complete and utter bs.

quirt is famous for, and in fact i have read him justify his habit of not checking clearances on his motors, on nasioc. he reasons out loud that subaru's shortblocks tolerances are so good and the production tolerances of the cp pistons are so good that he doesn't have to check piston to wall clearances when he assembles them. he just drops them in and he's ok with that. most of the time he can get away with it. however, when you've got a brand new piston design it might be a good idea to check clearances on that first batch but he didn't. my motor received the first set of the new piston design. do i care whether he gave the wrong specs to cp or that cp shipped the wrong pistons to crawford. no. in the end, crawford din't check and right now, i'm not ok with that.

the truth:
So ladies and gentleman, i bring you the “new crawford ‘bobblehead’ piston design” in all its glory. It is surpassed only by the crawford performance “we break it - you pay for it crawford performance warranty plan."

63M bobbleheadpiston_1.avi
88M bbbobbleheadpiston_2.avi
28M bbbobbleheadpiston_3.avi
107M bbbobbleheadpiston_4.avi
35M bbbobbleheadpiston_5.avi
102M bbbobbleheadpiston_6.avi
493M bbbobbleheadpistonssss.avi

these will download faster than before. thanks everyone.

SabreOfSD · 01-31-2006, 12:37 PM

Wow Bruce, what a story. It pains me to hear this about Crawford, as even before your project, I considered them the best Subaru motor builder. Just like you, I have a Hydra that has been tuned by Phil. Since that install, I have not had a SINGLE knock event and have put over 30k (I'm at 60k now) on the car.

Good luck with the build and I am sorry to hear about your misfortune with Crawford. Hopefully they will make amends!

eatV8 · 01-31-2006, 01:03 PM

Posted in other thread. My thoughts all in there. Having been around this build up and following this whole storey behind the scenes I cannot believe it has come to this.

Quirt Crawford has lost me as a future customer and all the people I know in Aust looking for built engines will be told to scratch Crawford Performance off their list.

tdm74 · 01-31-2006, 01:07 PM

Damn Bruce, I have been watching your thread with great interest for many months, and I think it really sucks what has happened to you. I think I will just stick to suspension mods for a while

01-20-2006, 09:07 AM	#541
CicioSTi Community Consultant Car: 2005 OBP STi Fav Mod: Learning Location: Bismarck, ND Posts: 1,339 IWSTI Addict since: Aug 2005 Trader Rating: (4)	always out of the loop iffh This ad is not endorsed by this member. Please register or login to hide this ad.

