Planning a turbo build? This is the price breakdown. Full-Race, APS, UR, Perrin, ET. - Page 3

TheLimitedProject · 11-26-2007, 12:05 PM

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True. Very true.

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Originally Posted by Tomerville

Wow, this is really helping me eliminate the possibility of a big turbo build. Thanks!

Not even kidding, this is saving me money.

I'm sure a bunch of vendors are really happy with me

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Originally Posted by jasv11

Just spotted that you charged twice for the intake on the UR build

Excellent post, thanks.

Noted, thanks for the heads up.

***Neanderthal Racing*** · 11-26-2007, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by TheLimitedProject

Absolutely. I was debating throwing that in there, but there are too many variables. I'd guess at another $2,500 for a very capable suspension setup, another $500-1000 for brakes, another $500-1000 for a water/meth injection system, tires, wheels.... the list goes on and on.
My guess is that a full-out modded STI (that's still sane, ie. not your car) is probably looking at $15-40k in parts and labour.

folks showing interest in this thread might want to check out this piece i did on big project builds:
how to plan a big project build (if you are not an expert, yourself)

only the strong survive.

Flycaster · 11-26-2007, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TheLimitedProject

...My guess is that a full-out modded STI (that's still sane, ie. not your car) is probably looking at $15-40k in parts and labour.

Good guess. Every time I see the "I have $5K for my 500whp project - how should I spend it?" thread on the boards, I just cringe. No only are they $10-15K short on the front end, but what the hell are they going to do when (not if) something goes badly wrong down the road?

**Inn-Tune** · 11-26-2007, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by jasv11

Just spotted that you charged twice for the intake on the UR build

Excellent post, thanks.

He also charged twice for the uppipe. Intake and uppipe are both part of the standard UR 35R kit. 500 bucks should be removed for those two parts.

Then remove a few hundred more from all kits except Full Race since the others aren't sold at full retail.

I also disagree with listing a header for all kits as if it's necessary. Plenty of car run 10's or better on bone stock unported manifolds and I doubt a Full Race 35R kit spools appreciably better than a UR one for instance.

Built block, BOV, and boost control solenoid upgrades are also not required, but you listed them across the board so they don't skew things from kit to kit. All of those stock parts are okay at say 26 psi or so.

Don't forget a good clutch or you won't get far and tuning at 200 bucks isn't realistic for a custom ECU tune, let alone a standalone tune.

A fuel rail upgrade or at least a parallel mod should be added as well for safety. TGV delete optional, but recommended.

Other items such as ignition system upgrades come into play at a certain point, but that's too specific for this comparison.

I hope you're not offended. I'm just trying to make your comparison/suggested parts list more accurate.

TheLimitedProject · 11-26-2007, 09:38 PM

^lol, looks like I was picking on Ultimate Racing. Sorry man - seems like you may have a vested interest in them

I'll fix those errors and update the sheet.

I was trying to be as unbiased as possible and to keep the numbers as straight and consistent across the board. The only time I'd deviate is if a manufacturer (like Perrin or Crawford) included a part like a FMIC with their kit, or say the APS kit that strongly recommends their manifold, that was listed at a certain price.

And like I said in the beginning, pricing won't be 100% exact become there are always specials, sales, buddies, buying used, buying off eBay, stealing stuff...

We all know that you can get away with the stock headers, but realistically a lot of people are going to swap them out for gains. The fact that Full-Race and Perrin include them in their "kits" means that they should be included across the board as well.

I should add a miscellaneous column for clutch, fueling upgrades, and an "oh ****" fund. I'll see what I can do....

I put the tune down at $500, but that was being very generous. I know my protune and dyno time was over $1000... but again it just depends.

Just to be clear again, this is just a rough estimate. Whether the total cost of a build is $15k or $17k... at that point the lines become vague. It's simply safe to say that it's going to cost a **** load of money.

