Getting proffessionally tuned by Jorge at P&L Motorsports

deegee · 05-08-2008, 05:35 AM

So yesterday I called Ty to set up an appointment to drive down to Chicago during the last weekend in May to get tuned by Jorge.

Currently I am running the Cobb OTS Stage two map with Grimmspeed uppipe, Cobb TBE. I have an APS 65mm CAI sitting in my basement that I am not going to install until the week before the trip. I don't know how much damage running a CAI will do without a tune but hopefully it will be minimal with <week daily driving and the 390 mile trip

Also, I opted to have a GMBCS installed prior to the tune.

Anyway, just thought I'd post here before and after with the results of the tune. I am really looking forward to building/holding boost, and seeing what the car can do with a healthy lean/rich balance.

If anyone has any advice, I am all ears.

I just had my car at the Subaru dealership for service, will be bringing five gallons of the MN 92 gas, and will be changing the oil right before I leave as well as bringing couple extra quarts of oil.

rmo55c · 05-08-2008, 06:20 AM

call jorge and see if he even wants you to install the gmbcs. He tuned my stage 2 (typhoon, perrin catted dp, helix 3" catback, walbro 255, dw 740's) and got the numbers in my sig. Which is awesome for a car with 60XXX miles on it at tune too

So I would listen to whatever he says.

As for the drive, just take it easy and you will be fine.

Also, double check for leaks from the intake to the manifold. If you car has more than 30K miles on it, get some MAF cleaner and clean that as well before going.

deegee · 05-08-2008, 07:04 AM

Thanks a lot for the advice. I will do that.

Ty suggested the GMBCS and quoted me for the cost of the unit installed so P&L will be doing the install when I arrive. I don't have the unit.

Goofeth · 05-08-2008, 07:51 AM

Since you're from St. Paul, I'm curious if you've also looked into DB Performance since they're a Cobb-authorized tuner with an AWD dynomometer, just a little NW of where you live? I don't know too much about them yet myself, like how much experience they have with the STi's. It's probably a safe bet that Jorge at P&L has more experience. But I'm starting to look into getting a professional tune too and I saw that DB Performance is the closest option I could find. Just wondering if you've heard anything about DB Perf to persuade/dissuade me.

andyman8662 · 05-08-2008, 07:52 AM

deegee did you see on mnsubaru that he might be flying out here again soon?

deegee · 05-08-2008, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Goofeth

Since you're from St. Paul, I'm curious if you've also looked into DB Performance since they're a Cobb-authorized tuner with an AWD dynomometer, just a little NW of where you live? I don't know too much about them yet myself, like how much experience they have with the STi's. It's probably a safe bet that Jorge at P&L has more experience. But I'm starting to look into getting a professional tune too and I saw that DB Performance is the closest option I could find. Just wondering if you've heard anything about DB Perf to persuade/dissuade me.

Ya, I have. I have heard mixed reviews. If you want, do a search on the mnsubaru site for "db protune" and you can read them as well. I've spoke with one member who got a protune there and she was very happy with the results on her 05.

I am going with Jorge for two reasons really. First and foremost, his credibility and reputation. From what I've read, he is notorious for providing safe yet powerful tunes, and that is precisely what I want.

Second, I want to put the $700 accessport to good use and he tunes using that. I know that some people have been really happy with their open source tunes but I don't want to sell this thing and go that route, too much work.

deegee · 05-08-2008, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by andyman8662

deegee did you see on mnsubaru that he might be flying out here again soon?

Yea I did, I don't want to wait that long, and last time he was here, there was a big list. I think he only had enough time to tune five vehicles IIRC? Besides, I have never been to Chi-town so it should be a fun little road trip. Thanks for checking though

**P&L Motorsports** · 05-10-2008, 08:11 AM

Looking forward to it Doug!

Andy STI · 05-12-2008, 02:49 PM

Can't go wrong with Jorge! Good choice on the GM boost control thingy. I went with that and just had them install it when I was there too. Have a good drive down. Good reason for a road trip!!

andyman8662 · 05-13-2008, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by deegee

Yea I did, I don't want to wait that long, and last time he was here, there was a big list. I think he only had enough time to tune five vehicles IIRC? Besides, I have never been to Chi-town so it should be a fun little road trip. Thanks for checking though

yeah still no word on when hes coming maybe ill have to road trip it with you!

deegee · 05-14-2008, 05:01 AM

The more the merrier. Last time I called, they had slots on Friday for noon and 3:00 p.m. and the 3:00 p.m. was open. Give Ty a call, he is friendly, helpful, and probably won't mind.

