[13onesti]

Originally Posted by riggy30

The EWG will get ride of your over-boosting issue, help your turbo spool even faster , sounds mean as hell, you'll have a much smother power-band, and will add anywhere from 15-30whp. It will also compliment your upgraded turbo once you go that route. Good luck!

YES it can but if its not set up right. it will also over boost haha. i have few friends and also few people only running pass 23 PSI on stockers with stock wastegate and they have no problem what so ever. i guess the tuning just so good (but i do know its mechanical problem)... As for helping the turbo spool even faster. TUNER skills plays a big roll on that. same with the power-band. and as for gaining 15whp mite be possible but 30whp gain on stock turbo is a bit much

i think those poeple with 30whp gain EWG on stockturbo. the tuner prolly just got more ballsy and decide to run more timing and boost.

[rjacobs]

Originally Posted by STI-LOS

Hey whats up, just wondering why your tuner said no need for Injectors?? My injectors failed @ Stg 2 and your looking to go all out STG 2 especially with all the airflow you are gonna see you should do injectors. You will no doubt max your stocker out for sure and that up to you and your tuner but if your tuner suggests running them at 100% I would think twice, your meth is gonna help you with your IDC depending if your spraying all the time. But with that nice list of mods you have I dont see how you would not go for injectors just my .o2 but injectors are the number # supporting mod in my eyes especially in your case since you want to run a bigger turbo in the future. I would add injectors on that list. Just as an example I made 288WHP/306TQ and my injectors failed @ 17.5 PSI I added 740cc injectors and I made 316WHP/355TQ on the same dyno.. Just a thought dude, cause I dont see why your tuner would say no need for injectors

With meth, his IDC's will drop roughly 20% or so, which gives him plenty of headroom. He will be spraying meth in the area where the IDC would be getting maxed out.

[STI-LOS]

Originally Posted by rjacobs

With meth, his IDC's will drop roughly 20% or so, which gives him plenty of headroom. He will be spraying meth in the area where the IDC would be getting maxed out.

Yeah I stated that. 20% drop I dont know about that. Is he spraying all the time meaning is he gonna run a Meth map and a non meth map is what I meant.

[Seventy STi]

Meth map only. Run it all the time.

[VSGTS14]

drop the short ram and get a CAI.

[STI-LOS]

Originally Posted by 13onesti

that 316whp was that on 17psi and just added injectors? if so thats a very very high reading dyno my friend. sorry no hate intented.

injectors really depends on tuners preference. hell back then " STAGE 2 CAR? With aftermarket INJECTORS " people will think your facking crazy. overkill and so on and so on. hell, me and my Tuner are really the first folks to try to run bigger injectors on the stock turbo. and also at the time no one knew or gave deastchwerks injectors any credit for qaulity injectors. since we were planning to max it out on the first place. but we then later we really didnt need 650cc injectors stocks ones were just fine really. and btw 04 05 06 injectors are smaller than 07 injectors

and two cars runing 12.0xx or faster is btw on stock injectors 04 05 06 STi.

like i said its all about tuners opinion when it comes to fuel delivery. im sure no tuner want to tune some really big injector for that turbo.

Like I said in my post its just my .02 about getting injectors. I have seen plenty of STG 2 car max out there injectors with the car having so much airflow and just not enough fuel. In my case we were limited how much boost/timing we could run towards redline...actually 5500 and up. My second set of numbers were at 20PSI.

Anyway this subject is always debated like every other thing. But I dont see how you can upgrade everything else and leave your fuel system alone

[STI-LOS]

Originally Posted by Seventy STi

Meth map only. Run it all the time.

Thats cool, yeah if you have the money for injectors I would def do them, I mean your planing on getting a bigger turbo right? Your gonna have to do them regardless.

[13onesti]

Originally Posted by STI-LOS

Thats cool, yeah if you have the money for injectors I would def do them, I mean your planing on getting a bigger turbo right? Your gonna have to do them regardless.

my tuner and his future tuner. and he doenst require injectors. why would he upgrade injectors if its not needed. we all know aftermarket injectors has thier own problem. why create more problems? im pretty sure if he gets injectors now he wont use that same injectors when he has a big turbo. and im sure if you upgrade to fpgreen, gt30 from the looks of it your 740cc injectors is gonna run out.

and im pretty damn sure any damn tuner will not want to tune a 800cc or bigger injectors on a stock turbo car.