The two most important things I learned from doing this was that I realized every big turbo build is very close in price, and the difference in cost of going rotated versus staying stock mount is negligible. So, with that said, for the maximum price difference of $1,500, I'd go with the company that made the highest quality products, had the best fitment, the best customer support, and would be as reliable as possible.

And BTW, I wasn't offended at all - this is good discussion

EDIT: Added in miscellaneous costs for clutch + install, fuel rail kit, and general extra expense. Also fixed UR errors on both sheets, and added another $500 to tuning.

**Inn-Tune** · 11-27-2007, 05:24 AM

Nicely done. Your charts show the small difference in price between stock mount and rotated kits nicely. Yea I think clutch would be a good one to add because once you consider the part, resurfacing your flywheel or buying a light one and labor it's a significant amount of money.

I actually sell all those parts except Full Race, but I did chose UR for my own car and it is my favorite.

mofoSTI · 12-03-2007, 11:36 AM

After looking at those numbers I might as well leave my car with the stock turbo on it.

ix8vii · 01-06-2008, 12:37 AM

good info

elusiveDesires · 01-22-2008, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by TheLimitedProject

Personally, I'd never, ever consider the Perrin kit, but it is a popular name out there so I figured I should include it.

Just curious, why would you never consider the Perrin kit?

Great write-up btw. Very informative.

modaddict · 01-24-2008, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by elusiveDesires

Just curious, why would you never consider the Perrin kit?

Great write-up btw. Very informative.

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chrisek · 01-24-2008, 05:50 PM

Thanks for the costs involved. I'm now thinking a stage 2 protune and wait for a used FP green (and supporting mods) down the road.

jutes85 · 01-24-2008, 08:36 PM

Any ballpark on Cosworth or should Dasani just fess up?

TheLimitedProject · 01-25-2008, 07:01 AM

^A Cosworth longblock is $11-12k. So take out the $4k listed for a shortblock and add $12k.

BTW, I seriously short changed on labour

**Inn-Tune** · 01-28-2008, 03:38 PM

And the Cosworth isn't sleeved so don't try cranking the boost or the bores will shift like any other 2.5L STi shortblock...

TheLimitedProject · 01-28-2008, 04:21 PM

^But that's only a problem at a legitimate 500+whp (ie. not Dynojet numbers), right?

11-26-2007, 09:38 PM	#35
TheLimitedProject Spec C Club Car: 07 STI LTD/08 STI Fav Mod: APS/Crawford/Cosworth/Aquamist Location: E-town, AB Posts: 2,338 Join Date: Apr 2005 Trader Rating: (5)	Re: Planning a turbo build? This is the price breakdown. Full-Race, APS, UR, Perrin, ^lol, looks like I was picking on Ultimate Racing. Sorry man - seems like you may have a vested interest in them I'll fix those errors and update the sheet. I was trying to be as unbiased as possible and to keep the numbers as straight and consistent across the board. The only time I'd deviate is if a manufacturer (like Perrin or Crawford) included a part like a FMIC with their kit, or say the APS kit that strongly recommends their manifold, that was listed at a certain price. And like I said in the beginning, pricing won't be 100% exact become there are always specials, sales, buddies, buying used, buying off eBay, stealing stuff... We all know that you can get away with the stock headers, but realistically a lot of people are going to swap them out for gains. The fact that Full-Race and Perrin include them in their "kits" means that they should be included across the board as well. I should add a miscellaneous column for clutch, fueling upgrades, and an "oh **" fund. I'll see what I can do.... I put the tune down at $500, but that was being very generous. I know my protune and dyno time was over $1000... but again it just depends. Just to be clear again, this is just a rough estimate. Whether the total cost of a build is $15k or $17k... at that point the lines become vague. It's simply safe to say that it's going to cost a ** load of money. The two most important things I learned from doing this was that I realized every big turbo build is very close in price, and the difference in cost of going rotated versus staying stock mount is negligible. So, with that said, for the maximum price difference of $1,500, I'd go with the company that made the highest quality products, had the best fitment, the best customer support, and would be as reliable as possible. And BTW, I wasn't offended at all - this is good discussion EDIT: Added in miscellaneous costs for clutch + install, fuel rail kit, and general extra expense. Also fixed UR errors on both sheets, and added another $500 to tuning. Last edited by TheLimitedProject : 11-26-2007 at 10:03 PM.

