Custom Catch Cans Install (Diary) - Page 4

WolfPlayer · 06-17-2005, 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwlsti

i'm installing mine tonight

, thanks a lot wolf

NICE! Let me know how it turns out. I am still loving mine.

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DILLIGAFRacing · 10-06-2005, 05:49 PM

Ok, I am bringing this back to life. I just bought a catch can from a friend, and stumbled onto this thread while looking for install instructions. You did an amazing job with the install. Looks REALLY good. Anyways, I have one question. What about the heat coming off of your turbo? Or is it not an issue?

pepito · 10-06-2005, 07:43 PM

Wolfplayer ,another question ,where did you get the 1/2" hose that has a 90 degree premolded bend in it.

Great Job.
thanks for your post.

***wdb*** · 10-07-2005, 05:27 AM

Yep, this is a great thread. I have it bookmarked for myself and just added it to the "Threads of Interest" for this section. Good work WolfPlayer.

Boxer · 10-07-2005, 06:13 AM

Crap. I can't believe I missed this thread. Really nice work Wolf. I've been debating the need for catch cans but I can see now it looks like a worthwhile effort. A couple of STi owner-posters over on NASIOC have said their intercoolers were full of oil on removing them.

WolfPlayer · 10-07-2005, 06:29 AM

Some notes ...

AMW has increased the price of their catch cans. This, IMHO, makes the install of a dual AMW catch can setup way too much money.They are now almost DOUBLE the price!!! ($160 a pop). This is way too much for a dual catch can setup.

The 90d hose is a Gates hose with the Part Number of 28460 as shown here...
http://www.bescaredracing.com/sti/ca...v/DSC02653.JPG
I went into the local auto parts store and found what I needed. If you can find a place that carries Gates hoses then they can get this for you.

Regarding the heat coming off the turbo, so far it hasn't been an issue. I still don't have any oil in my intercooler (or the turbo outlet hose to intercooler) and I have 9200 miles on the car with LOTS of WOT time.

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pepito · 10-09-2005, 09:05 PM

Thanks for the info on the Gates hose, Very neat research of parts and imagination .
I will try your set up with other cans.

gpatmac · 10-29-2005, 10:07 PM

Wolf,

I apologize for being dense, but I'm just not seeing something.

For the 2 breather holes on top of the crankcase, as well as the PCV threaded into the intake manifold, how were the hoses routed?

In these 2 pics, DSC02656.JPG and DSC02657.JPG, it looks like the breather hole on the pass. side of the block (the one that has the electrical connector on it) is the one going to the catchcan, but I can't tell if you've got the center breather T'd in or not. Same for the PCV behind the in mani.

My issue is that I have the 257 block but most everything else is from my WRX, so my PCV setup is the old Y which used to route the lone breather and the PCV to the intake. I'm uncertain about the 2nd breather.

WolfPlayer · 10-30-2005, 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gpatmac

Wolf,

I apologize for being dense, but I'm just not seeing something.

For the 2 breather holes on top of the crankcase, as well as the PCV threaded into the intake manifold, how were the hoses routed?

No problem.

For the STI there are 2 systems you need to worry about: PCV and Breather. In the stock setup the breather system has a hose from each valve cover going into the hard black metal tube on the front of the intercooler. The entrance on this metal tube for the breathers from the valve covers is at the back left and back right on the tube ... the parts of the tube closest to the intercooler on the sides. The 90 degree angle on this black metal tube is the exit for the breather gases that, in the stock setup, is routed to the turbo inlet tube. I take the flexible tube off that 90 degree metal tube, route the hard tube to the catchcan with some more hose, and then route from the catchcan back to the turbo inlet tube where I use the stock hose at the turbo inlet tube. For the PCV, I disconnect the stock hose from the gray plastic connector on the turbo inlet, put a new 90 degree rubber hose on that gray plastic connector on the turbo inlet, connect the stock hose from the PCV to some more rubber hose, route it to the catchcan, and then route back to the new 90 degree rubber hose using some more hose.