yes your stock injectors got maxed out at 17.5 psi which is kinda weird cuz i my self has ran my car all the way to 24 psi w/ stock injectors 04 05 06 and i have gotten very good result and no problem what so ever.

how long has people been tuning stage 2 sti? since the ecutek days in early 2004 and what year is it now 2008. from 2004 - 2007 no one even thought about running bigger injectors to run 20psi on stock turbo. and thats with a smaller injector from 04 05 06 compared to 07. just early last year no one even thought about running bigger injectors on stock turbo. untill me and tuner decide to say what the hell with it. and just try it since deatchwerks at the time offered them for $250 (now they are $390 )and core exchange value $150. so really im paying $100 bucks for 650cc injectors. since we plan on maxing the hell out it doenst hurt. then we got good result, and got real good attention cuz it ran 11s. then all of a sudden injectors became a must for stock turbo set up even on pump gas, ahhh.

so what i dont get it took 3 years to figure out a stage 2 step cars needs injectors?

i respect your opinion so no hate intented but judging from your joined date jan 2008 your very new at modding STi... and only been reading the recent post. about stage 2 sti " needs injectors "

[STI-LOS]

Originally Posted by 13onesti

my tuner and his future tuner. and he doenst require injectors. why would he upgrade injectors if its not needed. we all know aftermarket injectors has thier own problem. why create more problems? im pretty sure if he gets injectors now he wont use that same injectors when he has a big turbo. and im sure if you upgrade to fpgreen, gt30 from the looks of it your 740cc injectors is gonna run out.

and im pretty damn sure any damn tuner will not want to tune a 800cc or bigger injectors on a stock turbo car.

yes your stock injectors got maxed out at 17.5 psi which is kinda weird cuz i my self has ran my car all the way to 24 psi w/ stock injectors 04 05 06 and i have gotten very good result and no problem what so ever.

how long has people been tuning stage 2 sti? since the ecutek days in early 2004 and what year is it now 2008. from 2004 - 2007 no one even thought about running bigger injectors to run 20psi on stock turbo. and thats with a smaller injector from 04 05 06 compared to 07. just early last year no one even thought about running bigger injectors on stock turbo. untill me and tuner decide to say what the hell with it. and just try it since deatchwerks at the time offered them for $250 (now they are $390 )and core exchange value $150. so really im paying $100 bucks for 650cc injectors. since we plan on maxing the hell out it doenst hurt. then we got good result, and got real good attention cuz it ran 11s. then all of a sudden injectors became a must for stock turbo set up even on pump gas, ahhh.

so what i dont get it took 3 years to figure out a stage 2 step cars needs injectors?

i respect your opinion so no hate intented but judging from your joined date jan 2008 your very new at modding STi... and only been reading the recent post. about stage 2 sti " needs injectors "

Like I said before it can be debated all day long dude...My .02 there worth every penny, my 740cc arent gonna run out cause I am running a 20G in the future. At $489 shipped for 740cc and the $200+ you can get all day long on ebay for the stockers for me the $280 investment was well worth it.. Why cause my injectors failed at 17.5 psi STG 2.

As for my join date = lack of knowledge and being new to modding that would be a assumption on your part, sort like the assumption, that you think you know all cause your car ran a 11.7 you feel me.. So no hate on this end either but my suggestion for injectors has nothing to do with some post about STG 2 Injectors it has to do with my personal experience.

[riggy30]

Originally Posted by 13onesti

YES it can but if its not set up right. it will also over boost haha. i have few friends and also few people only running pass 23 PSI on stockers with stock wastegate and they have no problem what so ever. i guess the tuning just so good (but i do know its mechanical problem)... As for helping the turbo spool even faster. TUNER skills plays a big roll on that. same with the power-band. and as for gaining 15whp mite be possible but 30whp gain on stock turbo is a bit much

i think those poeple with 30whp gain EWG on stockturbo. the tuner prolly just got more ballsy and decide to run more timing and boost.

I'm assuming his tuner is competent enough to tune the parts he chooses to put on his car and do a good job. If his tuner sucks, then it doesn't matter what parts he puts on his car, it's not going to perform well. I know the tuner plays a HUGE role in the performance of the car, but you also need to give the tuner a good platform to start making power with. The EWG is much easier to tune and will make more power than a IWG for a few different reasons. 15-30whp is all relative to what parts/mods you have on the car and it's just a ballpark figure. Yes, 30whp on the stock turbo might not happen, but you never know... Assuming his tuner is good, he will have more power, turbo will spool faster, and the power-band will be smoother.