01-31-2006, 12:16 PM	#552
*Neanderthal Racing* GT R US Car: CUTN EDG project Fav Mod: $20. mudflaps from auto zone Location: my cave Posts: 5,889 IWSTI Addict since: Dec 2003 Trader Rating: (1)	shocking oil consumption cause identified: introducing – the new “crawford bobblehead piston" design and warranty program if you are familiar with me from iwsti or nasioc, you have probably made a couple of observations about me personally. i may be funny but i don’t bs i don’t whine when things break or go wrong. no crying. no histrionics. fix it and shut up. i’ve been crawford performances greatest advocate. (i can be observed spontaneously blurting, “god bless quirt crawford” in my article on how to do a big project build). i have done everything i could to direct people to a crawford motor. i have probably motivated more people on iwsti to look into crawford motors than anyone else. in fact, i’ve sold more motors here for quirt than quirt has. it is safe to say my cutn edg project is one of the most followed high performance projects in the us. this season we will be campaigning the car at englishtown to get the project in shape for the evo challenge this year. last year, representing subaru, the bv team won, and the element tuning car came in 2nd for subies with an 11.6 or something, i hope phil does well but i can tell you the cutn edg car will be in the 10's by the shootout. if i don't have the talent to do it, my friend mike glasser will be the driver. he's a 100 lbs jockey who will also have a 6 sec pro modified ride this season. locally he is very accomplished. by the end of the season we will make an effort to get cutn edg in one of the tuner mags. it shouldn't be that hard. now, given all that, even if you are a complete weasel, you should at least have enough business sense to do almost anything to avoid the abject humiliation that is about to hit you in the head when you realize that a fairly decent writer is about to expose a major technical problem with your motors and, this is much worse, a major character flaw in your personality. unfortunately, quirt does not have it in him to acknowledge his fk ups and "own" them as a man should. it is about to be his downfall. it's like having someone accidently break a vase at your house and you have it captured on video. he says, the dog did it. you say, but i have it on video. he says, it wasn't me...it was the dog. talking to quirt and his business partner, chris, is just like that. what makes the episode so shocking is, if he will do this to me, you know he will do it to anyone else and that is exactly why i am posting this in the manner that i am. There is at least one more motor out here in exactly the same condition as mine. Most of the people buying crawford motors are kids compared to me. Quirt’s problem with me is that i am as old as he is with a lot more resources and my own law firm. i sue state attorney’s general for sport. quirt's not a pimple on my ass. that's not a threat; i would never threaten legal action because that is illegal. it is simply a cold hard fact. i have done everything i can to telegraph the disaster that quirt crawford’s character flaw is about to create for himself and, unfortunately for the people who work for him. this breaks my heart and that is no exaggeration. this is going to haunt crawford performance throughout the subaru world. they are about to become the motor building equivelent of vivid racing (vivid is cringing right now from the association with crawford performance). you can forgive someone for a mistake. it is harder to forgive someone when they lack good character. So here it is; this is the story that has been going on behind the scenes. You haven’t been aware of it because i have been protecting my vendors the entire time. i even went so far as to pm people who were asking "what about the oil consumption issue?" on my thread to ask them to remove the question so i didn't have to answer it. only a handful of people know what the process has been. the last thing i reported two weeks ago on my cutn edg thread was that we were tearing down the motor for renovations. <OThe problem: since sept 13th when we started my beautiful cutn edg motor for the first time, roughly 100 quarts, of oil have been consumed, to the tune of about 65 miles per quart. That’s right, for me about a quart a day. my motor has deep gouges in cyls 2 & 4 and scratches in 1 & 3 in a distinct pattern at 12 o'clock on all 4 cylinders. my heads, which were rebuilt and fit to eat from when we installed them look like they have 150,000 mile on them now after only 6,000 miles. What we did to find the problem:<O</O Everything (and at considerable expense). We ruled out everything until the moment of truth when we started tearing down the motor looking for the cause. What we found: <OThe cp pistons in all four cylinders are...too small for the bore. That’s it. I have pictures and some pretty remarkable video. <OWhat quirt will say (if he has enough balls to come here and say anything):<O</O </O</O<Oit’s phil grabow’s fault. his tune detonated the motor. he tried to sell me an engine rebuild - seriously; i’ll rebuild it for you for a couple thousand dollars. he talked about abuse. he talked about detonation. he talked about the pistons swelling up and damaging the cylinder walls which is laughable once you've seen the bobblehead video. damn that phil grabow. last night i wrote quirt, "if phil was a lesser gentleman he'd punch you in the mouth for blaming that mess on him. youre trying to take his reputation and that's much more dispicable than taking my money. money's much easier to recover. for me the pen is mightier on the sword." the conversation i had with quirt and chris yesterday was as retarded as any conversation i’ve ever had. it's stupefying. that was yesterday. he must have listened to me overnight. in anticipation of this post (and i sent it to him before i posted it), this morning he is taking a different approach on the crawford webpage by shifting the blame to me today instead of phil yesterday. now phil is the hapless victim of me not bringing the car back to phil early enough. my disassembled motor is on the crawford home page entitled, "what happened to my motor" complete with photos: http://www.crawfordperformance.com/home/index.shtml after you go there, go take a look at "bobbleheadavi_2. when you see that ask yourself, could detonation cause that? all 4 pistons look the same all 4 pistons bobble like that. by comparison, my stock block with 40k miles doesn't bobble at all (shhhh....that's because suburu actually checks tolerances). his motor detonation story sounds plausible until you are reminded that with undersized pistons - 100 quarts of oil were blended in with the combustion process. any detonation events were secondary to quirt dropping in undersized pistons by mistake. any damage after that is secondary. also, hydra has an most advanced knock detection system that pulls timing before a significant event. quirt's explanation it is complete and utter bs. quirt is famous for, and in fact i have read him justify his habit of not checking clearances on his motors, on nasioc. he reasons out loud that subaru's shortblocks tolerances are so good and the production tolerances of the cp pistons are so good that he doesn't have to check piston to wall clearances when he assembles them. he just drops them in and he's ok with that. most of the time he can get away with it. however, when you've got a brand new piston design it might be a good idea to check clearances on that first batch but he didn't. my motor received the first set of the new piston design. do i care whether he gave the wrong specs to cp or that cp shipped the wrong pistons to crawford. no. in the end, crawford din't check and right now, i'm not ok with that. the truth:** So ladies and gentleman, i bring you the “new crawford ‘bobblehead’ piston design” in all its glory. It is surpassed only by the crawford performance “we break it - you pay for it crawford performance warranty plan." 63M bobbleheadpiston_1.avi 88M bbbobbleheadpiston_2.avi 28M bbbobbleheadpiston_3.avi 107M bbbobbleheadpiston_4.avi 35M bbbobbleheadpiston_5.avi 102M bbbobbleheadpiston_6.avi 493M bbbobbleheadpistonssss.avi these will download faster than before. thanks everyone. Last edited by Neanderthal Racing; 01-31-2006 at 08:30 PM.