MasterColin · 05-14-2008, 06:40 AM

I feel like I will take a trip down there this summer to get a nice tune that or I will wait until my girlfriend goes to school there in late August and just get it done then. Can I ask how much the tune alone is going to cost you?

deegee · 05-14-2008, 07:53 AM

It really depends on how many mods you have. It looks like, similarly to myself, you have some light mods on your 06. Ty estimated an hour or two for the tune on my car, with my mods. Of course, something could always take extra time so you never know.

Their tuning rates are listed on on their webpage.

deegee · 06-06-2008, 10:54 AM

Welp, 1200 miles later, back in MN with a fully tuned machine.

The trip itself was long. Chicago has a lot of tolls.

Ok, now on to the tune. Everything went fine in the beggininig, the GMBCS install was quick, and my car was on the rollers about an hour after arrival. All was well until the tune was about %95 complete when the clutch started to slip. Not sure what the OEM clutch is rated for but here are the results:

I didn't get to really test things out until I got back to MN safely and took care of the clutch situation.

I decided to throw some money at the problem and go with an Exedy Twin Disc Racing clutch. Yikes that thing is loud, but damn is it nice.

And now, sans drive train issues, the car feels amazing. I know everyone says that about protunes so it really doesn't mean much but, my lower gears are much more drivable and have much quicker spool-up. As Jorge put it, "a little throttle now goes a long way". I am very pleased with the results and the P&L crew in general. It was a really good experience and they were very helpful and willing to answer all my questions.

Lastly, if anyone ever gets tuned at P&L, be sure to stop by Portillo's. There is one not too far away from P&L and both the members of IWSTI and the P&L crew recommended their hot sammiches, damn they are delicious. If only MN had something half that good...

***snorky*** · 06-06-2008, 11:20 AM

nice torque numbers. Sucks that your clutch was slipping. how many miles were on it?

05-08-2008, 05:35 AM	#1
deegee Junior STI Driver Car: '05 CGM STi Fav Mod: Cracked VF39 Location: Saint Paul, Minnesota Posts: 155 Join Date: Apr 2007 Trader Rating: (0)	Getting proffessionally tuned by Jorge at P&L Motorsports So yesterday I called Ty to set up an appointment to drive down to Chicago during the last weekend in May to get tuned by Jorge. Currently I am running the Cobb OTS Stage two map with Grimmspeed uppipe, Cobb TBE. I have an APS 65mm CAI sitting in my basement that I am not going to install until the week before the trip. I don't know how much damage running a CAI will do without a tune but hopefully it will be minimal with <week daily driving and the 390 mile trip Also, I opted to have a GMBCS installed prior to the tune. Anyway, just thought I'd post here before and after with the results of the tune. I am really looking forward to building/holding boost, and seeing what the car can do with a healthy lean/rich balance. If anyone has any advice, I am all ears. I just had my car at the Subaru dealership for service, will be bringing five gallons of the MN 92 gas, and will be changing the oil right before I leave as well as bringing couple extra quarts of oil. This ad is not endorsed by this member. Please register or login to hide this ad.

05-08-2008, 06:20 AM	#2
rmo55c The Next Petter Solberg Car: 05 WRB STi Fav Mod: I Heart Boobs Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 870 Join Date: Dec 2004 Trader Rating: (0)	Re: Getting proffessionally tuned by Jorge at P&L Motorsports call jorge and see if he even wants you to install the gmbcs. He tuned my stage 2 (typhoon, perrin catted dp, helix 3" catback, walbro 255, dw 740's) and got the numbers in my sig. Which is awesome for a car with 60XXX miles on it at tune too So I would listen to whatever he says. As for the drive, just take it easy and you will be fine. Also, double check for leaks from the intake to the manifold. If you car has more than 30K miles on it, get some MAF cleaner and clean that as well before going.

05-08-2008, 07:04 AM	#3
deegee Junior STI Driver Car: '05 CGM STi Fav Mod: Cracked VF39 Location: Saint Paul, Minnesota Posts: 155 Join Date: Apr 2007 Trader Rating: (0)	Re: Getting proffessionally tuned by Jorge at P&L Motorsports Thanks a lot for the advice. I will do that. Ty suggested the GMBCS and quoted me for the cost of the unit installed so P&L will be doing the install when I arrive. I don't have the unit.

05-08-2008, 07:51 AM	#4
Goofeth Amateur STI Driver Car: 07 STI Limited Posts: 13 Join Date: Aug 2006 Trader Rating: (0)	Re: Getting proffessionally tuned by Jorge at P&L Motorsports Since you're from St. Paul, I'm curious if you've also looked into DB Performance since they're a Cobb-authorized tuner with an AWD dynomometer, just a little NW of where you live? I don't know too much about them yet myself, like how much experience they have with the STi's. It's probably a safe bet that Jorge at P&L has more experience. But I'm starting to look into getting a professional tune too and I saw that DB Performance is the closest option I could find. Just wondering if you've heard anything about DB Perf to persuade/dissuade me.

