Speakers Need Help????

halfing · 03-23-2008, 10:35 AM

Hey im planing on buysing some new speakers for the front.. does anyone no if the alpine type x component speakers will fit??

gormansscooby · 03-23-2008, 10:45 AM

Im pretty sure the X's are way to deep to fit directly in the factory replacement. if you use a serious spacer or are up for a fiberglassing project you can get them in there. IMO with a good sound deadening job to the car and an amp to run the speakers, the x serious is far more power than you'll ever use in the car. Id check into some more shallow mount speakers thatll fit the factory location and are known for clarity. Just my 2 cents. I worked car audio for a few years and have done several on my own vehicles and friends vehicles.

halfing · 03-23-2008, 10:48 AM

o ok thanks alot.. would the type R's sound good in there and would they fit?

gormansscooby · 03-23-2008, 10:58 AM

I think the Type R's are actually goin to be too deep also. I just did a little search on the depth of the door and it looks like your going to need a spacer for pretty much any speaker you put in the door due to how shallow they are. Your best bet is to search under speaker depth on this site and go talk to a local stereo shop for speaker ideas.

halfing · 03-23-2008, 11:00 AM

o ok but could i not jsut use a spacer?? but then would i need to change the door pannel at all??

gormansscooby · 03-23-2008, 11:11 AM

you should be able to use a spacer and get it to work. You will want an amplifier for the speakers and an aftermarket deck as well to power them and use them to their potential.

halfing · 03-23-2008, 11:18 AM

if im getting an alpine double din deck for the speakers do u think i still need an amp?? and if so what size of amp should i get.. im really bad witht he car audio **** haha

Bishop · 03-23-2008, 11:22 AM

Sorry to thread jack but i am too... i asked this same question a long time ago and got no answers.. Ima site and observe

gormansscooby · 03-23-2008, 11:39 AM

Lol its all good. Alright so to answer the question yes you will want an amplifier. If you plan on upgrading all 4 speakers you will want a 4 channel amplifier. Essentially one channel powers each speaker. Now a speaker has a Max (or peak) power rating in watts and it has an RMS power rating (continuous power). For instance the 6 and 1/2 inch Type R speakers have a max power rating of 300 watts and an RMS power rating of 100 watts (this is per each speaker). Now an amplifier is going to also have a Max power and RMS rating. You want to match up the RMS rating for the amplifier as close as you can to the RMS rating of the speaker. So since the Type R is 100 RMS you want an amplifier that supplies 100 RMS to each channel. If it is for 4 speakers than you want a 4 channel amp that supplies that 100 RMS rating to each channel. Note: it is ok for your amplifier to supply slightly more RMS power than your speaker is since the amplifier can be turned down.

The reason you need the amplifier is because your average aftermarket deck supplies 20 RMS to each of its 4 channels. And your average speaker is rated at at least 70 RMS. By under powering something by that much not only will you not get the desired volume, your speakers will distort (sound crappier) at lower volumes and you will actually wear out your speakers faster by doing so.

Hope that helps. Let me know if you need some more clarification.

halfing · 03-23-2008, 11:43 AM

o thanks alot gorman.. that helps me out alot thanks..

Bishop · 03-23-2008, 11:52 AM

No time atm to surf around, but thanks for clarifying the amp stuff... whenever i asked what i need in an amp or what to buy all i got was a shrug off from locals and / or friends... no one told me what i should look for, just what to buy

gormansscooby · 03-23-2008, 11:53 AM

Not a problem man let me know when you get to subwoofers

halfing · 03-23-2008, 11:56 AM

haha i actually already have on form my old car.. i got a 12 type R and an alpine amp.. i got that all udner control i jsut wasnt sure about speakers haha

Madrider · 03-23-2008, 12:13 PM

peeps here in this forum used Rs alot with spacers. I do us S with spacers. I power them with a 4 channel alpine MRPF250 amp

