First ever drift session... humbled...

Lakota_Casanova · 04-30-2005, 11:44 AM

Greets all. As you know from my signature, I have a fairly modded STI 05', and I just found an empty parking lot near my house. So what did I do, you may ask, well, I will tell you. I attempted to drift. I failed.
Thats right, with my friend Joe riding co-pilot, we attempted to get that STI sideways on purpose, and I couldn't do it. Keep in mind, I have never attempted anything like this before, but I sure have seen alot of videos about it. *winks*

Attempted drift 1 -
Step 1. Bring the car up to 10 MPH
Step 2. Cut the steering wheel to the right and yank like a ***** on my brake with the clutch in.
Step 3. Feel the whole car rock to a sudden stop and ask my friend if we drifted.

Ok, so first time we didn't make it. Well obviousley its time to try again.

Attempted drift 2 -
Step 1. Bring the car up to 15 MPH
Step 2. Cut steering wheel, yank harder on brake, and press that clutch in like a mother f-er.
Step 3. Cheer as we hear the tires drag slightly before we stop again.

Ok, didnt work that time either.

Attempted drift 3 -
Step 1 - Set DCCD to rear
Step 2 - Bring car up to mabe 16 mph, yank on brake, while keeping clutch depressed again
Step 3 - Definatly got a little angle and slide. But my dumb *** didnt press back down on the brake and I heard a loud whistle, like metal grinding on metal, before I slam down on my e-brake again. I was scared pissless that I had just screwed my car up, so that ended our drift session.

Well, now I have questions for those of you who have ever attempted to drift in a car like this. How do I do it? Im trying to learn in as safe a way as possible. Ex: Using empty parking lot, having cell phones on hand, being a complete puss. The whole nine yards.
So, what am I doing wrong, am I doing it right, am I just to scared. Should I yank harder on that e-brake, or use more speed, or with the sti, is it possible to just over power my way into a drift? Are there any instruction videos or books? ( Drifting for dummies or perhaps "Learn to drift in 10 easy steps with random japanese d1 driver)
I know alot of people look down on drifting technique, but I find it interesting, and fun to watch, and I have an interest in learning, so please humour me. Can any one help me? When my camera gets charged, I will go take pictures of everything I can. Like my tires, how I sit, my seat, my mods, all my stuff, so hopefully someone can help me. Thanks!

mike_ · 04-30-2005, 12:26 PM

Please stop.

Lakota_Casanova · 04-30-2005, 12:38 PM

thanks for the encouragement. Next drift session is dedicated to Mike.

***Digitalfiend*** · 04-30-2005, 02:14 PM

I don't think 15mph is anywhere near close enough for the STi to start drifting unless you launch the car and cut the wheel to break traction.

I was on a wet skid pad in auto-mode doing about 40km/h, possibly more, (wasn't totally paying attention to the speed) and couldn't get the STi to break traction significantly. Next couple times out I tried manual and managed to get a small slide by stabbing the throttle and cutting in then correcting. I wasn't pulling on the e-brake though.

I seriously wouldn't even attempt that stuff on a dry surface. But that's just me.

Lakota_Casanova · 04-30-2005, 02:38 PM

Hmmm ... Well, I watched a video of an AutoX'er here on this board that was drifting for fun during his time trials. Could it be the tires, or do you think with the power the sti has, especially with it being stage 2, I can just over power it in the turns? Thanks for the information though. I spose with it being AWD, breaking traction will be alot harder. Are the cars in most automotive expos specially tuned to skid and slide, or do I just need to keep with learning the technique? Heck, theres a video around here of a dodge truck drifting around a cone, and ive seen some evo's do it to. But I also dont think they were touching the e brake either.

***eatV8*** · 04-30-2005, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Lakota_Casanova

Hmmm ... Well, I watched a video of an AutoX'er here on this board that was drifting for fun during his time trials. Could it be the tires, or do you think with the power the sti has, especially with it being stage 2, I can just over power it in the turns? Thanks for the information though. I spose with it being AWD, breaking traction will be alot harder. Are the cars in most automotive expos specially tuned to skid and slide, or do I just need to keep with learning the technique? Heck, theres a video around here of a dodge truck drifting around a cone, and ive seen some evo's do it to. But I also dont think they were touching the e brake either.

Which video is that? The only one I can think of is that rally prepped Impreza in the UK...

Lakota_Casanova · 04-30-2005, 02:59 PM

No idea, he hadj ust installed a camera in his car, and he was showing it off. He was sliding around all the cones. I would have saved the info on it, if I had thought it important at the time.

alan · 04-30-2005, 03:11 PM

You are going to have to do something with the DCCD. What that is, i dont know. But I know what it isnt: full lock or Auto. The computer is trying to do exactly the opposite of what you want to do...lose control. lol...we go out and buy one of the most well known handling cars (AWD) and the first thing we do is try to cut it loose

Im guessing, just from expereince (which is little, mind you) with a buddy who is drift-nuts, is to put your DCCD full rear. Get up to 35 or 40ish, and then if you want to drift to the right, turn your wheel to the left a quarter, then throw it to the right to keep your momentum going forward (even though you are turning right). Clutch it, and E-brake it. The result...hopefully, a drift. Or your car into the side of a parking lot light pole. Dont hold me to it. I like keeping my car on all fours

Good luck, dont trash your car, and most of all, have fun. Oh, and stay away from those light poles

-A

***sciolist*** · 04-30-2005, 03:42 PM

As my buddy used to say back in high school, before the dawn of recorded time: “Floor it and crank the wheel”.

