Longer gears?

pt518sti · 11-18-2006, 05:19 PM

I feel like I would enjoy my car more if it had longer gears and I'm wondering what my options are?

I drove an Evo 9MR today and I think it made me realize just how short our STi gears are, which may not necessarily be a bad thing, but for me personally I would like to have longer gearing, such as what the Evo 9 MR comes with.

Thanks in advance for the help

STI_Mike · 11-18-2006, 05:21 PM

that cause boost kicks in later on the MR then in the STI so it feels like u have longer gears.

pt518sti · 11-18-2006, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by STI_Mike

that cause boost kicks in later on the MR then in the STI so it feels like u have longer gears.

Sorry man, that's not it at all.
Boost kicks in later on my car than a EVO 9MR on a stock turbo.
Our gears are much shorter than the EVo's, but let's not get caught up on making this a STi vs Evo comparison.
I think we can all agree that the STi gears are extremely short and the more power you add, the shorter they seem to get

js3324 · 11-18-2006, 05:33 PM

I couldnt agree with you more. I drove an Evo 9 MR about 2 weeks ago, and the boost response, if anything, is better on the Evo...so its not that.

I would love to have a stronger version of the 5 speed...

STI_Mike · 11-18-2006, 05:35 PM

u guys r right but im fine with the short gears of the STI it gets the job done at the end of the day right?

***Digitalfiend*** · 11-18-2006, 05:43 PM

I think there has to be a fine balance. Our short gears are great for autox/rallyx and, depending on the course, road racing. If you want longer gears you could consider swapping to an 07 STi tranny, which has longer gears.

You've got to be careful though. A shorter gear generally means a higher torque multiplier which *should* equal greater acceleration. I think the problem is that you lose time accelerating with all the shifting (especially that 4-5) so it's a fine balance. With that said, I think the STi has enough torque over the rev range to support a taller gear.

pt518sti · 11-18-2006, 05:46 PM

How much of a difference are the 07 gears?
I mean would it be worth the time, effort, cost, etc.. or is it so little of a difference that it would be barely noticeable?

mtskibum16 · 11-18-2006, 08:55 PM

I think the STi is just right. It does have short lower gears, but the upper gears are plenty long for the highway. I think it is a good balance. One easy way to make a slight difference would be to get a set of wheels/tires with a larger overall diameter than stock. They could give noticably longer gears if they were enough taller. The only gear that I find annoyingly short in the STi is first.

JJ18Sniper · 11-18-2006, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by pt518sti

How much of a difference are the 07 gears?
I mean would it be worth the time, effort, cost, etc.. or is it so little of a difference that it would be barely noticeable?

Well 4th gear will truly be a difference. You'll be able to do the 1/4 mile for the most part without shifting into 5th.

pt518sti · 11-18-2006, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by JJ18Sniper

Well 4th gear will truly be a difference. You'll be able to do the 1/4 mile for the most part without shifting into 5th.

That would be a beautiful thing

I hate having to shift into 5th at the end of the 1/4 mile.

**forgedSTi** · 11-18-2006, 10:47 PM

get a ppg 6 spd dogbox. it has longer 1 - 4 and maintains the stock 5th and 6th gears. you end up with a 4th gear that is identical to 5th in ratio so you essentially have an sti with a 5 spd. that also means you're not shifting into 5th gear in the 1/4 mile, which is nice if drag racing is your thing.

particularly for upgraded turbo setups, the longer gears really let you take full advantage of the entire powerband.

something else that should be mentioned is the fact that the ppg gears are MUCH stronger than stock or RA gears for that matter. they are billet and will not break on you. the side by side comparisons are ridiculous.

there's a thread in the video collection sub forum right now where a member just had one installed in his sti.

USAF_STi · 11-19-2006, 12:46 AM

do you know where to get the dog box tranny? who makes a good one?

pt518sti · 11-19-2006, 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by forgedSTi

get a ppg 6 spd dogbox. it has longer 1 - 4 and maintains the stock 5th and 6th gears. you end up with a 4th gear that is identical to 5th in ratio so you essentially have an sti with a 5 spd. that also means you're not shifting into 5th gear in the 1/4 mile, which is nice if drag racing is your thing.

particularly for upgraded turbo setups, the longer gears really let you take full advantage of the entire powerband.

something else that should be mentioned is the fact that the ppg gears are MUCH stronger than stock or RA gears for that matter. they are billet and will not break on you. the side by side comparisons are ridiculous.

there's a thread in the video collection sub forum right now where a member just had one installed in his sti.

Yea, I'm a fan of Burnin4's car

The dogbox gears are a little too extreme for me, especially on a daily driver

They definitly seem like they would be perfect for drag racing.
From what I understand they are very expensive.

What are some other options, guys?
So far I like the sounds of the 07 gears, but exactly which gears are different and how much different are they?
Thanks for the help so far

04__STi · 11-19-2006, 09:11 AM

either love em or hate em...but i love the short gears....i like shifting and find those short gears FUN FUN FUN!

your fix is easy!! buy 2007 STi!