I don't 'T' anything in. The PCV stays separate. The breathers are T'd from the factory into a single hose. I simply route that hose to the catchcan before it gets back to the turbo inlet.

If you are still cornfused then I can take one of my pics and color code it so that it is more easily visible ... ahahahha, my choice of black hoses works pretty good to keep it stealth.

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WolfPlayer · 10-31-2005, 04:17 AM

Here ya go. PCV in red and breathers in blue.

Stock:
http://www.bescaredracing.com/sti/ca...pare/stock.jpg

Modified:
http://www.bescaredracing.com/sti/ca...e/modified.jpg

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Rev · 10-31-2005, 05:35 AM

WolfPlayer, are you catching lots of fluid in both CCs?

Mine are teed off (PCV and valvetrain vents) into one, I catch very little oil. I put in some filtration media and it gets wet and smells like oil and gas, which is good. My hose going from the PCV exhaust was black as hell, so I recently had t to replace that piece of hose for a new one.

How are your CCs performing?

WolfPlayer · 10-31-2005, 06:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by STi_Thunder

WolfPlayer, are you catching lots of fluid in both CCs?

Mine are teed off (PCV and valvetrain vents) into one, I catch very little oil. I put in some filtration media and it gets wet and smells like oil and gas, which is good. My hose going from the PCV exhaust was black as hell, so I recently had t to replace that piece of hose for a new one.

How are your CCs performing?

I see oil in the stainless mesh in the Catch Cans everytime I check them. However, I never catch enough oil in the actual can to drain it. With that said, my intercooler is still 100% clean with no oil in it. I could probably add some foam to see if it makes a difference. But, with no oil in my intercooler I am not inclined to do so because apparently it is working (so far).

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Nixlimited · 10-31-2005, 07:33 AM

That setup is extremely nice. Just a note though, Harman wouldn't install catch cans in that location because of the fire danger with oil sitting that close to the turbo. Your experience seems to have disproved that possibility, but just thought it was worth noting. My catch can is actually in the drivers side wheel well.

Rev · 10-31-2005, 07:50 AM

NixL, if you have a heatshield on your turbo, I would see no issues placing the CC near the firewall ...

WolfPlayer · 10-31-2005, 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nixlimited

That setup is extremely nice. Just a note though, Harman wouldn't install catch cans in that location because of the fire danger with oil sitting that close to the turbo. Your experience seems to have disproved that possibility, but just thought it was worth noting. My catch can is actually in the drivers side wheel well.

There is oil in the turbo - lol. I'm not concerned at all. There is absolutely no chance of fire in this location. First, the flash point of oil is very high (400+ d F). Second, how the heck is oil going to get from inside my catch cans to a 400d surface? Third, even if there was a way for #2 to happen, the amount of oil is minimal. I'd be willing to purposefully drop oil on my heat shield in the amount that will come from my catchcans.

t

10-06-2005, 05:49 PM	#47
DILLIGAFRacing Junior STI Driver Posts: 56 Join Date: Jan 2005 Trader Rating: (0)	Ok, I am bringing this back to life. I just bought a catch can from a friend, and stumbled onto this thread while looking for install instructions. You did an amazing job with the install. Looks REALLY good. Anyways, I have one question. What about the heat coming off of your turbo? Or is it not an issue?

10-06-2005, 07:43 PM	#48
pepito Junior STI Driver Car: 05 STI Location: HONDURAS Posts: 137 Join Date: Oct 2004 Trader Rating: (0)	Wolfplayer ,another question ,where did you get the 1/2" hose that has a 90 degree premolded bend in it. Great Job. thanks for your post.

10-07-2005, 05:27 AM	#49
*wdb* dances with roads Posts: 4,911 Join Date: Apr 2005 Trader Rating: (8)	Yep, this is a great thread. I have it bookmarked for myself and just added it to the "Threads of Interest" for this section. Good work WolfPlayer.

10-07-2005, 06:13 AM	#50
Boxer Spec C Club Location: FL Posts: 1,376 Join Date: Jan 2004 Trader Rating: (0)	Crap. I can't believe I missed this thread. Really nice work Wolf. I've been debating the need for catch cans but I can see now it looks like a worthwhile effort. A couple of STi owner-posters over on NASIOC have said their intercoolers were full of oil on removing them.