05-08-2008, 07:52 AM	#5
andyman8662 Silver Member Car: ugm limited #407 Location: white bear lake, mn Posts: 300 Join Date: Mar 2007 Trader Rating: (0)	Re: Getting proffessionally tuned by Jorge at P&L Motorsports deegee did you see on mnsubaru that he might be flying out here again soon?

05-10-2008, 08:11 AM	#8
P&L Motorsports Authorized Vendor Car: Subaru STI Fav Mod: Tuning Location: Franklin Park, IL Posts: 111 Join Date: Mar 2006 Trader Rating: (0)	Re: Getting proffessionally tuned by Jorge at P&L Motorsports Looking forward to it Doug!

05-12-2008, 02:49 PM	#9
Andy STI Silver Member Car: '05 STi Fav Mod: Britax Roundabout Location: Peoria, IL Posts: 818 Join Date: Sep 2005 Trader Rating: (5)	Re: Getting proffessionally tuned by Jorge at P&L Motorsports Can't go wrong with Jorge! Good choice on the GM boost control thingy. I went with that and just had them install it when I was there too. Have a good drive down. Good reason for a road trip!!

05-14-2008, 05:01 AM	#11
deegee Junior STI Driver Car: '05 CGM STi Fav Mod: Cracked VF39 Location: Saint Paul, Minnesota Posts: 155 Join Date: Apr 2007 Trader Rating: (0)	Re: Getting proffessionally tuned by Jorge at P&L Motorsports The more the merrier. Last time I called, they had slots on Friday for noon and 3:00 p.m. and the 3:00 p.m. was open. Give Ty a call, he is friendly, helpful, and probably won't mind.

05-14-2008, 06:40 AM	#12
MasterColin STI Driver Car: 06 Subaru WRX STI Fav Mod: Headlight Adjustment Location: NC/Wi Posts: 245 Join Date: Aug 2007 Trader Rating: (1)	Re: Getting proffessionally tuned by Jorge at P&L Motorsports I feel like I will take a trip down there this summer to get a nice tune that or I will wait until my girlfriend goes to school there in late August and just get it done then. Can I ask how much the tune alone is going to cost you?

05-14-2008, 07:53 AM	#13
deegee Junior STI Driver Car: '05 CGM STi Fav Mod: Cracked VF39 Location: Saint Paul, Minnesota Posts: 155 Join Date: Apr 2007 Trader Rating: (0)	Re: Getting proffessionally tuned by Jorge at P&L Motorsports It really depends on how many mods you have. It looks like, similarly to myself, you have some light mods on your 06. Ty estimated an hour or two for the tune on my car, with my mods. Of course, something could always take extra time so you never know. Their tuning rates are listed on on their webpage.

06-06-2008, 10:54 AM	#14
deegee Junior STI Driver Car: '05 CGM STi Fav Mod: Cracked VF39 Location: Saint Paul, Minnesota Posts: 155 Join Date: Apr 2007 Trader Rating: (0)	Re: Getting proffessionally tuned by Jorge at P&L Motorsports Welp, 1200 miles later, back in MN with a fully tuned machine. The trip itself was long. Chicago has a lot of tolls. Ok, now on to the tune. Everything went fine in the beggininig, the GMBCS install was quick, and my car was on the rollers about an hour after arrival. All was well until the tune was about %95 complete when the clutch started to slip. Not sure what the OEM clutch is rated for but here are the results: I didn't get to really test things out until I got back to MN safely and took care of the clutch situation. I decided to throw some money at the problem and go with an Exedy Twin Disc Racing clutch. Yikes that thing is loud, but damn is it nice. And now, sans drive train issues, the car feels amazing. I know everyone says that about protunes so it really doesn't mean much but, my lower gears are much more drivable and have much quicker spool-up. As Jorge put it, "a little throttle now goes a long way". I am very pleased with the results and the P&L crew in general. It was a really good experience and they were very helpful and willing to answer all my questions. Lastly, if anyone ever gets tuned at P&L, be sure to stop by Portillo's. There is one not too far away from P&L and both the members of IWSTI and the P&L crew recommended their hot sammiches, damn they are delicious. If only MN had something half that good...

06-06-2008, 11:20 AM	#15
*snorky* Teh Other White Meat Car: 32J GDFDYEH Fav Mod: Fullerton's Qrack on my car Location: Chicagoland Posts: 3,484 Join Date: Apr 2006 Trader Rating: (21)	Re: Getting proffessionally tuned by Jorge at P&L Motorsports nice torque numbers. Sucks that your clutch was slipping. how many miles were on it? This ad is not endorsed by this member. Please register or login to hide this ad.