Flat foot shifting WITHOUT COBB AP map - Page 3

STiJunki · 06-11-2008, 06:39 PM

I think some of you are getting FFS and power shifting confused.... FFS still uses the clutch to shift. I can see how power shifting could damage the tranny.... but can someone explain how FFS is hard on the tranny?

wrb07sti · 06-14-2008, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by STiJunki

I think some of you are getting FFS and power shifting confused.... FFS still uses the clutch to shift. I can see how power shifting could damage the tranny.... but can someone explain how FFS is hard on the tranny?

Its not hard on the tranny! I do both FFS and speed shifting, and it feels less abusive on the tranny to FFS then it does to speed shift.

I'v been FFS for the last decade in various cars I'v owned, 02' RamAir WS6, 93' Firehawk, 94' s-10 blazer, 94' Suzuki Samurai, and many others, with zero problems. It might very well be cuz I'm a badass shifter and never hit the rev limiter, and never missed a gear.

I got the stock mapping on the car and yess I have noticed the ECU retards the timing, but the bottom line is FFS will still make you faster than speed shifting.

FFS FTW!!!!

fourseasonsandles · 06-14-2008, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by wrb07sti

Its not hard on the tranny! I do both FFS and speed shifting, and it feels less abusive on the tranny to FFS then it does to speed shift.

I'v been FFS for the last decade in various cars I'v owned, 02' RamAir WS6, 93' Firehawk, 94' s-10 blazer, 94' Suzuki Samurai, and many others, with zero problems. It might very well be cuz I'm a badass shifter and never hit the rev limiter, and never missed a gear.

I got the stock mapping on the car and yess I have noticed the ECU retards the timing, but the bottom line is FFS will still make you faster than speed shifting.

FFS FTW!!!!

So you may be the wizard ultimate driver that never grinds a shift or ever hurts his/her tranny or misses a gear, but STOP spreading false information. FFS is extremely hard on the tranny.

jermdeez · 06-14-2008, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by fourseasonsandles

So you may be the wizard ultimate driver that never grinds a shift or ever hurts his/her tranny or misses a gear, but STOP spreading false information. FFS is extremely hard on the tranny.

actually I've seen the sti speedshifted at amazing speeds (literally imagine in 1 motion stabbing the clutch in and letting of as fast as you can in 1 solid motion), its truly amazing. I've had 2 sti's, wrx blah blah and most importantly a fully built 5 liter. Im not novice to drag racing, but the way the sti can be shifted is incredible. Funny, it actually seemed to smoother than regular fast shifting. I know a guy who did this to a 2.0 liter wrx!!!!, lasted forever never a tranny prob.

I think it's all about how you do it, and the fact is if you are talented you can do it without harming the car.

does seem to wear it some tho, i think its good for that special drag race, but not everytime u run thru the gears

neverendingmods · 06-18-2008, 10:12 PM

Everybody misses a gear from time to time. If not, you're not driving hard enough. Lol. Seriously though, everybody misses a gear here and there. Be a man and admit it.

STiErik · 06-19-2008, 03:54 PM

I'd find it hilarious to watch a newb try it, and do a mad jedi fast money shift into 2nd from 3rd....

hahaah

stiawd · 06-30-2008, 09:58 PM

I noticed the motor retarding when FFS on the stock map. I still do it anyway when I race, its still better than a speed shift.

jermdeez · 06-30-2008, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by stiawd

I noticed the motor retarding when FFS on the stock map. I still do it anyway when I race, its still better than a speed shift.

probably shift knock, what ED at EQ Tuning is a pro at fixing. He makes the car rip during shifts.

Turbo-Enthusiast · 06-30-2008, 11:49 PM

I cant believe the CRAP I have read in this thread..........
If you guys really think FFS is safe you got a whole nother thing comin!!!
I dont know where any of you guys get your info but you must be all 12 year olds reading "Initial D" cartoons because all this crap about knowing how to FFS and "NOT HITTING" the rev limiter has got me ticked off (and even at 1AM????) WOW!!!!!!!
It doesent matter how you do it synchros are not meant to be spun at 7K RPMS when they are coming together, are you Retards even reading what your writing???????

Please someone close this thread I CANT READ ON about people babbaling about something they no nothing about and saying that that .3 sec is worth a tranny cause im 100% sure thats what it will come to!!!

I DARE SOMEONE TO FFS AT least once a day for 10K miles I GUARENTEE YOU WILL LOSE A GEAR!!!

MORONS!!!!!

VROOM293 · 07-01-2008, 04:25 AM

Turbo -Enthusiast,I dug your word preferences.You educated me this morning in refrence to the synchros.Thanks.

VROOM293 · 07-01-2008, 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by wrb07sti

My 07 dosent have any of the problems most people experience like bucking, hesitation, ect.. And its not tuned, I bought it right off the showroom floor. I have done 12.9, all stock, only powershifting 1-4th. The 07's don't like to cruise at a steedy rmp, you have to keep the rpms moving, thats where everyone has problems with the map.

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You blew the 07 like a crack whore blows her pimp for a 20 rock.
Then to add ''ASS to HAT'' you make statements filled with saturated fat.
I wonder if your sociopathic.i.e. No real Stance,Not honest,cant feel anything.A mindless clusterfu#k of bone ,sinew and hot air.

Dude you are pathetic!
You make me want to puke.
Nothing but a wet paper bag... you are!

t3h f4stAr · 07-01-2008, 05:09 AM

I really dont think the transmission is gonna go from FFS atleast not in an sti theyre tranny are bullet proof if anything youll wear down the syncros faster and burn your clutch overtime and maybe some shock to the rear end if you do it wrong but thats it

***Neanderthal Racing*** · 07-01-2008, 05:16 AM

i think one of you guys who think it's a great idea should call andrew at andrewtech and get him to confirm what a great idea it is. that would settle this argument once and for all and you'll look like a gizza for doing it. andrew is probably the leading subaru tranny authorities in the u.s.