01-31-2006, 01:07 PM	#555
tdm74 Amateur STI Driver Car: 05 Obsidian Black ST Location: jax, fl Posts: 31 IWSTI Addict since: Apr 2005 Trader Rating: (0)	Damn Bruce, I have been watching your thread with great interest for many months, and I think it really sucks what has happened to you. I think I will just stick to suspension mods for a while This ad is not endorsed by this member. Please register or login to hide this ad. Last edited by tdm74; 01-31-2006 at 01:12 PM.

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01-20-2006, 01:17 PM	#542
Wazazell Silver Member Car: 2006 STi Fav Mod: power adding stickers & emblems Location: Richmond, Virginia Posts: 956 IWSTI Addict since: Aug 2004 Trader Rating: (0)	you should start a thread whining about..... well something... and then go pout about... something else that's probably trivial. haha I can't wait to hear that "slight lope at idle". :drool: If only the engine could have a high static compression ratio, I bet the sound would be devastating at idle!

01-20-2006, 01:40 PM	#545
*Neanderthal Racing* GT R US Car: CUTN EDG project Fav Mod: $20. mudflaps from auto zone Location: my cave Posts: 5,889 IWSTI Addict since: Dec 2003 Trader Rating: (1)	no, cicio. he was describing davenow's..er...modus operandi.

01-20-2006, 01:51 PM	#546
CicioSTi Community Consultant Car: 2005 OBP STi Fav Mod: Learning Location: Bismarck, ND Posts: 1,339 IWSTI Addict since: Aug 2005 Trader Rating: (4)	again...out of the loop..sorry! My bad isfh

01-23-2006, 10:26 AM	#547
Wazazell Silver Member Car: 2006 STi Fav Mod: power adding stickers & emblems Location: Richmond, Virginia Posts: 956 IWSTI Addict since: Aug 2004 Trader Rating: (0)	haha, sorry Cicio. I didn't mean you.

01-23-2006, 10:44 AM	#548
Adam Junior STI Driver Posts: 122 IWSTI Addict since: Mar 2005 Trader Rating: (0)	Bruce, any update on the oil problem? Ap

01-31-2006, 12:37 PM	#553
SabreOfSD Spec C Club Car: www.dcawd.com Fav Mod: Hydra Location: Northern VA Posts: 1,014 IWSTI Addict since: Oct 2003 Trader Rating: (0)	Wow Bruce, what a story. It pains me to hear this about Crawford, as even before your project, I considered them the best Subaru motor builder. Just like you, I have a Hydra that has been tuned by Phil. Since that install, I have not had a SINGLE knock event and have put over 30k (I'm at 60k now) on the car. Good luck with the build and I am sorry to hear about your misfortune with Crawford. Hopefully they will make amends!

01-31-2006, 01:03 PM	#554
eatV8 retired mod Car: 99 WRX STi V5 Fav Mod: JDM Air Freshener Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 3,860 IWSTI Addict since: Apr 2003 Trader Rating: (0)	Posted in other thread. My thoughts all in there. Having been around this build up and following this whole storey behind the scenes I cannot believe it has come to this. Quirt Crawford has lost me as a future customer and all the people I know in Aust looking for built engines will be told to scratch Crawford Performance off their list.