[TheLimitedProject]

Website price listing for turbo kits is not indicative in the least of what a turbo upgrade is really going to cost.

Notes:
- The spreadsheets below are NOT all inclusive, and it's not 100% accurate as each person will likely get a different final price based on their negotiating skills.
- Each person will choose different parts manufacturers for things like intakes, intercoolers, BOV's, so I've taken a rough estimate of each part cost favoring towards the higher end products (eBay buyers will save a lot more than the prices I listed).
- Sales, specials, shipping, tax etc is not factored in.
- Labour costs are not factored in either, as some people would do it themselves, and others would have a shop do it. Add that cost in if it applies to you.
- For the big turbo builds, top end motor work 'should' be done as well, but it's not a necessity. If applicable, add in the cost of cams, new valves, head work, all block hardware etc, and labour to the cost.



Things of note:
1) Full-Race is not as expensive as everyone makes them out to be. They come in at slightly more expensive than UR on paper, but factor in twinscroll, a manifold, and an uppipe into the cost and they're less expensive.

2) Ultimate Racing has an adapter kit for TurboXS FMIC and APS FMIC piping that costs $350, while the others would either be direct bolt-on or require custom fabbing.

3) I added in an estimated labour cost of 25 hours @ $90. That's an estimate so it could be a lot more or a lot less depending on how complicated the build is and if there are any problems.



Things of note:
1) Once again, Perrin is the least expensive rotated mount turbo, while Ultimate Racing would come in as the most expensive if you add in a new manifold and uppipe. If not, Full-Race is the priciest.

2) Stock mount turbos come in ~$1,100 cheaper than rotated mount kits, BUT add in the cost of a Tial 44mm WG plus the fabricating required for either a DTA tube or plumbing back into the DP (~$500-800) and the difference is even less.

3) The price difference between rotated mount turbos and stock mount turbos after adding everything in is negligible IMO. It's a matter of preference and how much you want to gain from the setup.

4) I added in an estimated labour cost of 15 hours @ $90. That's an estimate so it could be a lot more or a lot less depending on how complicated the build is and if there are any problems.

Hope this helps you guys spend your money wisely

[QuickSilverSTi]

Man, I try to never think of the cost of this stuff. I may have to add you to by block list now

[blindfold]

and then add $1000 for just-case-it-breaks situations.

how do you apply different colors to cells in Excel? Looks great.

[YeloFva]

Man that is a great write up/spread sheet. You have also discouraged me from ever upgrading my turbo. My wallet said thank you

[TIMELESS]

crazy to see how much things cost...and this is only the engine we're talking about as opposed to other things we mod from the car

[TheLimitedProject]

^Yeah guys, crazy eh? Just pure power modifications.

This is mainly for big turbo builds though. The word on the street is that for 30R sized turbos - GT52, Dom II, Dom III, FP Green, APS SR56 - those 52-56lb/min turbos don't really require a built bottom end if you have a good tune. It's obviously still a good idea since it will be on the edge.

What I found interesting was how close Full-Race was price-wise to UR when all was said and done, and how APS was so much more expensive. Personally, I'd never, ever consider the Perrin kit, but it is a popular name out there so I figured I should include it.

ps. I was pretty conservative with the built block $$

[blindfold]

for 3500 range, you are getting only forged rods and pistons.

Would big turbo build require a sleeved block? Not sure how strong the stock sleeves are...

[srt42sti]

you should really include a tbe price on all the kits as there is no way youd want to run the stock set up on any of these

[TheLimitedProject]

Originally Posted by blindfold

for 3500 range, you are getting only forged rods and pistons.

Would big turbo build require a sleeved block? Not sure how strong the stock sleeves are...

Probably require new sleeves as well. That's bumps things up a bit too... but some might stick with just rods and pistons so I guess that's another thing to factor in on an individual build.

Originally Posted by srt42sti

you should really include a tbe price on all the kits as there is no way youd want to run the stock set up on any of these

Well, I did for the APS listing, but the others all include a DP. So really, it'd be adding in a CB of at least a 3" diameter.
Factor in another $500-800?

edit: I added in a CBE for $600. This is getting more painful by the second

[Datadatum]

Thanks for putting this together.

You must be either an accountant or an engineer.

[Neanderthal Racing]

i completely appreciate the effort and i'm sure the spreadsheet is on the money. to that i would add that, once you start with any of these turbo kits, you will need to spend a lot more money on suspension, brakes, and everything else, assuming you have the smarts to make sure the rest of the car can keep up with all the power. you can start doubling or tripling what you see listed here.

[Datadatum]

Yes Bruce, we know... we know...

[Deus Ex Machina]

You have to 2 exhaust's listed on the APS column (TBE and CBE).

[MKTURBO]

matt i wish you would of listed a 30r (gt53, blouch) sized setup in comparison to the rotate mount kits........right now im trying to decide if i should go rotate mount VS. standard mount....personally i know i'd never go 35r, but im contemplating if i should go with a gt52 as you have or just wait for a 30r rotate down the road.....can you add a column into your raw azz spread sheet with rotate mount 30r and stock mount gt52? pretty please with sugar on top?

or can you make another spread sheet compairing rotate mount 30r such as full race compaired to a aps/gt52 setup.....basically what you have right now......

[TheLimitedProject]

Originally Posted by Datadatum

Thanks for putting this together.

You must be either an accountant or an engineer.

Lol, neither. But I love a good damn spreadsheet

Originally Posted by Neanderthal Racing

i completely appreciate the effort and i'm sure the spreadsheet is on the money. to that i would add that, once you start with any of these turbo kits, you will need to spend a lot more money on suspension, brakes, and everything else, assuming you have the smarts to make sure the rest of the car can keep up with all the power. you can start doubling or tripling what you see listed here.

Absolutely. I was debating throwing that in there, but there are too many variables.
I'd guess at another $2,500 for a very capable suspension setup, another $500-1000 for brakes, another $500-1000 for a water/meth injection system, tires, wheels.... the list goes on and on.
My guess is that a full-out modded STI (that's still sane, ie. not your car) is probably looking at $15-40k in parts and labour.

Originally Posted by Deus Ex Machina

You have to 2 exhaust's listed on the APS column (TBE and CBE).

Thanks - fixed.

Originally Posted by MKTURBO

matt i wish you would of listed a 30r (gt53, blouch) sized setup in comparison to the rotate mount kits........right now im trying to decide if i should go rotate mount VS. standard mount....personally i know i'd never go 35r, but im contemplating if i should go with a gt52 as you have or just wait for a 30r rotate down the road.....can you add a column into your raw azz spread sheet with rotate mount 30r and stock mount gt52? pretty please with sugar on top?

or can you make another spread sheet compairing rotate mount 30r such as full race compaired to a aps/gt52 setup.....basically what you have right now......

I added a new spreadsheet. It's not as clear cut as the first since there are so many options for intakes, exhausts, EM, but I gave you a rough estimate

I think the new spreadsheet clearly shows that the difference in cost of going rotated or stock is negligible.

Interesting stuff