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| Silver Member Feedback Score: 3 reviews
Car: Aspen 2005 STi My Stuff: Subaru Parts Fav Mod: Seat Time Location: Columbus, GA Posts: 2,049
IWSTI Addict since: Mar 2006 | A brief history: I bought a used 2005 STI with low miles from an old guy. I'm not sure what this guy's deal was, but he owned his own business and carfax showed he registered it as a business car. It was Aspen white, but with pinstripes and door ding protectors- how dorky. He claims to have driven it regularly for a few months before switching back to his BMW 7-series as his preferred highway cruiser. The previous owner took the car to a tuner shop, and they put an intake and catless turbo-back exhaust on it with no engine management. It had horrible boost creep and was obnoxiously loud. The car had Nexus gauges ($$$) that were improperly wired and reading 22-24lbs of boost. All four tires were at a low 27psi. Since it was a great deal and I saw no signs of engine damage, I agreed to buy it anyway. It was a gamble. The car was two hours away, so I bought a one-way airline ticket to pick up the car. A few days before my flight, the previous owner called and asked where I was. He had been waiting for me all day for me at the airport on the wrong day, was pissed, and hung up on me after a few choice words. Then, he checked his e-mail, found that I did give him the correct date and that it was his secretary's mistake, and called to apologize. Things definitely weren't going well with this guy. A few days later, I picked up the car. In hindsight, I can't believe that I even went through with the deal, and I remember agonizing over it until my flight. But, it gets better- when I picked up the car, there was a hand gun in the center console. I was checking the car over just prior to saying goodbye, and, "Whoaaaaa!" I thought this rotten, suspicious deal was going to end with me being robbed. It didn't. I drove home safely and began reversing all the crap this guy had done to the car. I've since put the stock intake and exhaust back on, and switch to a quieter Cobb downpipe with a proper Cobb stage 2 tune. After an oil change and the proper tuning, the idle of the car became extremely smooth. It burns almost no oil. I gambled, and I'm glad this car has so far turned out to be a gem. My previous car was a 4cyl Mazda6 with no options- deliberate to keep weight down. It was a great car. I put an aftermarket suspension on it and raced it in DSP autocross. I tuned the car to oversteer as much as possible. It was great- the car would oversteer in a turn at anything less than full throttle. It proved to be very fast and taught (forced) me to brake early and late apex. I never once lost to another front-drive vehicle, although the BMW's in my class usually won by a large margin. I'm done with front wheel drive. Now, I plan to race the STI. I've read several books on suspension tuning and a few books on turbo engine tuning. I enjoy suspension stuff more since I've always been one to enjoy tight roads. My favorite books include:
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| Silver Member Feedback Score: 3 reviews
Car: Aspen 2005 STi My Stuff: Subaru Parts Fav Mod: Seat Time Location: Columbus, GA Posts: 2,049
IWSTI Addict since: Mar 2006 | Goal: create an STI that handles well enough to be competitive in regional STU autocross while being perfectly comfortable as a daily driver (and to do it as inexpensively as possible) Current engine modifications: Cobb downpipe (stock catback) Cobb Accessport (version 1) Cobb Street Tuner (...untouched) Current suspension modifications: Turn-In Concepts single-adjustable coilovers (6k/5k rates) Group-N strut tops GT Spec anti-lift kit "Free caster mod" Racecomp 25mm front & rear sway bars CarLab X-Brace 2007 STI OE fender braces Other products I've tried: Cobb 25mm hollow front sway bar Whiteline 24mm rear sway bar Kartboy rear endlinks Prodrive bump stops (stock front struts) Whiteline camber plates ebay Top Mount Intercooler Solid aluminum fender braces Ground Control coilover sleeves (stock struts) Ground Control custom built koni coilovers (front) koni inserts into WRX strut housings (rear) Strano 31mm front sway bar Whiteline 27mm front sway bar AEM cold air intake HKS catback exhaust Last edited by stretch; 04-02-2009 at 12:15 PM.. |
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| Immoderate Feedback Score: 8 reviews | Nice start, but how about some pics of those door guards? They're JDM I hope! |
