[Horhay]

wow, lots of hating on the 20g...

Since the OP was asking about a DD car, lets assume for a minute that when he said "max'd out VF39" he didn't really mean MAX'D!!!! OUT!!!! VF39. If I were the OP, I'd get the rims. Save the power stuff for when you know what you want. A stage 2 STi is plenty quick.

BTW, seat of the pants experience with autocrossing (I know, not drag racing, but drag isn't really my thing) has shown me that the power from the 20G is MUCH more usable than the power from the VF39. My VF39 made 282whp and 290ftlbs, my 20G made 362whp and 353ftlbs, and that was at 19psi. Now I know that my stock turbo wasn't maxed out by any means, it was just stage 2 mods, but the character of a 20G car is noticeably different than the character of a vf39 car. I'm not going to say that I could run an 11.xx, or that my car SHOULD even do that, but I am certainly very happy with my car's performance, and I do not feel that my 20G was a waste of money.

[Hitman83]

^^^Exactly. And a MAXED out 20g will wipe the floor with a MAXED out VF39. To think otherwise is just ignorant. Sure the VF39 is less laggy and more dd friendly but if someone's after 350whp with a powerband that holds to the redline, the 20g fits the bill. They may be close in a 1/4 mile drag as a result of 1st and 2nd gear lag in the 20g, but it wouldn't be much of a race if both cars lined up at 40mph and floored it.

[13onesti]

Originally Posted by Horhay

wow, lots of hating on the 20g...

Since the OP was asking about a DD car, lets assume for a minute that when he said "max'd out VF39" he didn't really mean MAX'D!!!! OUT!!!! VF39. If I were the OP, I'd get the rims. Save the power stuff for when you know what you want. A stage 2 STi is plenty quick.

BTW, seat of the pants experience with autocrossing (I know, not drag racing, but drag isn't really my thing) has shown me that the power from the 20G is MUCH more usable than the power from the VF39. My VF39 made 282whp and 290ftlbs, my 20G made 362whp and 353ftlbs, and that was at 19psi. Now I know that my stock turbo wasn't maxed out by any means, it was just stage 2 mods, but the character of a 20G car is noticeably different than the character of a vf39 car. I'm not going to say that I could run an 11.xx, or that my car SHOULD even do that, but I am certainly very happy with my car's performance, and I do not feel that my 20G was a waste of money.

by all means im not hating on the 20g turbo

i just feel they arent worth the effort or the money

im glad your happy with your 20g turboed STi.

[13onesti]

Originally Posted by Hitman83

^^^Exactly. And a MAXED out 20g will wipe the floor with a MAXED out VF39. To think otherwise is just ignorant. Sure the VF39 is less laggy and more dd friendly but if someone's after 350whp with a powerband that holds to the redline, the 20g fits the bill. They may be close in a 1/4 mile drag as a result of 1st and 2nd gear lag in the 20g, but it wouldn't be much of a race if both cars lined up at 40mph and floored it.

read this link
Topspeed 20g 11.77 @115 at the Rock - Proven Power Bragging - NASIOC

i think all the top ten fastest stock turbo are running stock BOV like this 20g turboed sti

LOLZ hahahahahaahahaha come on bro
do you even know how trapspeed works when it comes racing from a roll? (not starting from a stand still)

like i said both cars have same engine same weight same gearing and both are trapping 115 - 116mph

how does a starting from 40mph make a difference????????

Turbo civic vs sti From roll

read post number 15 and 30

you keep mentionin dyno numbers
heres a good example why dyno numbers cannot be compared
my friend with supercharged Camaro SS made 395 - 400whp on a Dynojet. after few hours of his tuned we decided we will bring it do a my friends Mustang Dyno (bone stock sti reads 215 - 220whp) the Camaro SS made 310 - 315whp on mustang dyno, looked like the car was loosing power, he took it around the block he said the car feels fine, 1 weak later we brought it a different shop who has Dynojet. and he dynoed best 410WHP. that is a very good example why dyno numbers cannot be compared. they can also be alterted to read low or read high.


like i said b4 20g is not worth the upgrade from the stock turbo. for its price and result

just go with FPgreen or bigger and be done with it

[13onesti]

Originally Posted by importfanatic17

Well I've seen Earl run and he is damn fast. He is still internally gated and was running 12.0x which was insane. But yeah, that is a little fishy, huh? So you know, I ran at Sac Raceway w/my Stage 2 tune and I couldn't even break 12's with a 1.7 60 foot.

Earl is indeed a crazy guy/ w a fast car

alot of people say sacramento raceway is fast track because top 3 are on sac. norcal has many fast subaru but none have ran into tens or i have not scene or heard about a bone stock sti run in 12s, many modded STi has trouble getting out 13s. and norcal has lots of good drivers

[Horhay]

Originally Posted by 13onesti

like i said b4 20g is not worth the upgrade from the stock turbo.

