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Es Tee Aye · 03-16-2008, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by iluvsti

Hmm the way I see it. More HP and speed = buy suspension upgrades = your good to go. Keep the stock handling and HP = upgrade for power and speed = your good to go.

yeah thats how i see it... but i think you have too look at it in terms of what would you rather have as a stock setup... as in if you bought the car and you wernt going to mod it for a little while, would you prefer more power with same handling or tremendous handling with same power...

Tortfeasor STi · 03-17-2008, 05:52 AM

I honestly think the next gen STI is gonna need to up its game in both power and handling. Especially if it keeps gaining weight. When the STi first came out, nothing could touch it for the price (except the EVO obv.) in any performance category. Now with the price increase, you are looking at damn near BMW money. If people have to choose between a used e46 M3 with low miles or a new STI, Subaru is going to loose a lot of sales. So I think they should either lower the price or raise the performance envelope.

**boxtwo** · 03-17-2008, 06:08 AM

I'd vote #2.

It might be more likely to see a battery-powered or Hydrogen STi in 2010 though

***///M Power*** · 03-17-2008, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Tortfeasor STi

I honestly think the next gen STI is gonna need to up its game in both power and handling. Especially if it keeps gaining weight. When the STi first came out, nothing could touch it for the price (except the EVO obv.) in any performance category. Now with the price increase, you are looking at damn near BMW money. If people have to choose between a used e46 M3 with low miles or a new STI, Subaru is going to loose a lot of sales. So I think they should either lower the price or raise the performance envelope.

STIprdr · 03-17-2008, 07:45 AM

number 2

***snorky*** · 03-17-2008, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Tortfeasor STi

I honestly think the next gen STI is gonna need to up its game in both power and handling. Especially if it keeps gaining weight. When the STi first came out, nothing could touch it for the price (except the EVO obv.) in any performance category. Now with the price increase, you are looking at damn near BMW money. If people have to choose between a used e46 M3 with low miles or a new STI, Subaru is going to loose a lot of sales. So I think they should either lower the price or raise the performance envelope.

I agree. Also, imo, there's too much focus on mass appeal which makes the car bloated in weight and price.

***///M Power*** · 03-17-2008, 10:13 AM

^^ Agree completely!

importfanatic17 · 03-17-2008, 10:34 AM

#1 baby

Tortfeasor STi · 03-17-2008, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by snorky

I agree. Also, imo, there's too much focus on mass appeal which makes the car bloated in weight and price.

This I agree with as well. As a company selling a product you need to isolate a particular need in the market and fill it. The 04 STI really zeroed in on what the car's selling points were. High performance in an affordable package with AWD. It cost tens of thousands less then its competitors (again ignoring the EVO) even when looking at the used market. It kept the price down by not having all that annoying luxury crap or sound deadening. It was a raw performance car that happened to have 4 doors. But instead of keeping this focus, Subaru decided to focus on on the yuppy market (or whatever that stupid acronym is that Subaru says describes its target audience). So what we get is a bloated luxury sports car with a larger price tag and performance that lags even the outgoing models (stock anyway). Now its lost its price advantage on its European rivals, lost its performance edge on all its rivals, and is trying to compete on amenities with the likes of BMW, its no surprise that it fails.

As a man who had his 04 stolen and is now in the market for a new car with the same needs he had when he bought the 04 (but with a better paycheck), why does Subaru think I will buy this ugly, slow turd when for a few grand more, I can get a 335xi coupe, a car that Automobile magazine says is better and FASTER then either the new STI or EVO (STI placed third by the way, so its not even close)? The answer is I'm not. In a couple of weeks, when I get the insurance check, I am shopping BMW. I loved my old STI and had the new one been just as fast and at the same price, or faster and more expensive, I would have bought it.

nice-rice · 03-17-2008, 01:34 PM

I chose two...

ninjaboy76 · 03-17-2008, 01:50 PM

I would choose a new body style...

and number 2 next.

superhero06 · 03-17-2008, 01:51 PM

Tort that is one the the best quotes you have had.

"why does Subaru think I will buy this ugly, slow turd when for a few grand more"

I could'nt agree more!

