EJ257 one of 10 Best Engines

Slowride · 12-09-2003, 05:39 PM

According to:

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/031209/detu013_1.html

The USDM STi engine has been selected one of the 10 Best Engines of 2004.

An excerpt:

Fuji Heavy Industries' Subaru arm earns its first spot on the Ward's 10 Best Engines list with its high-performance horizontally opposed "boxer" 4- cyl., which powers the critically acclaimed Subaru WRX STi. The turbocharged boxer engine delivers one of the highest horsepower-per-liter ratings of any engine available in the U.S., making it unusually powerful in relation to its size -- an attribute always appreciated by Ward's 10 Best Engines editor- judges.

RadarOnPaws · 12-09-2003, 06:21 PM

It's ironic that the RX8's engine keeps winning awards after it was the reason for legal action against Mazda.

STIin08 · 12-09-2003, 06:50 PM

oh really? what happend with that the rx8 engine? gimme a link

***staticx313*** · 12-09-2003, 07:10 PM

o man , rx8 is in some big trouble , had to get a tire patched today and the guy was telling me they brought in one becuase it was having vibrations... brand NEW. Couldnt figure out what it was either ...

Robert~

Singletrack · 12-09-2003, 07:30 PM

Thanks for the link!

-st

Singletrack · 12-09-2003, 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by STIin08

oh really? what happend with that the rx8 engine? gimme a link

It didn't meet the asvertised power specs, so Mazda offered a buy-back or some other option.

-st

ColonelSanders · 12-09-2003, 07:32 PM

what happened was, mazda overrated the HP figures on the engine. They said it had something around 10 more hp than it really had, or some crud like that, and a bunch of people got pissed. IMO, who cares about the numbers, as long as its fast and fun to drive? If it was fast and fun before, why would it be any different now that you know it has 10 less hp than you though? What a bunch of whiners. Mazda offered the first couple thousand buyers (the ones who bought theirs before Mazda released the hp info) the choice to get a full refund for their car, or a ton of free oil changes (or something like that). most people took the free service of course.

eatV8 · 12-09-2003, 08:57 PM

i dont know of any legal action against mazda for the RX-8, the buy back or service was their own choice to offer...

RadarOnPaws · 12-09-2003, 11:41 PM

Ah, my bad. I think they offered the buy-back because people who bought it caused a stink and threatened action though. I know there were owners who were flipping out over it.

GSXR · 12-10-2003, 11:39 AM

I agree 10hp is not that big of a deal. What was a big deal was many of the guys who dynoed their car got only 175 to the wheels. One guy dynoed his car at the same dyno that I used to dyno my 02 RSX Type S. We both got 175 hp SAE corrected. Yeah, my 200hp rated car dynoed the same to the wheels as a 250hp rated car. Granted RWD cars tend to have more drivetrain losses but still doesn't explain such low dyno numbers. Compare it to another RWD car - the S2000 - rated at 240hp and puts down 200hp to the wheels. Mazda rerated the car to 238hp but I think it should be more like 220-225hp. I'd be pretty upset it that was the case. Upset enought to sell it back to Mazda. Dunno, there's not car that really replaces the RX8. Rear drive, seats 4 w/ 4 doors (sort of), sports car/luxury oriented, and priced at $30k.

Good thing I have an STi and no worries about hp.

WRX_STi_04 · 12-10-2003, 01:35 PM

I had an RX-8 for about 2 weeks and I took advantage of the buyback. And yes, you're right they re-rated it to about 238 hp, but most RX-8 owners believe it's somewhere closer to 210 hp. I was appalled and very disappointed in Mazda. And yes, my RX-8 had a problem with only 117 miles on it! It was a CEL thing. And even though that's not a huge deal, it's still rather disconcerting for a car that only had just over 100 miles on it. Let's just say I'm so very much happier with my STi.

Singletrack · 12-10-2003, 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WRX_STi_04

I had an RX-8 for about 2 weeks and I took advantage of the buyback. And yes, you're right they re-rated it to about 238 hp, but most RX-8 owners believe it's somewhere closer to 210 hp. I was appalled and very disappointed in Mazda. And yes, my RX-8 had a problem with only 117 miles on it! It was a CEL thing. And even though that's not a huge deal, it's still rather disconcerting for a car that only had just over 100 miles on it. Let's just say I'm so very much happier with my STi.

