How To: complete idiot's guide to getting your car up on jackstands - Page 3

SNE2040 · 08-17-2007, 06:03 PM

I don't use that part anymore cause i bent the round part around the bolt and my car would squeek and vibrate like hell at high speed. It was a PITA to unbend it, which i did, and fixed my problem

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Originally Posted by austinpike

I'm sure they work fine, though I have also read that people don't like to place stands on the subframe. But I wouldn't say the jack stand points are "Subaru recommended" - I have never seen anything official from Subaru on that point.

Here are the jack stand pics, re-hosted. The actual jack points used in that thread (front plate and rear diff) have been shown already.

Singletrack · 08-20-2007, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by illt3ck

The pinch welds as jack points are only to be used by the oem jack that's in the back of the car in case of emergency as it has a slot designed to support the car at that point. You WILL crush those pinch welds by using a standard jack and supporting the weight of the vehicle on jack stands.

I just wanted to correct this because it is wrong. You can support the car on the pinch welds no problem.

Singletrack · 08-20-2007, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SNE2040

I don't use that part anymore cause i bent the round part around the bolt and my car would squeek and vibrate like hell at high speed. It was a PITA to unbend it, which i did, and fixed my problem

I agree, no way I would use that for stands.

AndrewSS · 08-20-2007, 10:39 PM

What sooo horrible about bent up pinch welds? I use em to jack the car up and put stands under the subframe (front), then use the rear diff to jack and stands under the rear pinch welds. But yeah, my front pinch welds are kinda bent up.. heh

osbjmg · 08-21-2007, 03:07 AM

Some people hammer the welds down anyway right? I am only afraid of it bending once the car is up. If it bends on it's way up, no problem. Personally, the subframe looks sturdier - my jackstands also don't have a space for a weld like that, it's either something rounded or flat. It looks like there is too much room for movement.

mxpop · 08-21-2007, 09:36 AM

Check out what the rally guys are doing, very clever!

http://jcmotophoto.smugmug.com/galle...181012660-L-LB

They use a large floor jack to get the ends up and then insert these triangle stands into the side-sill area (one end at a time). They have the car up and wheels off before the drivers even get out!

Some of the stands even have little trays for the lugs or ???, very good idea that I will puy to use on my car soon. I need to get better look to see how they did it and what they had to do to reinforce it. My guess is that they just bored a hole and welded in a tube for the stands to slide into.

BTW, no offense, but this isnt my favorite 'jacking' site....

rantar_STi · 08-22-2007, 04:55 PM

I did quite a bit of investigation and analysis prior to jacking up my car and putting it on jack stands. For those looking for a good jack, I used a Zinko jack (ZSJ-20S-2) with a Prothane jack pad and Prothane jack stand pads to prevent marring up anything under the car. The jack is made in Japan and is very sturdy. Definitely worth it albeit almost 100 lbs.

Now back to the topic at hand. I am not convinced that the pinch welds are the proper place to put a jack stand. If you take a close look at the stock jack, there is a cutout to accommodate the pinch weld. On either side of the cutout there are flat sections; one sitstowards the inside of the car and the other towards the outside of the car. The pinch weld does not rest on the bottom of the cutout and the flat part of the jack that faces the outside is slightly lower than the inside and never contacts the body of the car. Instead, there is a raised section (raised towards the ground) of the floor pannel directly behind the pinch welds. That is where the stock jack sits. This section appears to be reinforced and I have never had any deformation of the metal in that section. To visualize where to place the jack stand look at the first picture of this thread showing the jack stand right under the pinch weld. If that jack was rotated 90 degrees and moved towards the inside of the car (i.e. towards the drive shaft) such that it would be located immediately behind the pinch weld (about 1/8") and immediately below the raised area of the floor pannel, that would be the correct place to put the stand (and centered on the raised area of the floor pannel).

The Subaru recommended jacking points are the rear differential and the front jacking plate under the engine as mentioned by others.

styx · 08-22-2007, 08:17 PM

I am surprised none of the sponsers have created a bolt-on jacking rail.... I am really surprised TiC has not done this .......