Start by taking your car somewhere that folks expect to hear a little squealing, like an autoX course, not the local WalMart lot. This stuff is generally not cool at HPDE’s, and seriously not cool on the street.

What would be ideal would be a sweeper drill with two inside cones. You could even set it up as a figure-8, with two sweepers. Try just lapping a few times to get a feel for the car, then come in a little hotter and turn in a little later. You can get the back end out just fine with the DCCD in auto, trust me. Loose, granular pavement and lower pressures in back will help. If possible, take a few passes with a RWD car too. Make sure you have a safe run-out and then just work up until you spin.

Once you know how much power to carry into the turn, work on holding your slip angle with the throttle. Try to just carry a little bias through the apex, and work up from there. Remember that the STi is going to want to pull true on the exit, and that’s hard to overcome. Trying the same thing in a RWD car will really illuminate that.

If you really want to pursue this, get up with someone who can help you tune your suspension properly.

Have fun and don’t piss people off. Reckless behavior reflects poorly on all of us.

Scuba_Steve · 04-30-2005, 04:04 PM

I tried drifting awhile back and found it to be pretty easy in the STi. I did this on a twisty mountain road and don't recommend this to anyone since it could of been disastrous if you don't know what your doing. I simply came to the turn at about 45mph, braked a little, rev matched, put the car in 1st, cut the wheel, pulled the e-brake to get the rear end out, put e-brake back down and it was pretty much all throttle after that letting the front wheels pull me out of the drift. Here's a *VID*, the drifting is at the end.

04-30-2005, 11:44 AM	#1
Lakota_Casanova Junior STI Driver Feedback Score: 0 reviews Posts: 136 IWSTI Addict since: Jan 2005	First ever drift session... humbled... Greets all. As you know from my signature, I have a fairly modded STI 05', and I just found an empty parking lot near my house. So what did I do, you may ask, well, I will tell you. I attempted to drift. I failed. Thats right, with my friend Joe riding co-pilot, we attempted to get that STI sideways on purpose, and I couldn't do it. Keep in mind, I have never attempted anything like this before, but I sure have seen alot of videos about it. winks Attempted drift 1 - Step 1. Bring the car up to 10 MPH Step 2. Cut the steering wheel to the right and yank like a *** on my brake with the clutch in. Step 3. Feel the whole car rock to a sudden stop and ask my friend if we drifted. Ok, so first time we didn't make it. Well obviousley its time to try again. Attempted drift 2 - Step 1. Bring the car up to 15 MPH Step 2. Cut steering wheel, yank harder on brake, and press that clutch in like a mother f-er. Step 3. Cheer as we hear the tires drag slightly before we stop again. Ok, didnt work that time either. Attempted drift 3 - Step 1 - Set DCCD to rear Step 2 - Bring car up to mabe 16 mph, yank on brake, while keeping clutch depressed again Step 3 - Definatly got a little angle and slide. But my dumb * didnt press back down on the brake and I heard a loud whistle, like metal grinding on metal, before I slam down on my e-brake again. I was scared pissless that I had just screwed my car up, so that ended our drift session. Well, now I have questions for those of you who have ever attempted to drift in a car like this. How do I do it? Im trying to learn in as safe a way as possible. Ex: Using empty parking lot, having cell phones on hand, being a complete puss. The whole nine yards. So, what am I doing wrong, am I doing it right, am I just to scared. Should I yank harder on that e-brake, or use more speed, or with the sti, is it possible to just over power my way into a drift? Are there any instruction videos or books? ( Drifting for dummies or perhaps "Learn to drift in 10 easy steps with random japanese d1 driver) I know alot of people look down on drifting technique, but I find it interesting, and fun to watch, and I have an interest in learning, so please humour me. Can any one help me? When my camera gets charged, I will go take pictures of everything I can. Like my tires, how I sit, my seat, my mods, all my stuff, so hopefully someone can help me. Thanks!

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04-30-2005, 12:26 PM	#2
mike_ The Next Petter Solberg Feedback Score: 0 reviews Car: Lightning Red STI Location: Westchester County, NY Posts: 926 IWSTI Addict since: May 2004	Please stop.

04-30-2005, 12:38 PM	#3
Lakota_Casanova Junior STI Driver Feedback Score: 0 reviews Posts: 136 IWSTI Addict since: Jan 2005	thanks for the encouragement. Next drift session is dedicated to Mike.