**forgedSTi** · 11-19-2006, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by USAF_STi

do you know where to get the dog box tranny? who makes a good one?

andrew will build you one and send it to you/your shop. www.andrewtech.com

Quote:

Originally Posted by pt518sti

Yea, I'm a fan of Burnin4's car

The dogbox gears are a little too extreme for me, especially on a daily driver

They definitly seem like they would be perfect for drag racing.
From what I understand they are very expensive.

extreme? i wouldn't say they're extreme. just different. you'll get used to it very quickly. and, there's nothing as strong you can buy from subaru.

the cost is a little higher than an sti tranny, but well worth it, imo.

11-18-2006, 05:19 PM	#1
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11-18-2006, 05:21 PM	#2
STI_Mike S204 Racer Car: 05 Aspen White STI Fav Mod: Defi Gauges Location: Dana Point, Ca Posts: 2,923 IWSTI Addict since: Jul 2006 Trader Rating: (4)	that cause boost kicks in later on the MR then in the STI so it feels like u have longer gears.

11-18-2006, 05:33 PM	#4
js3324 Junior STI Driver Car: 2006 STI Posts: 155 IWSTI Addict since: Jul 2005 Trader Rating: (0)	I couldnt agree with you more. I drove an Evo 9 MR about 2 weeks ago, and the boost response, if anything, is better on the Evo...so its not that. I would love to have a stronger version of the 5 speed...

11-18-2006, 05:35 PM	#5
STI_Mike S204 Racer Car: 05 Aspen White STI Fav Mod: Defi Gauges Location: Dana Point, Ca Posts: 2,923 IWSTI Addict since: Jul 2006 Trader Rating: (4)	u guys r right but im fine with the short gears of the STI it gets the job done at the end of the day right?

11-18-2006, 05:43 PM	#6
*Digitalfiend* Super Moderator Car: 08 DGM STI Fav Mod: My wife :) Location: Brooklin, Ontario Posts: 5,842 IWSTI Addict since: Oct 2003 Trader Rating: (0)	I think there has to be a fine balance. Our short gears are great for autox/rallyx and, depending on the course, road racing. If you want longer gears you could consider swapping to an 07 STi tranny, which has longer gears. You've got to be careful though. A shorter gear generally means a higher torque multiplier which should equal greater acceleration. I think the problem is that you lose time accelerating with all the shifting (especially that 4-5) so it's a fine balance. With that said, I think the STi has enough torque over the rev range to support a taller gear.

11-18-2006, 05:46 PM	#7
pt518sti S204 Racer Car: 2005 White/Gold STi Fav Mod: TD06-20G/Tein Flex coilovers Location: New York Posts: 2,888 IWSTI Addict since: May 2005 Trader Rating: (8)	How much of a difference are the 07 gears? I mean would it be worth the time, effort, cost, etc.. or is it so little of a difference that it would be barely noticeable?

11-18-2006, 08:55 PM	#8
mtskibum16 Professional STI Driver Car: 05 Subaru WRX STi Location: Montana Posts: 461 IWSTI Addict since: May 2006 Trader Rating: (1)	I think the STi is just right. It does have short lower gears, but the upper gears are plenty long for the highway. I think it is a good balance. One easy way to make a slight difference would be to get a set of wheels/tires with a larger overall diameter than stock. They could give noticably longer gears if they were enough taller. The only gear that I find annoyingly short in the STi is first.

11-18-2006, 10:47 PM	#11
forgedSTi all bOOst Car: 05 STi, 08 M3 (E92) Fav Mod: dual catch high performance pcv system Location: in front of you. ;) Posts: 1,315 IWSTI Addict since: Jun 2005 Trader Rating: (4)	get a ppg 6 spd dogbox. it has longer 1 - 4 and maintains the stock 5th and 6th gears. you end up with a 4th gear that is identical to 5th in ratio so you essentially have an sti with a 5 spd. that also means you're not shifting into 5th gear in the 1/4 mile, which is nice if drag racing is your thing. particularly for upgraded turbo setups, the longer gears really let you take full advantage of the entire powerband. something else that should be mentioned is the fact that the ppg gears are MUCH stronger than stock or RA gears for that matter. they are billet and will not break on you. the side by side comparisons are ridiculous. there's a thread in the video collection sub forum right now where a member just had one installed in his sti.

11-19-2006, 12:46 AM	#12
USAF_STi Spec C Club Car: 05' CGM on silver Fav Mod: Ed's tune! Location: Bay Area NorCal Posts: 1,926 IWSTI Addict since: Sep 2004 Trader Rating: (2)	do you know where to get the dog box tranny? who makes a good one?

11-19-2006, 09:11 AM	#14
04__STi Banned Car: 04 STi Posts: 570 IWSTI Addict since: Apr 2006 Trader Rating: (2)	either love em or hate em...but i love the short gears....i like shifting and find those short gears FUN FUN FUN! your fix is easy!! buy 2007 STi!