Tortfeasor STi · 03-17-2008, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by superhero06

Tort that is one the the best quotes you have had.

"why does Subaru think I will buy this ugly, slow turd when for a few grand more"

I could'nt agree more!

(takes a bow)

I was a little grumpy this morning, what with working St. Patty's day.

STIVendetta · 03-17-2008, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Es Tee Aye

made you a poll

Thank You Es Tee Aye!

STIVendetta · 03-17-2008, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Tortfeasor STi

I honestly think the next gen STI is gonna need to up its game in both power and handling. Especially if it keeps gaining weight. When the STi first came out, nothing could touch it for the price (except the EVO obv.) in any performance category. Now with the price increase, you are looking at damn near BMW money. If people have to choose between a used e46 M3 with low miles or a new STI, Subaru is going to loose a lot of sales. So I think they should either lower the price or raise the performance envelope.

View Poll Results: IF Subaru gave us enthusiasts a choice for the next STI(2010) which would you choose?
Same 305hp as the 09 but....the Handling upgrades are perfect and "nothing" under $110,000 - gets even close to its agility.	39	48.15%
Subaru gave this version 365 hp ...but the handling is the same as the previous years.	42	51.85%
Voters: 81. You may not vote on this poll

03-17-2008, 05:52 AM	#17
Tortfeasor STi S204 Racer Car: '08 335xi Coupe Fav Mod: Dinan Reflash Location: Princeton, NJ Posts: 3,461 Join Date: Aug 2005 Trader Rating: (0)	Re: ~ If ~ (POLL) I honestly think the next gen STI is gonna need to up its game in both power and handling. Especially if it keeps gaining weight. When the STi first came out, nothing could touch it for the price (except the EVO obv.) in any performance category. Now with the price increase, you are looking at damn near BMW money. If people have to choose between a used e46 M3 with low miles or a new STI, Subaru is going to loose a lot of sales. So I think they should either lower the price or raise the performance envelope.

03-17-2008, 06:08 AM	#18
boxtwo Gold Member Car: 07 OBP STi Fav Mod: Venison front Bumper mod Location: Pennsyltucky Posts: 1,382 Join Date: Jun 2007 Trader Rating: (2)	Re: ~ If ~ (POLL) I'd vote #2. It might be more likely to see a battery-powered or Hydrogen STi in 2010 though

03-17-2008, 07:45 AM	#20
STIprdr Junior STI Driver Car: 04 Subaru Impreza WR Fav Mod: Gatmo retune Location: Romania Posts: 60 Join Date: Jun 2006 Trader Rating: (0)	Re: ~ If ~ (POLL) number 2

03-17-2008, 10:13 AM	#22
*///M Power* Mod Pro Tempore for Premium Members Car: 06 WRB STI Fav Mod: 22k complete reconstruction Location: Cary, NC Posts: 1,537 Join Date: Mar 2006 Trader Rating: (1)	Re: ~ If ~ (POLL) ^^ Agree completely!

03-17-2008, 10:34 AM	#23
importfanatic17 Spec C Club Car: '05 Aspen White STi Fav Mod: EQ Tuning tune Location: Sacramento, Ca Posts: 1,760 Join Date: Apr 2007 Trader Rating: (5)	Re: ~ If ~ (POLL) #1 baby

03-17-2008, 01:34 PM	#25
nice-rice S204 Racer Car: 05 STi Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 4,114 Join Date: Jun 2005 Trader Rating: (5)	Re: ~ If ~ (POLL) I chose two...

03-17-2008, 01:50 PM	#26
ninjaboy76 Spec C Club Car: 08 CBR1000RR Fav Mod: None Location: Kansas Posts: 2,396 Join Date: Jun 2004 Trader Rating: (6)	Re: ~ If ~ (POLL) I would choose a new body style... and number 2 next.

03-17-2008, 01:51 PM	#27
superhero06 Grassroots STI Racer Car: MY06 Fav Mod: Valentine-1 Location: Sioux Falls, SD Posts: 554 Join Date: Jun 2006 Trader Rating: (0)	Re: ~ If ~ (POLL) Tort that is one the the best quotes you have had. "why does Subaru think I will buy this ugly, slow turd when for a few grand more" I could'nt agree more!