04-30-2005, 02:14 PM	#4
*Digitalfiend* Super Moderator Feedback Score: 0 reviews Car: 08 DGM STI My Stuff: Subaru Parts Fav Mod: My wife :) Location: Brooklin, Ontario Posts: 6,829 IWSTI Addict since: Oct 2003	I don't think 15mph is anywhere near close enough for the STi to start drifting unless you launch the car and cut the wheel to break traction. I was on a wet skid pad in auto-mode doing about 40km/h, possibly more, (wasn't totally paying attention to the speed) and couldn't get the STi to break traction significantly. Next couple times out I tried manual and managed to get a small slide by stabbing the throttle and cutting in then correcting. I wasn't pulling on the e-brake though. I seriously wouldn't even attempt that stuff on a dry surface. But that's just me.

04-30-2005, 02:38 PM	#5
Lakota_Casanova Junior STI Driver Feedback Score: 0 reviews Posts: 136 IWSTI Addict since: Jan 2005	Hmmm ... Well, I watched a video of an AutoX'er here on this board that was drifting for fun during his time trials. Could it be the tires, or do you think with the power the sti has, especially with it being stage 2, I can just over power it in the turns? Thanks for the information though. I spose with it being AWD, breaking traction will be alot harder. Are the cars in most automotive expos specially tuned to skid and slide, or do I just need to keep with learning the technique? Heck, theres a video around here of a dodge truck drifting around a cone, and ive seen some evo's do it to. But I also dont think they were touching the e brake either.

04-30-2005, 02:59 PM	#7
Lakota_Casanova Junior STI Driver Feedback Score: 0 reviews Posts: 136 IWSTI Addict since: Jan 2005	No idea, he hadj ust installed a camera in his car, and he was showing it off. He was sliding around all the cones. I would have saved the info on it, if I had thought it important at the time.

04-30-2005, 03:11 PM	#8
alan Amateur STI Driver Feedback Score: 0 reviews Car: Drinking, tatooing old people, feeding alka-seltzer to seagulls. Fav Mod: Slacker Location: San Antonio Posts: 8 IWSTI Addict since: Apr 2005	You are going to have to do something with the DCCD. What that is, i dont know. But I know what it isnt: full lock or Auto. The computer is trying to do exactly the opposite of what you want to do...lose control. lol...we go out and buy one of the most well known handling cars (AWD) and the first thing we do is try to cut it loose Im guessing, just from expereince (which is little, mind you) with a buddy who is drift-nuts, is to put your DCCD full rear. Get up to 35 or 40ish, and then if you want to drift to the right, turn your wheel to the left a quarter, then throw it to the right to keep your momentum going forward (even though you are turning right). Clutch it, and E-brake it. The result...hopefully, a drift. Or your car into the side of a parking lot light pole. Dont hold me to it. I like keeping my car on all fours Good luck, dont trash your car, and most of all, have fun. Oh, and stay away from those light poles -A

04-30-2005, 03:42 PM	#9
*sciolist* Spiteful Old Codger Feedback Score: 1 reviews My Stuff: Subaru Parts Location: Bend, OR Posts: 2,345 IWSTI Addict since: Jul 2003	As my buddy used to say back in high school, before the dawn of recorded time: “Floor it and crank the wheel”. Start by taking your car somewhere that folks expect to hear a little squealing, like an autoX course, not the local WalMart lot. This stuff is generally not cool at HPDE’s, and seriously not cool on the street. What would be ideal would be a sweeper drill with two inside cones. You could even set it up as a figure-8, with two sweepers. Try just lapping a few times to get a feel for the car, then come in a little hotter and turn in a little later. You can get the back end out just fine with the DCCD in auto, trust me. Loose, granular pavement and lower pressures in back will help. If possible, take a few passes with a RWD car too. Make sure you have a safe run-out and then just work up until you spin. Once you know how much power to carry into the turn, work on holding your slip angle with the throttle. Try to just carry a little bias through the apex, and work up from there. Remember that the STi is going to want to pull true on the exit, and that’s hard to overcome. Trying the same thing in a RWD car will really illuminate that. If you really want to pursue this, get up with someone who can help you tune your suspension properly. Have fun and don’t piss people off. Reckless behavior reflects poorly on all of us.

04-30-2005, 04:04 PM	#10
Scuba_Steve Professional STI Racer Feedback Score: 2 reviews Car: GT35R 04 STi Fav Mod: E85 Location: Fountain, CO. Posts: 801 IWSTI Addict since: May 2003	I tried drifting awhile back and found it to be pretty easy in the STi. I did this on a twisty mountain road and don't recommend this to anyone since it could of been disastrous if you don't know what your doing. I simply came to the turn at about 45mph, braked a little, rev matched, put the car in 1st, cut the wheel, pulled the e-brake to get the rear end out, put e-brake back down and it was pretty much all throttle after that letting the front wheels pull me out of the drift. Here's a *VID*, the drifting is at the end.