B4RSTiwsnc · 07-13-2008, 09:38 AM

are there any speakers that I can just buy to replace the crap oem ones without having to get an upgraded amp? I have an alpine head unit already, but would like to get Alpine type r's

03-23-2008, 10:35 AM	#1
halfing Amateur STI Driver Car: Black 07 WRX STI Fav Mod: Coming Soon Location: regina saskatchewan Posts: 22 Join Date: Feb 2008 Trader Rating: (0)	Speakers Need Help???? Hey im planing on buysing some new speakers for the front.. does anyone no if the alpine type x component speakers will fit?? This ad is not endorsed by this member. Please register or login to hide this ad.

03-23-2008, 10:45 AM	#2
gormansscooby Senior STI Driver Car: 07 OBD WRX STi Fav Mod: Coming Soon Location: Sacramento, California Posts: 353 Join Date: Nov 2007 Trader Rating: (0)	Re: Speakers Need Help???? Im pretty sure the X's are way to deep to fit directly in the factory replacement. if you use a serious spacer or are up for a fiberglassing project you can get them in there. IMO with a good sound deadening job to the car and an amp to run the speakers, the x serious is far more power than you'll ever use in the car. Id check into some more shallow mount speakers thatll fit the factory location and are known for clarity. Just my 2 cents. I worked car audio for a few years and have done several on my own vehicles and friends vehicles.

03-23-2008, 10:48 AM	#3
halfing Amateur STI Driver Car: Black 07 WRX STI Fav Mod: Coming Soon Location: regina saskatchewan Posts: 22 Join Date: Feb 2008 Trader Rating: (0)	Re: Speakers Need Help???? o ok thanks alot.. would the type R's sound good in there and would they fit?

03-23-2008, 10:58 AM	#4
gormansscooby Senior STI Driver Car: 07 OBD WRX STi Fav Mod: Coming Soon Location: Sacramento, California Posts: 353 Join Date: Nov 2007 Trader Rating: (0)	Re: Speakers Need Help???? I think the Type R's are actually goin to be too deep also. I just did a little search on the depth of the door and it looks like your going to need a spacer for pretty much any speaker you put in the door due to how shallow they are. Your best bet is to search under speaker depth on this site and go talk to a local stereo shop for speaker ideas.

03-23-2008, 11:00 AM	#5
halfing Amateur STI Driver Car: Black 07 WRX STI Fav Mod: Coming Soon Location: regina saskatchewan Posts: 22 Join Date: Feb 2008 Trader Rating: (0)	Re: Speakers Need Help???? o ok but could i not jsut use a spacer?? but then would i need to change the door pannel at all??

03-23-2008, 11:11 AM	#6
gormansscooby Senior STI Driver Car: 07 OBD WRX STi Fav Mod: Coming Soon Location: Sacramento, California Posts: 353 Join Date: Nov 2007 Trader Rating: (0)	Re: Speakers Need Help???? you should be able to use a spacer and get it to work. You will want an amplifier for the speakers and an aftermarket deck as well to power them and use them to their potential.

03-23-2008, 11:18 AM	#7
halfing Amateur STI Driver Car: Black 07 WRX STI Fav Mod: Coming Soon Location: regina saskatchewan Posts: 22 Join Date: Feb 2008 Trader Rating: (0)	Re: Speakers Need Help???? if im getting an alpine double din deck for the speakers do u think i still need an amp?? and if so what size of amp should i get.. im really bad witht he car audio **** haha

03-23-2008, 11:22 AM	#8
Bishop HowTo Contributor Car: 07 OBP STi Fav Mod: Cobb Stg 2 - Wrapped DP Location: Chief Left Hand, CO Posts: 2,089 Join Date: Oct 2007 Trader Rating: (0)	Re: Speakers Need Help???? Sorry to thread jack but i am too... i asked this same question a long time ago and got no answers.. Ima site and observe