Geist · 08-26-2007, 01:55 PM

I've never done a mod that required my sti to be jacked up for any long period of time... but on my acura, I always just put my jackstands just inside of the pinch welds, parallel to the weld.. and that always worked fine... would that be ok for our imprezas as well?? (MY05, btw)

BoxerGrowl · 08-31-2007, 07:03 AM

Yes the original pictures of the jack stands being perpendicular to the pinch weld is just goofy. Just turn the stand 90 degrees and place it inside of the pinch weld. If you look under the car the area inside of the pinch weld is slotted and the top of a jack stand fits in there perfect.

supermarkus · 08-31-2007, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Geist

I've never done a mod that required my sti to be jacked up for any long period of time... but on my acura, I always just put my jackstands just inside of the pinch welds, parallel to the weld.. and that always worked fine... would that be ok for our imprezas as well?? (MY05, btw)

I had my old WRX up on stands using this location for two weeks while I put it completely back to stock. No problems. I don't really give a crap about the pinch welds though since I got a set of 4 stands with deep cradles and my pinch welds are good and flat for the most part anyway. I like the idea of the pinch weld adapter for the jack though.

cpunlamd · 09-03-2007, 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by mxpop

Check out what the rally guys are doing, very clever!

http://jcmotophoto.smugmug.com/galle...181012660-L-LB

They use a large floor jack to get the ends up and then insert these triangle stands into the side-sill area (one end at a time). They have the car up and wheels off before the drivers even get out!

Some of the stands even have little trays for the lugs or ???, very good idea that I will puy to use on my car soon. I need to get better look to see how they did it and what they had to do to reinforce it. My guess is that they just bored a hole and welded in a tube for the stands to slide into.

I think this rally type is the best. Installs would be so easy with the car up that high.

blk rex · 09-03-2007, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by mxpop

Check out what the rally guys are doing, very clever!

http://jcmotophoto.smugmug.com/galle...181012660-L-LB

They use a large floor jack to get the ends up and then insert these triangle stands into the side-sill area (one end at a time). They have the car up and wheels off before the drivers even get out!

Some of the stands even have little trays for the lugs or ???, very good idea that I will puy to use on my car soon. I need to get better look to see how they did it and what they had to do to reinforce it. My guess is that they just bored a hole and welded in a tube for the stands to slide into.

BTW, no offense, but this isnt my favorite 'jacking' site....

That stand looks like the car has to be modified though..how do they even put the stands under the car..what does the stand look like standing alone?

munky69 · 11-09-2007, 08:39 AM

been using the pinch weld for years, no problems. we use those to lift the cars when i worked at suby. yeah there's other points you can use,but i almost always used to use the pinch seem. done just about everything you can do to car under there, never had any problems. safe lifting was a MAJOR deal to me. i wouldn't take a tire off without triple checking my lift

STI Sibb · 12-09-2007, 12:45 PM

In picture 2...

I was going to jack up the front at that point, but after I looked at it more closely, it didn't appear to have any support directly under it.

What does that spot have directly under it to support the weight of the vehicle?

One noob question...
All jack stands say not to place a car up on 4 jack stands. Is this just a cover your butt warning or is there a real danger to doing so?

08-20-2007, 10:39 PM	#34
AndrewSS S204 Racer Car: 05 Subaru WRX STi Fav Mod: RCE T2 Coilovers Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 4,642 Join Date: Jun 2005 Trader Rating: (21)	Re: How To: complete idiot's guide to getting your car up on jackstands What sooo horrible about bent up pinch welds? I use em to jack the car up and put stands under the subframe (front), then use the rear diff to jack and stands under the rear pinch welds. But yeah, my front pinch welds are kinda bent up.. heh

08-21-2007, 03:07 AM	#35
osbjmg Professional STI Driver Car: 06 CGM STi Fav Mod: brake dust generators Location: Durham, NC Posts: 422 Join Date: Jan 2006 Trader Rating: (0)	Re: How To: complete idiot's guide to getting your car up on jackstands Some people hammer the welds down anyway right? I am only afraid of it bending once the car is up. If it bends on it's way up, no problem. Personally, the subframe looks sturdier - my jackstands also don't have a space for a weld like that, it's either something rounded or flat. It looks like there is too much room for movement.

08-21-2007, 09:36 AM	#36
mxpop Spec C Club Car: '06 STI Fav Mod: air freshener!!! Location: Santa barbara area Posts: 2,300 Join Date: Jan 2006 Trader Rating: (2)	Re: How To: complete idiot's guide to getting your car up on jackstands Check out what the rally guys are doing, very clever! http://jcmotophoto.smugmug.com/galle...181012660-L-LB They use a large floor jack to get the ends up and then insert these triangle stands into the side-sill area (one end at a time). They have the car up and wheels off before the drivers even get out! Some of the stands even have little trays for the lugs or ???, very good idea that I will puy to use on my car soon. I need to get better look to see how they did it and what they had to do to reinforce it. My guess is that they just bored a hole and welded in a tube for the stands to slide into. BTW, no offense, but this isnt my favorite 'jacking' site....