11-27-2007, 05:24 AM	#36
Inn-Tune Authorized Vendor Car: STi GT35R Powered Fav Mod: Innovative Tuning Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 216 Join Date: Jan 2006 Trader Rating: (0)	Re: Planning a turbo build? This is the price breakdown. Full-Race, APS, UR, Perrin, Nicely done. Your charts show the small difference in price between stock mount and rotated kits nicely. Yea I think clutch would be a good one to add because once you consider the part, resurfacing your flywheel or buying a light one and labor it's a significant amount of money. I actually sell all those parts except Full Race, but I did chose UR for my own car and it is my favorite.

12-03-2007, 11:36 AM	#37
mofoSTI Spec C Club Car: 08 STI,sr20det 510 Fav Mod: boob job for wife Location: springtuckey, OR Posts: 2,442 Join Date: Sep 2004 Trader Rating: (0)	Re: Planning a turbo build? This is the price breakdown. Full-Race, APS, UR, Perrin, After looking at those numbers I might as well leave my car with the stock turbo on it.

01-06-2008, 12:37 AM	#38
ix8vii Senior STI Driver Fav Mod: Removing dealer plates Location: CA Posts: 354 Join Date: Jan 2005 Trader Rating: (2)	Re: Planning a turbo build? This is the price breakdown. Full-Race, APS, UR, Perrin, good info

01-24-2008, 05:50 PM	#41
chrisek Amateur STI Driver Car: 06 STI Black/Sil Whe Fav Mod: ALK Location: Carson City, NV Posts: 11 Join Date: Aug 2006 Trader Rating: (1)	Re: Planning a turbo build? This is the price breakdown. Full-Race, APS, UR, Perrin, Thanks for the costs involved. I'm now thinking a stage 2 protune and wait for a used FP green (and supporting mods) down the road.

01-24-2008, 08:36 PM	#42
jutes85 Silver Member Car: 2006 OBP STi Fav Mod: DOM3 Paperweight Location: Alberta Posts: 1,426 Join Date: Sep 2006 Trader Rating: (7)	Re: Planning a turbo build? This is the price breakdown. Full-Race, APS, UR, Perrin, Any ballpark on Cosworth or should Dasani just fess up?

01-25-2008, 07:01 AM	#43
TheLimitedProject Spec C Club Car: 07 STI LTD/08 STI Fav Mod: APS/Crawford/Cosworth/Aquamist Location: E-town, AB Posts: 2,338 Join Date: Apr 2005 Trader Rating: (5)	Re: Planning a turbo build? This is the price breakdown. Full-Race, APS, UR, Perrin, ^A Cosworth longblock is $11-12k. So take out the $4k listed for a shortblock and add $12k. BTW, I seriously short changed on labour

01-28-2008, 03:38 PM	#44
Inn-Tune Authorized Vendor Car: STi GT35R Powered Fav Mod: Innovative Tuning Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 216 Join Date: Jan 2006 Trader Rating: (0)	Re: Planning a turbo build? This is the price breakdown. Full-Race, APS, UR, Perrin, And the Cosworth isn't sleeved so don't try cranking the boost or the bores will shift like any other 2.5L STi shortblock...

01-28-2008, 04:21 PM	#45
TheLimitedProject Spec C Club Car: 07 STI LTD/08 STI Fav Mod: APS/Crawford/Cosworth/Aquamist Location: E-town, AB Posts: 2,338 Join Date: Apr 2005 Trader Rating: (5)	Re: Planning a turbo build? This is the price breakdown. Full-Race, APS, UR, Perrin, ^But that's only a problem at a legitimate 500+whp (ie. not Dynojet numbers), right? This ad is not endorsed by this member. Please register or login to hide this ad.