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| Silver Member Feedback Score: 3 reviews
Car: Aspen 2005 STi My Stuff: Subaru Parts Fav Mod: Seat Time Location: Columbus, GA Posts: 2,049
IWSTI Addict since: Mar 2006 | Parts I recommend: I get asked for recommendations quite a bit. Here they are. If the part isn't listed here, I don't recommend it or I'm ignorant to it. Springs / Coilovers / Struts: I do not recommend any lowering springs for the stock struts because the stock struts have no bump travel to spare. Sway bars: To make a stock STI a whole lot more fun, add a 22mm rear sway bar. I recommend Cusco for one reason, and that is it uses rubber bushings. Every other manufacturer uses urethane, which will require periodic lubrication (every few years, if you're lucky, twice per year if you're not).Endlinks: I prefer Hotchkis endlinks for the rear. They rust, badly, but only on the exterior, not on the bearing. They are the only sealed, spherical endlink for the STI I know of, and that makes them the only great choice. Kartboy endlinks will never fail, but require periodic lubrication, and their bushing design deflects a bit.Geometry: There are substantial improvements to be made here and are not to be underestimated. Search this site for explanations as I will just give a brief overview of parts I recommend.Bushings: There are a few bushings in the car that appear to be worth replacing, and I do not wish to cover them all. The most important, in my opinion, are removing the stock front strut tops (replace with camber plates) and those in the rear lateral links. The rear lateral link bushings are quite soft, and their deflection results directly in delays to tire input.Bracing: 90% or more of bracing on the market is cosmetic, or the designer saw an exposed bolt and chose to brace that point because it was easy.Tires: I won't say anything specific here, just that tires are the most important part of the suspension. They are the first thing you consider when choosing your suspension. Do not run stiff springs/bars on soft tires. Do not run soft springs/bars on stiff tires. You pick tires based on what you want to do, then pick a suspension that works well with your tires. There's a deep science to this, but as the end user, you're left out of it. Just remember not to go too stiff on soft tires nor too soft on stiff tires. Last edited by stretch; 04-02-2009 at 12:13 PM.. |
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| Silver Member Feedback Score: 3 reviews
Car: Aspen 2005 STi My Stuff: Subaru Parts Fav Mod: Seat Time Location: Columbus, GA Posts: 2,049
IWSTI Addict since: Mar 2006 | I used to have suspension tuning information here, but it's all been moved to: http://www.buildafastercar.com Last edited by stretch; 04-02-2009 at 09:36 AM.. |
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| S204 Racer Feedback Score: 5 reviews | Thats really well thought out, and helpful. As I dont like my ride TOO stiff. |
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| resigned Feedback Score: 9 reviews | Great read, thank you! |
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| | #9 |
| Silver Member Feedback Score: 3 reviews
Car: Aspen 2005 STi My Stuff: Subaru Parts Fav Mod: Seat Time Location: Columbus, GA Posts: 2,049
IWSTI Addict since: Mar 2006 | On Coilover Development and Tuning: This is what I've read, and honestly they're quite simple rules: - Run a higher natural frequency in the rear - Use twice as much rebound resistance as bump resistance - Aim for roughly 65% critically damped (average between bump and rebound) below 3in/second, less thereafter I'm coming up with slightly different ideas although they're in the same ballpark. I haven't tested them all, yet: - Run a higher natural frequency in the rear - 50-100% critically damped in the very low speed is OK so long as there is strong digression - It is OK for digression to happen as late as 6in/sec, does not have to be at 3in/sec - Use only slightly higher bump valving than rebound up front - Use a lower damping ratio in the rear than the front for bump valving (thus requiring a higher damping ratio for rebound) to compensate for a higher rear spring frequency - Run as little high-speed bump as possible, not much high-speed rebound either Some things I've learned: - Firmer springs make your average ride quality worse since the car will respond to bumps more abruptly - Firmer dampers make your peak ride quality worse since it'll resist the suspension motion required to absorb large bumps Last edited by stretch; 01-05-2008 at 09:19 AM.. |