03-23-2008, 11:39 AM	#9
gormansscooby Senior STI Driver Car: 07 OBD WRX STi Fav Mod: Coming Soon Location: Sacramento, California Posts: 353 Join Date: Nov 2007 Trader Rating: (0)	Re: Speakers Need Help???? Lol its all good. Alright so to answer the question yes you will want an amplifier. If you plan on upgrading all 4 speakers you will want a 4 channel amplifier. Essentially one channel powers each speaker. Now a speaker has a Max (or peak) power rating in watts and it has an RMS power rating (continuous power). For instance the 6 and 1/2 inch Type R speakers have a max power rating of 300 watts and an RMS power rating of 100 watts (this is per each speaker). Now an amplifier is going to also have a Max power and RMS rating. You want to match up the RMS rating for the amplifier as close as you can to the RMS rating of the speaker. So since the Type R is 100 RMS you want an amplifier that supplies 100 RMS to each channel. If it is for 4 speakers than you want a 4 channel amp that supplies that 100 RMS rating to each channel. Note: it is ok for your amplifier to supply slightly more RMS power than your speaker is since the amplifier can be turned down. The reason you need the amplifier is because your average aftermarket deck supplies 20 RMS to each of its 4 channels. And your average speaker is rated at at least 70 RMS. By under powering something by that much not only will you not get the desired volume, your speakers will distort (sound crappier) at lower volumes and you will actually wear out your speakers faster by doing so. Hope that helps. Let me know if you need some more clarification.

03-23-2008, 11:43 AM	#10
halfing Amateur STI Driver Car: Black 07 WRX STI Fav Mod: Coming Soon Location: regina saskatchewan Posts: 22 Join Date: Feb 2008 Trader Rating: (0)	Re: Speakers Need Help???? o thanks alot gorman.. that helps me out alot thanks..

03-23-2008, 11:52 AM	#11
Bishop HowTo Contributor Car: 07 OBP STi Fav Mod: Cobb Stg 2 - Wrapped DP Location: Chief Left Hand, CO Posts: 2,089 Join Date: Oct 2007 Trader Rating: (0)	Re: Speakers Need Help???? No time atm to surf around, but thanks for clarifying the amp stuff... whenever i asked what i need in an amp or what to buy all i got was a shrug off from locals and / or friends... no one told me what i should look for, just what to buy

03-23-2008, 11:53 AM	#12
gormansscooby Senior STI Driver Car: 07 OBD WRX STi Fav Mod: Coming Soon Location: Sacramento, California Posts: 353 Join Date: Nov 2007 Trader Rating: (0)	Re: Speakers Need Help???? Not a problem man let me know when you get to subwoofers

03-23-2008, 11:56 AM	#13
halfing Amateur STI Driver Car: Black 07 WRX STI Fav Mod: Coming Soon Location: regina saskatchewan Posts: 22 Join Date: Feb 2008 Trader Rating: (0)	Re: Speakers Need Help???? haha i actually already have on form my old car.. i got a 12 type R and an alpine amp.. i got that all udner control i jsut wasnt sure about speakers haha

03-23-2008, 12:13 PM	#14
Madrider Professional STI Driver Car: MY04STi Prodrive Fav Mod: Prodrive Location: Republic of Turkey Posts: 407 Join Date: Mar 2004 Trader Rating: (0)	Re: Speakers Need Help???? peeps here in this forum used Rs alot with spacers. I do us S with spacers. I power them with a 4 channel alpine MRPF250 amp Last edited by Madrider : 03-23-2008 at 12:17 PM.

07-13-2008, 09:38 AM	#15
B4RSTiwsnc Spec C Club Car: 04 Aspen White STi Fav Mod: exhaust powered intake Location: Charlotte/Winston Salem, Posts: 1,193 Join Date: Jul 2006 Trader Rating: (5)	Re: Speakers Need Help???? are there any speakers that I can just buy to replace the crap oem ones without having to get an upgraded amp? I have an alpine head unit already, but would like to get Alpine type r's This ad is not endorsed by this member. Please register or login to hide this ad.