240-683-1000.

go for it.

stiawd · 07-01-2008, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Turbo-Enthusiast

I cant believe the CRAP I have read in this thread..........
If you guys really think FFS is safe you got a whole nother thing comin!!!
I dont know where any of you guys get your info but you must be all 12 year olds reading "Initial D" cartoons because all this crap about knowing how to FFS and "NOT HITTING" the rev limiter has got me ticked off (and even at 1AM????) WOW!!!!!!!
It doesent matter how you do it synchros are not meant to be spun at 7K RPMS when they are coming together, are you Retards even reading what your writing???????

I DARE SOMEONE TO FFS AT least once a day for 10K miles I GUARENTEE YOU WILL LOSE A GEAR!!!

MORONS!!!!!

Um, are you like retarted, or do you just simply suck at shifting? Maybe both? Probably! I FFS many times everyday, i'v put 30k on my car and I havnt had any problems.

stiawd · 07-01-2008, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Neanderthal Racing

i think one of you guys who think it's a great idea should call andrew at andrewtech and get him to confirm what a great idea it is. that would settle this argument once and for all and you'll look like a gizza for doing it. andrew is probably the leading subaru tranny authorities in the u.s.

240-683-1000.

go for it.

he sucks at shifting for the record.

06-11-2008, 06:39 PM	#31
STiJunki Senior STI Driver Car: 07 SWP Regular STi Location: Wilmington, DE Posts: 319 Join Date: Jun 2005 Trader Rating: (0)	Re: Flat foot shifting WITHOUT COBB AP map I think some of you are getting FFS and power shifting confused.... FFS still uses the clutch to shift. I can see how power shifting could damage the tranny.... but can someone explain how FFS is hard on the tranny? This ad is not endorsed by this member. Please register or login to hide this ad.

06-18-2008, 10:12 PM	#35
neverendingmods Silver Member Car: 06 STi Fav Mod: Buying a beater for DD Location: DE/PA border Posts: 820 Join Date: Nov 2006 Trader Rating: (3)	Re: Flat foot shifting WITHOUT COBB AP map Everybody misses a gear from time to time. If not, you're not driving hard enough. Lol. Seriously though, everybody misses a gear here and there. Be a man and admit it.

06-19-2008, 03:54 PM	#36
STiErik Junior STI Driver Fav Mod: STi Posts: 180 Join Date: Jan 2007 Trader Rating: (0)	Re: Flat foot shifting WITHOUT COBB AP map I'd find it hilarious to watch a newb try it, and do a mad jedi fast money shift into 2nd from 3rd.... hahaah

06-30-2008, 09:58 PM	#37
stiawd Banned Car: Silver STi Fav Mod: Coming Soon Posts: 10 Join Date: Jun 2008 Trader Rating: (0)	Re: Flat foot shifting WITHOUT COBB AP map I noticed the motor retarding when FFS on the stock map. I still do it anyway when I race, its still better than a speed shift.

06-30-2008, 11:49 PM	#39
Turbo-Enthusiast Junior STI Driver Car: 2007 Urban Grey STI Fav Mod: STOCK GOLD BREMBO'S!!!!! Location: Oregon Posts: 166 Join Date: May 2008 Trader Rating: (0)	Re: Flat foot shifting WITHOUT COBB AP map I cant believe the CRAP I have read in this thread.......... If you guys really think FFS is safe you got a whole nother thing comin!!! I dont know where any of you guys get your info but you must be all 12 year olds reading "Initial D" cartoons because all this crap about knowing how to FFS and "NOT HITTING" the rev limiter has got me ticked off (and even at 1AM????) WOW!!!!!!! It doesent matter how you do it synchros are not meant to be spun at 7K RPMS when they are coming together, are you Retards even reading what your writing??????? Please someone close this thread I CANT READ ON about people babbaling about something they no nothing about and saying that that .3 sec is worth a tranny cause im 100% sure thats what it will come to!!! I DARE SOMEONE TO FFS AT least once a day for 10K miles I GUARENTEE YOU WILL LOSE A GEAR!!! MORONS!!!!!

07-01-2008, 04:25 AM	#40
VROOM293 Silver Member Car: 7-STi-Born on fri-13 Location: Principality of CA. Posts: 407 Join Date: Dec 2007 Trader Rating: (1)	Re: Flat foot shifting WITHOUT COBB AP map Turbo -Enthusiast,I dug your word preferences.You educated me this morning in refrence to the synchros.Thanks. Last edited by VROOM293 : 07-01-2008 at 05:10 AM.

07-01-2008, 05:09 AM	#42
t3h f4stAr STI Driver Car: 05 OBP STi Fav Mod: Me in the driver seat Posts: 279 Join Date: Mar 2007 Trader Rating: (0)	Re: Flat foot shifting WITHOUT COBB AP map I really dont think the transmission is gonna go from FFS atleast not in an sti theyre tranny are bullet proof if anything youll wear down the syncros faster and burn your clutch overtime and maybe some shock to the rear end if you do it wrong but thats it

07-01-2008, 05:16 AM	#43
*Neanderthal Racing* GT R US Car: CUTN EDG project Fav Mod: $20. mudflaps from auto zone Location: my cave Posts: 5,833 Join Date: Dec 2003 Trader Rating: (1)	Re: Flat foot shifting WITHOUT COBB AP map i think one of you guys who think it's a great idea should call andrew at andrewtech and get him to confirm what a great idea it is. that would settle this argument once and for all and you'll look like a gizza for doing it. andrew is probably the leading subaru tranny authorities in the u.s. 240-683-1000. go for it.