[boondocksaint]

Originally Posted by lackskill

I think you meant to say rich? A BOV dumps air, that was metered for fuel, to atmosphere. Thus the injectors are still told to inject fuel for extra air that is not there.

Good catch, I got'em reversed. Dislexia WTF. Fixing previous post now.

[lackskill]

Originally Posted by boondocksaint

Good catch, I got'em reversed. Dislexia WTF. Fixing previous post now.

**** the what?

[bluesubiedude]

i was just looking at xcceleration.com or what ever it is, and i saw that they had stage kits... stage1 $1900, stage2 $4000.. etc.., is it wise to purchase the kits from them, i mean those prices are pretty steep...? im not being cheap, cuz i want the best for my sti, i just want to know if there are other ways to stage my sti to the next level...

[boondocksaint]

Originally Posted by bluesubiedude

i was just looking at xcceleration.com or what ever it is, and i saw that they had stage kits... stage1 $1900, stage2 $4000.. etc.., is it wise to purchase the kits from them, i mean those prices are pretty steep...? im not being cheap, cuz i want the best for my sti, i just want to know if there are other ways to stage my sti to the next level...

Search around. There are a lot of people running Stage 2 setups that paid nowhere near $4000.

[t3h f4stAr]

Originally Posted by bluesubiedude

i was just looking at xcceleration.com or what ever it is, and i saw that they had stage kits... stage1 $1900, stage2 $4000.. etc.., is it wise to purchase the kits from them, i mean those prices are pretty steep...? im not being cheap, cuz i want the best for my sti, i just want to know if there are other ways to stage my sti to the next level...

Depends on what their stage 2 contains, if their stage 2 is just a tbe like most companys than yea that is steep

[bluesubiedude]

Originally Posted by boondocksaint

Search around. There are a lot of people running Stage 2 setups that paid nowhere near $4000.

got it!

Originally Posted by t3h f4stAr

Depends on what their stage 2 contains, if their stage 2 is just a tbe like most companys than yea that is steep

it had a tbe with an ecutek... still seems to pricey though...




so basically what is primarily involved in stage 2... i know for sure, from what i read on this forum, COBBS ACCESS PORT, TBE.... what else? why are fuel injectors so important, which fuel injectors are good and which arent? and can i reach stage 2 with the sti's stock turbo? yall are probably thinking..

"damn this dude is stupid, why did he even get a subaru"!!! sorry for the silly questions yall , im just curious as to what i can do to beef my sti up even more... ne way's on with the questions ...

does protuning have to be done at a shop where i live??? how can i pick up the boost on my sti, i know i gotta get a boost gage, but is that the only way to raise psi's? and how much psi can a stock turbo handle, and when i upgrade to a different stage, can the stock turbo handle more psi's, or is it time to get a bigger turbo set up????

[boondocksaint]

Originally Posted by bluesubiedude

so basically what is primarily involved in stage 2... i know for sure, from what i read on this forum, COBBS ACCESS PORT, TBE.... what else? why are fuel injectors so important, which fuel injectors are good and which arent? and can i reach stage 2 with the sti's stock turbo? yall are probably thinking..

does protuning have to be done at a shop where i live??? how can i pick up the boost on my sti, i know i gotta get a boost gage, but is that the only way to boost psi's? and how much psi can a stock turbo handle, and when upgrade to a different stage, can the stock turbo handle more psi's, or is it time to get a bigger turbo set up????

All you NEED for Stage 2 is, technically, a downpipe and Engine Management. Most people choose to do a full TBE, EM, maybe an intake and a protune. Stage 2 is on the stock turbo. If you do a turbo swap, you're (well) beyond Stage 2. Fuel injectors become important when you're running a higher duty cycle on your tune, as the stock injectors are already towards the top of their ability. in other words, if you need much more fuel, you'll need new injectors (and a new pump) to supply it.

A boost guage measures boost, it does not increase it. There are many ways to run higher boost, but that's really a very complex activity. A protune will typically fiddle with your boost targets and power band. I don't know what the top end of the stock snail is.

Somebody pwn me if I'm giving bad information.

[bluesubiedude]

Originally Posted by boondocksaint

All you NEED for Stage 2 is, technically, a downpipe and Engine Management. Most people choose to do a full TBE, EM, maybe an intake and a protune. Stage 2 is on the stock turbo. If you do a turbo swap, you're (well) beyond Stage 2.Fuel injectors become important when you're running a higher duty cycle on your tune, as the stock injectors are already towards the top of their ability. in other words, if you need much more fuel, you'll need new injectors (and a new pump) to supply it.

A boost guage measures boost, it does not increase it. There are many ways to run higher boost, but that's really a very complex activity. A protune will typically fiddle with your boost targets and power band. I don't know what the top end of the stock snail is.

Somebody pwn me if I'm giving bad information.

where can i get a protune done, is there something i can buy to do it myself... which im assuming not, cuz its called a protune, but id thought id ask?

and would it be bad if i change fuel injectors regardless?

and if im not mistaken, there are boost controllers arent there, so would i be able to buy one of those to get more boost??? btw, thanks for the info!

[boondocksaint]

Originally Posted by bluesubiedude

where can i get a protune done, is there something i can buy to do it myself... which im assuming not, cuz its called a protune, but id thought id ask?

There are self-tuners, and it can be done by one's self. However, I *highly* advise caution in this area. Check the ECU/Engine Management Forum for a primer and information from people who know 11ty billion times more than me.

Originally Posted by bluesubiedude

and would it be bad if i change fuel injectors regardless?

Again, check the forum I mentioned above. I don't know what's involved in getting the ECU/injectors to play well together. Anything I say here would be speculation at best.

Originally Posted by bluesubiedude

and if im not mistaken, there are boost controllers arent there, so would i be able to buy one of those to get more boost??? btw, thanks for the info!

The ECU, to my knowledge, should be your boost controller. Again, check that forum. Read every thread if you can. More knowledge = less chance of grenading your engine.

[t3h f4stAr]

Originally Posted by bluesubiedude

where can i get a protune done, is there something i can buy to do it myself... which im assuming not, cuz its called a protune, but id thought id ask?

and would it be bad if i change fuel injectors regardless?

and if im not mistaken, there are boost controllers arent there, so would i be able to buy one of those to get more boost??? btw, thanks for the info!

The best thing would be to buy a Cobb AP and a tbe so you can go stage 2. If you then fell you want more then get a protune at a local dynoshop that tunes cobb, you can find certified cobb tuners on cobb's website.

If you want to get bigger injectors get them before you get the protune so you wont have to go back for a retune. And for the boost controllers, theres no need for one since they can turn up your boost with the AP.

If you feel you can tune it yourself cobb sells a Street Tuner which allows you to do so.