10-07-2005, 06:29 AM	#51
WolfPlayer Moderator & ECU Tech Car: 05 CGM STI Fav Mod: mo boostaz Location: Fredneck, MD Posts: 3,578 Join Date: Jun 2004 Trader Rating: (6)	Some notes ... AMW has increased the price of their catch cans. This, IMHO, makes the install of a dual AMW catch can setup way too much money.They are now almost DOUBLE the price!!! ($160 a pop). This is way too much for a dual catch can setup. The 90d hose is a Gates hose with the Part Number of 28460 as shown here... http://www.bescaredracing.com/sti/ca...v/DSC02653.JPG I went into the local auto parts store and found what I needed. If you can find a place that carries Gates hoses then they can get this for you. Regarding the heat coming off the turbo, so far it hasn't been an issue. I still don't have any oil in my intercooler (or the turbo outlet hose to intercooler) and I have 9200 miles on the car with LOTS of WOT time. t

10-09-2005, 09:05 PM	#52
pepito Junior STI Driver Car: 05 STI Location: HONDURAS Posts: 137 Join Date: Oct 2004 Trader Rating: (0)	Thanks for the info on the Gates hose, Very neat research of parts and imagination . I will try your set up with other cans.

10-29-2005, 10:07 PM	#53
gpatmac Lurker Car: Silver 02 WRX wagon Fav Mod: soldier Location: Bloomington, IN Posts: 6 Join Date: Mar 2004 Trader Rating: (0)	Wolf, I apologize for being dense, but I'm just not seeing something. For the 2 breather holes on top of the crankcase, as well as the PCV threaded into the intake manifold, how were the hoses routed? In these 2 pics, DSC02656.JPG and DSC02657.JPG, it looks like the breather hole on the pass. side of the block (the one that has the electrical connector on it) is the one going to the catchcan, but I can't tell if you've got the center breather T'd in or not. Same for the PCV behind the in mani. My issue is that I have the 257 block but most everything else is from my WRX, so my PCV setup is the old Y which used to route the lone breather and the PCV to the intake. I'm uncertain about the 2nd breather.

10-31-2005, 04:17 AM	#55
WolfPlayer Moderator & ECU Tech Car: 05 CGM STI Fav Mod: mo boostaz Location: Fredneck, MD Posts: 3,578 Join Date: Jun 2004 Trader Rating: (6)	Here ya go. PCV in red and breathers in blue. Stock: http://www.bescaredracing.com/sti/ca...pare/stock.jpg Modified: http://www.bescaredracing.com/sti/ca...e/modified.jpg t

10-31-2005, 05:35 AM	#56
Rev STI Guru Car: 06 V70R Location: Hoffman Estates, IL Posts: 5,544 Join Date: Dec 2003 Trader Rating: (0)	WolfPlayer, are you catching lots of fluid in both CCs? Mine are teed off (PCV and valvetrain vents) into one, I catch very little oil. I put in some filtration media and it gets wet and smells like oil and gas, which is good. My hose going from the PCV exhaust was black as hell, so I recently had t to replace that piece of hose for a new one. How are your CCs performing?

10-31-2005, 07:33 AM	#58
Nixlimited Professional STI Racer Car: 05 STi CGM Fav Mod: Tuning... Location: San Diego Posts: 811 Join Date: Feb 2005 Trader Rating: (0)	That setup is extremely nice. Just a note though, Harman wouldn't install catch cans in that location because of the fire danger with oil sitting that close to the turbo. Your experience seems to have disproved that possibility, but just thought it was worth noting. My catch can is actually in the drivers side wheel well.

10-31-2005, 07:50 AM	#59
Rev STI Guru Car: 06 V70R Location: Hoffman Estates, IL Posts: 5,544 Join Date: Dec 2003 Trader Rating: (0)	NixL, if you have a heatshield on your turbo, I would see no issues placing the CC near the firewall ...