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| Silver Member Feedback Score: 3 reviews
Car: Aspen 2005 STi My Stuff: Subaru Parts Fav Mod: Seat Time Location: Columbus, GA Posts: 2,049
IWSTI Addict since: Mar 2006 | On choosing spring rates: Manufacturers rate their springs in kg/mm or lb/in, but neither is how you should be making your spring rate decision. (For reference, though, one kg/mm is equal to 56lbs/in.) No, instead you should be looking at the natural frequency of the spring. This magical number takes into account the suspension geometry, weight, and weight distribution of the car- which just so happens to mean that natural frequencies can be fairly compared between cars. Want your car to ride like a Cadillac? Copy its spring frequencies, not its spring rates. The STI's stock spring frequencies are roughly 1.6hz front, 1.8hz rear. This is actually pretty aggressive. For comparison, I've read the following: 1990 Mazda Miata ~ 1.15hz front, 1.01hz rear Mitsubishi Evo VIII ~ 1.3hz front, 1.2hz rear Honda S2000 ~ 1.3hz front, 1.4hz rear Lotus Elise ~ 1.8hz front and rear C4 Corvette ~ 2.0hz front and rear Most experts and textbooks would suggest use around 1.6hz front, 1.8hz rear for a sports car and 2.0hz front, 2.25hz rear for a race car. Of course, there's some wiggle room in those numbers, and we see coilovers for the STI extending all the way to roughly 2.3hz front, 2.5hz rear. The important thing here is that you do not go too stiff for the road you are driving on or you will lose grip. Remember that on a perfectly flat surface, you wouldn't need a suspension- the suspension is there for the bumps, so optimize for them accordingly. It's interesting to me that most of the cars listed above use softer or equal spring rates in the rear because I believe that is the wrong thing to do. Subaru's stock spring rates are great by comparison. Let me show you why. Let's say our front spring frequency is 1.8hz. If we make our rear frequency 1.8hz too, our chassis motion will look somewhat like what you see in the following graph: The two lines represent chassis movement at the front and rear axle. Any time they are different, the chassis is pitching fore and aft, creating an unpleasant rocking sensation. (And the speed at which this happens determines ride harshness.) You can see that equal spring frequencies and (with dampers matched identically to the springs) will produce two bumps that feel of roughly equal harshness, but the car will see substantial pitching due the front and rear of the car not settling into a rhythm with one another. We can fix this by running a higher spring frequency in the rear, which will cause the rear of the car to oscillate faster and catch up to the front oscillation: Notice how the front and rear of the spring settle together, very nice! However, now the front and rear bumps are of different magnitudes due to the firmer rear springs. While there is less chassis motion in this simulator, the change in direction is more abrupt and that's what determines ride harshness: rate of acceleration. We can soften the dampers to allow more of the bump to be absorbed by the spring, and in doing so we get this: In this graph I've reduced the rear damping to 36% critically damped, down from 50% critically damped from the previous graph. Notice the bump is now of equal magnitude front and rear, except we clearly need more damping for the rear! This is what being severely underdamped looks like- lots of body motion. We don't want this. So, what we want is that same low bump resistance, but higher rebound resistance. This graph was made in Photoshop, but the end result is intended to look somewhat like this (the particular program I was using did not support variable damping rates): What you have there is an ideal spring and damper combination for stability. Stability leads to increased grip from the tires, too. You can achieve this reduced pitching regardless of how soft or firm your springs are (to an extent). Pretty neat, eh? This is why I recommend firmer springs in the rear with less bump resistance relative to the front. Last edited by stretch; 01-05-2008 at 09:17 AM.. |
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