Yeah, I think it was wither Sport Compact Car or Super Street that dynoed it after Mazda released the new numbers and it was still coming up short. Although we all know how much variance there are between dynos. Apparently Mazda was also saying that the car does not behave well on a dyno becuase of various sensors etc. The only thing I know is that it isn't good for business : )

-st

inSTIgate · 12-10-2003, 02:43 PM

back on topic, yes its incredible to produce such high HP per litre in a 4 cyl engine, they did an amazzing job at tuning this thing.

inSTIgate · 12-10-2003, 02:45 PM

as for the Rx8, my friend destroyed onewith his dodge dakota 6 cyl, I wasnt impressed with their performance.. for being a "spots car" ?? loosing to a truck .. doesnt say sporty what so ever to me, i bet my baja turbo will put the smokin on an Rx 8 lol

***staticx313*** · 12-10-2003, 10:31 PM

the other engine that list is missing is the 2jzGTE... hehe what other inline 6 can put out 1200hp+ @30psi+ on the stock internals? I love supras, I hope they become reasonably priced again one day.

Robert~

12-09-2003, 05:39 PM	#1
Slowride Spec C Club Location: East Tennessee Posts: 1,025 IWSTI Addict since: Oct 2003 Trader Rating: (0)	According to: http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/031209/detu013_1.html The USDM STi engine has been selected one of the 10 Best Engines of 2004. An excerpt: Fuji Heavy Industries' Subaru arm earns its first spot on the Ward's 10 Best Engines list with its high-performance horizontally opposed "boxer" 4- cyl., which powers the critically acclaimed Subaru WRX STi. The turbocharged boxer engine delivers one of the highest horsepower-per-liter ratings of any engine available in the U.S., making it unusually powerful in relation to its size -- an attribute always appreciated by Ward's 10 Best Engines editor- judges. This ad is not endorsed by this member. Please register or login to hide this ad.

12-09-2003, 07:10 PM	#4
*staticx313* Platinum Member Car: 05 Subaru WRX STI CG Fav Mod: 3" FP20G - 403WHP/417WTQ Location: Huntsville, AL Posts: 5,274 IWSTI Addict since: Aug 2003 Trader Rating: (2)	EJ257 one of 10 Best Engines o man , rx8 is in some big trouble , had to get a tire patched today and the guy was telling me they brought in one becuase it was having vibrations... brand NEW. Couldnt figure out what it was either ... Robert~

12-10-2003, 02:43 PM	#13
inSTIgate Junior STI Driver Car: 06 WRB STi Fav Mod: Valentine 1 Location: NE-NJ / E-PA Posts: 157 IWSTI Addict since: Feb 2003 Trader Rating: (2)	What to use to hold box still in trunk? back on topic, yes its incredible to produce such high HP per litre in a 4 cyl engine, they did an amazzing job at tuning this thing.

12-10-2003, 10:31 PM	#15
*staticx313* Platinum Member Car: 05 Subaru WRX STI CG Fav Mod: 3" FP20G - 403WHP/417WTQ Location: Huntsville, AL Posts: 5,274 IWSTI Addict since: Aug 2003 Trader Rating: (2)	look'n for invoice the other engine that list is missing is the 2jzGTE... hehe what other inline 6 can put out 1200hp+ @30psi+ on the stock internals? I love supras, I hope they become reasonably priced again one day. Robert~ This ad is not endorsed by this member. Please register or login to hide this ad.

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12-09-2003, 06:21 PM	#2
RadarOnPaws S204 Racer Posts: 2,513 IWSTI Addict since: Oct 2003 Trader Rating: (0)	It's ironic that the RX8's engine keeps winning awards after it was the reason for legal action against Mazda.