08-22-2007, 04:55 PM	#37
rantar_STi Amateur STI Driver Car: 2005 BMW M3 Fav Mod: Upgrading to an M3 Location: South Florida Posts: 12 Join Date: Jul 2007 Trader Rating: (0)	Re: How To: complete idiot's guide to getting your car up on jackstands I did quite a bit of investigation and analysis prior to jacking up my car and putting it on jack stands. For those looking for a good jack, I used a Zinko jack (ZSJ-20S-2) with a Prothane jack pad and Prothane jack stand pads to prevent marring up anything under the car. The jack is made in Japan and is very sturdy. Definitely worth it albeit almost 100 lbs. Now back to the topic at hand. I am not convinced that the pinch welds are the proper place to put a jack stand. If you take a close look at the stock jack, there is a cutout to accommodate the pinch weld. On either side of the cutout there are flat sections; one sitstowards the inside of the car and the other towards the outside of the car. The pinch weld does not rest on the bottom of the cutout and the flat part of the jack that faces the outside is slightly lower than the inside and never contacts the body of the car. Instead, there is a raised section (raised towards the ground) of the floor pannel directly behind the pinch welds. That is where the stock jack sits. This section appears to be reinforced and I have never had any deformation of the metal in that section. To visualize where to place the jack stand look at the first picture of this thread showing the jack stand right under the pinch weld. If that jack was rotated 90 degrees and moved towards the inside of the car (i.e. towards the drive shaft) such that it would be located immediately behind the pinch weld (about 1/8") and immediately below the raised area of the floor pannel, that would be the correct place to put the stand (and centered on the raised area of the floor pannel). The Subaru recommended jacking points are the rear differential and the front jacking plate under the engine as mentioned by others.

08-22-2007, 08:17 PM	#38
styx Junior STI Driver Car: Cars and Airplanes Location: Fort Worth, Tx Posts: 185 Join Date: Apr 2005 Trader Rating: (0)	Re: How To: complete idiot's guide to getting your car up on jackstands I am surprised none of the sponsers have created a bolt-on jacking rail.... I am really surprised TiC has not done this .......

08-26-2007, 01:55 PM	#39
Geist Amateur STI Driver Car: 05 OBP STi Posts: 24 Join Date: Mar 2006 Trader Rating: (1)	Re: How To: complete idiot's guide to getting your car up on jackstands I've never done a mod that required my sti to be jacked up for any long period of time... but on my acura, I always just put my jackstands just inside of the pinch welds, parallel to the weld.. and that always worked fine... would that be ok for our imprezas as well?? (MY05, btw)

08-31-2007, 07:03 AM	#40
BoxerGrowl Amateur STI Driver Car: 04 STi Location: Greencastle, PA Posts: 38 Join Date: Mar 2006 Trader Rating: (0)	Re: How To: complete idiot's guide to getting your car up on jackstands Yes the original pictures of the jack stands being perpendicular to the pinch weld is just goofy. Just turn the stand 90 degrees and place it inside of the pinch weld. If you look under the car the area inside of the pinch weld is slotted and the top of a jack stand fits in there perfect.

11-09-2007, 08:39 AM	#44
munky69 S204 Racer Car: 04 STi, 06 Altima Fav Mod: jailbreak Location: SOsocal Posts: 3,013 Join Date: Aug 2003 Trader Rating: (2)	Re: How To: complete idiot's guide to getting your car up on jackstands been using the pinch weld for years, no problems. we use those to lift the cars when i worked at suby. yeah there's other points you can use,but i almost always used to use the pinch seem. done just about everything you can do to car under there, never had any problems. safe lifting was a MAJOR deal to me. i wouldn't take a tire off without triple checking my lift

12-09-2007, 12:45 PM	#45
STI Sibb Senior STI Driver Car: Blue 07 WRX STI Fav Mod: Soap Location: Winston Salem, NC Posts: 380 Join Date: Apr 2007 Trader Rating: (0)	Re: How To: complete idiot's guide to getting your car up on jackstands In picture 2... I was going to jack up the front at that point, but after I looked at it more closely, it didn't appear to have any support directly under it. What does that spot have directly under it to support the weight of the vehicle? One noob question... All jack stands say not to place a car up on 4 jack stands. Is this just a cover your butt warning or is there a real danger to doing so? This ad is not endorsed by this member. Please register or login to hide this ad. Last edited by STI Sibb : 12-09-2007 at 12:50 PM.