Maybe if youre only going to drag race. A 20G STi is definately alot more fun than a stock turbo STi in the day to day (and during autox). Trust me, Ive had both.

[13onesti]

Originally Posted by Horhay

Maybe if youre only going to drag race. A 20G STi is definately alot more fun than a stock turbo STi in the day to day (and during autox). Trust me, Ive had both.

well its kind hard to compared your 20g set up to a nearly stockish vf39 set up.

but yea

[Horhay]

its really not. I added injectors, fuel pump, and turbo to get to the 20g setup. A few thousand miles after that I added a larger exhaust and el header. Other than that the car is exactly the same as when I ran the stock turbo.

[13onesti]

Originally Posted by Horhay

its really not. I added injectors, fuel pump, and turbo to get to the 20g setup. A few thousand miles after that I added a larger exhaust and el header. Other than that the car is exactly the same as when I ran the stock turbo.

i guess so
but were you tuned on the stock turbo
and how much PSi are you running on the 20g turbo




maybe i should just redit all my post and say im wrong and you guys win this arguement LOL hahahaaha LOL


but the OP is asking this

Originally Posted by treefolk

I've been thinking of either getting :




A) Maddad Header + AEM Cold Air Intake + Meth Kit to Max out my VF39 (and a tune of cuz)

or

B) 20G + Injectors (and tune)


Thanks!

(ps, I am at cobb stage 2 now, running on 91octane, daily driver)

[Horhay]

yes I was tuned, and the 20g runs 19psi. I don't think you should edit your posts but I would say maybe just realize your opinion is not fact, its just your opinion. You don't need to agree with me, since all I've posted is my opinion about my experiences.

Like I said tho, OP should get the rims.

[13onesti]

Originally Posted by Horhay

yes I was tuned, and the 20g runs 19psi. I don't think you should edit your posts but I would say maybe just realize your opinion is not fact, its just your opinion. You don't need to agree with me, since all I've posted is my opinion about my experiences.

Like I said tho, OP should get the rims.

yup
i know my car is not maxed out yet i have another my car has 11.6 11.5 and big MAYBE a 11.4 11.3

but yea the owner should get some badass rims

hahaa i know i did when i had a choice to do more power or looks hahaa

[Hitman83]

^^^Dude your car is a freak of nature! Man I wish mine could do that! I've got a 20g going in and only hope to run those times, heck I'll settle for a 12.0.

I know 11.7's your fastest, but what do you typically run? 12.1x's all day any day?

[treefolk]

Wow, I haven't back to this thread for only one day and it's like 5 pages long o_O"...

(and how come everytime I start a topic it usually end up with a guru discuss thread, lol)

Thanks for the advise so far Really helps

As for now, I really think a maxed out vf39 would be a better choice since I roll on 91octane and If I maxed out the vf39 I can still upgrade to 20G later so I will have all the supporting mods to maxed out my 20G

Meanwhile... the CE28 is like 10years wait time so I think I'd better just put down some deposit and wait, wait and wait

As for the vf39 and 20G power or 1/4mile, I really have no idea as I never been to a track before, I'm sure I will run with the same result cuz I drag sucks XD

Btw, is K&N Typhoon worth to upgrade instead of AEM?... It kind of scary to use CAI since it so close to the group... it might suck in water (rainy season in SF now)

(ps, I really want a 20G but maybe lets maxed out my stock turbo first :P And I know I will run 14.0 with either vf39 or 20G)

[AllWheelDriven]

I vote for CE28Ns
Of course my opinion is biased since I just picked up the last new set of Time Attacks in the country



weighed 13lbs each in 17x8.5 +50
almost 8 pounds per wheel lighter than stock.

[13onesti]

Originally Posted by Hitman83

^^^Dude your car is a freak of nature! Man I wish mine could do that! I've got a 20g going in and only hope to run those times, heck I'll settle for a 12.0.

I know 11.7's your fastest, but what do you typically run? 12.1x's all day any day?

thanks for the compliment

i run low 12s all day with TBE and ported n caoted stock headers, and tune

when i ran my 11.7 i only had 1 good pass out of 6 tries. at the time cobb had major problem with +06 ECU WRX and STI, that if you shift fast it will cut the boost, and fuel since the ecu has this safety thing that 04 05 doesnt have. in order to defeat that you basicly have to completely get out the gas and clutch in all the way then shift. and track was becoming an issue

listen to my car carefully

dont mind the video and music it sucks haha
YouTube - ................................


here video of all my pass i didnt include 2 other pass i basicly just bogged