12-09-2003, 06:50 PM	#3
STIin08 Senior STI Driver Car: 98 leggy gt Fav Mod: Mid engine- rear drive, Who needs mods? Location: KCMO...representin the 64 Posts: 310 IWSTI Addict since: Jun 2003 Trader Rating: (0)	oh really? what happend with that the rx8 engine? gimme a link

12-09-2003, 07:30 PM	#5
Singletrack Spec C Club Car: 04 Impreza WRX STi Fav Mod: La Quarta Stella Location: Blitzburgh, PA Posts: 1,440 IWSTI Addict since: Sep 2003 Trader Rating: (2)	Thanks for the link! -st

12-09-2003, 07:32 PM	#7
ColonelSanders Junior STI Driver Posts: 57 IWSTI Addict since: Oct 2003 Trader Rating: (0)	what happened was, mazda overrated the HP figures on the engine. They said it had something around 10 more hp than it really had, or some crud like that, and a bunch of people got pissed. IMO, who cares about the numbers, as long as its fast and fun to drive? If it was fast and fun before, why would it be any different now that you know it has 10 less hp than you though? What a bunch of whiners. Mazda offered the first couple thousand buyers (the ones who bought theirs before Mazda released the hp info) the choice to get a full refund for their car, or a ton of free oil changes (or something like that). most people took the free service of course.

12-09-2003, 08:57 PM	#8
eatV8 retired mod Car: 99 WRX STi V5 Fav Mod: JDM Air Freshener Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 3,858 IWSTI Addict since: Apr 2003 Trader Rating: (0)	i dont know of any legal action against mazda for the RX-8, the buy back or service was their own choice to offer...

12-09-2003, 11:41 PM	#9
RadarOnPaws S204 Racer Posts: 2,513 IWSTI Addict since: Oct 2003 Trader Rating: (0)	Ah, my bad. I think they offered the buy-back because people who bought it caused a stink and threatened action though. I know there were owners who were flipping out over it.

12-10-2003, 11:39 AM	#10
GSXR Amateur STI Driver Posts: 41 IWSTI Addict since: Sep 2003 Trader Rating: (0)	I agree 10hp is not that big of a deal. What was a big deal was many of the guys who dynoed their car got only 175 to the wheels. One guy dynoed his car at the same dyno that I used to dyno my 02 RSX Type S. We both got 175 hp SAE corrected. Yeah, my 200hp rated car dynoed the same to the wheels as a 250hp rated car. Granted RWD cars tend to have more drivetrain losses but still doesn't explain such low dyno numbers. Compare it to another RWD car - the S2000 - rated at 240hp and puts down 200hp to the wheels. Mazda rerated the car to 238hp but I think it should be more like 220-225hp. I'd be pretty upset it that was the case. Upset enought to sell it back to Mazda. Dunno, there's not car that really replaces the RX8. Rear drive, seats 4 w/ 4 doors (sort of), sports car/luxury oriented, and priced at $30k. Good thing I have an STi and no worries about hp.

12-10-2003, 01:35 PM	#11
WRX_STi_04 Junior STI Driver Car: 2004 Subaru WRX STi Fav Mod: Floormats. What! Location: Walla Walla, Washington Posts: 177 IWSTI Addict since: Aug 2003 Trader Rating: (0)	I had an RX-8 for about 2 weeks and I took advantage of the buyback. And yes, you're right they re-rated it to about 238 hp, but most RX-8 owners believe it's somewhere closer to 210 hp. I was appalled and very disappointed in Mazda. And yes, my RX-8 had a problem with only 117 miles on it! It was a CEL thing. And even though that's not a huge deal, it's still rather disconcerting for a car that only had just over 100 miles on it. Let's just say I'm so very much happier with my STi.

12-10-2003, 02:45 PM	#14
inSTIgate Junior STI Driver Car: 06 WRB STi Fav Mod: Valentine 1 Location: NE-NJ / E-PA Posts: 157 IWSTI Addict since: Feb 2003 Trader Rating: (2)	as for the Rx8, my friend destroyed onewith his dodge dakota 6 cyl, I wasnt impressed with their performance.. for being a "spots car" ?? loosing to a truck .. doesnt say sporty what so ever to me, i bet my baja turbo will put the smokin on an Rx 8 lol