[stardust]

Easy for you to say, its not your car. It is very clear, in theory...and throughout this forum that a full tbe will not work to its full potential without the addition of an ecu upgrade (turboxs, cobb ect). I can just about assure you that you will hit fuel cutoff more than enough times to piss you off.

Sure it might not live up to its potential but since he already has it why not put it on and get the accesport later. O thats right i just remembered that if anyone built anything outside of what a company wants them to build it, it will explode.
Mark it will be fine, put it on and if you hit fuel cut all the time in 90 degree wheather (which i dought) then just take the dp out and just run a cat back unitl you are ready for the accesport.

With lifts and all the tools that are available to you taking a dp on and off will be easy. these guys are talking about how difficult it is to take on and off and they have never put one on themselves.

[STi_Mark]

Originally Posted by SlvSTI05

Haha the ECU should be the last of worries. With a cobb you can load the stock program back up in 5 seconds...its always stored on the accessport. Dont let that be the deciding factor, because honestly thats the easiest thing to return to stock. Your biggest concern would probably be your downpipe, not the easiest thing to take on and off from what i hear. Hold off on the downpipe untill you can get a tune, just install the catback for the meantime. Get a typhoon as well.

I've got the typhoon already, and I think I will see about the accessport, I have been eyeing it for a while. I think just the catback is a decent solution for the meantime. Thanks.

[SlvSTI05]

smart choice. All im saying is you already spent all the money on the turboback, you might as well get the most out of it with the tune.

Stardust...I forgot you were the master downpipe taker offer guy. Dont assume your the only one that has turned a wrench on this site.

[STi_Mark]

Originally Posted by SlvSTI05

Haha the ECU should be the last of worries. With a cobb you can load the stock program back up in 5 seconds...its always stored on the accessport.

I was aware of the fact that you could return it to stock, but they cannot return it to the exact stock map? Doesn't the original map have an original identification and when you use the AcessPort it alters this ID so that you may know, if using the correct tools, that you tampered with the ECU?

I know the debate between lying to SOA and other people who may be intersted in buying your car about modifying, but I think that my driving habits would have little negative effect on the reliability of the car. This is why when something goes wrong that should not have gone wrong even though the car was modified, I'd rather not have to battle for a warranty claim.

[STi_Mark]

Well you know what guys? I get to wait another week because the only available time that I had to install this POS was this weekend, yet when I brought the STi in to Subaru for regular maintence they found an oil leak!

They want the car till Monday. GODDAMNIT. Well that ruined my weekend. They said the leak is on the crankcase cover and they are going to diagnose and then take off the cover Monday.

15600 miles and its already developed a leak? Hmmm, maybe you shouldn't have overfilled my damn car by 2 quarts you morons!

[Boxer]

Originally Posted by STi_Mark

I was aware of the fact that you could return it to stock, but they cannot return it to the exact stock map? Doesn't the original map have an original identification and when you use the AcessPort it alters this ID so that you may know, if using the correct tools, that you tampered with the ECU?

I know the debate between lying to SOA and other people who may be intersted in buying your car about modifying, but I think that my driving habits would have little negative effect on the reliability of the car. This is why when something goes wrong that should not have gone wrong even though the car was modified, I'd rather not have to battle for a warranty claim.

1) IIRC, the ECU I.D. code is found only on newer STis but Cobb said something to the effect that dealers still won't be able to detect it (this doesn't apply to WRXs).

2) Unless you have a engine/exhaust problem there is no cause for the dealer to check your ECU for possible reflash. If you go to the dealer for, say, a driveline problem they should not be checking your ECU.

The AP is a mild tuning enhancement. Very unlikely you will have any problems with it as long as you follow Cobb's recommendations. Enough time has passed that we know that STis are capable of much higher levels of tuning/hp, in stock form, without problems.

In the end the adage, "you gotta pay to play" applies. You cannot "mod" significantly, and expect your warranty to apply on everything. If you're that concerned with voiding warranty then put 36k on in a hurry

[Datadatum]

Yes, there have been recent threads about how it -is- detectable that an ECU has been reflashed.

[Boxer]

True, a reflash can be detected as the ECU is limited to ~100 but the who, what and why, is not detectable. If you don't change your base map more that 2-3 times you shoudn't have any problems with the dealer.

[RadarOnPaws]

Originally Posted by SlvSTI05

smart choice. All im saying is you already spent all the money on the turboback, you might as well get the most out of it with the tune.

I had to laugh when I read a thread by a guy who dynoed his car stock, then with downpipe changes, and other exhaust changes. He was excited about his hp and tq gains. I got more gains with a completely stock drivetrain and an ecutek reflash than he did with his exhaust changes, and he spent just as much as I did.

I think any time you do modifications EM and tuning are worth doing. First off you'll ensure you don't run less than optimally (which probably would have an adverse affect on the engine over time), and secondly it is the only way to get the most power out of your modifications.

[pepito]

theres no reason you shouldnt install your tbe,people were running them long before cobb released there 04 sti ap's.just keep an eye on your boost gauge and if its going above 15psi without help for your fuel just be aware and keep your foot out of it all the way.if you see boost creeping too high just let off alittle,your added power on the lowend and midrange will still keep you smileing till you can get the port.

[SlvSTI05]

You must be mistaken on the power gains you recieve from simply adding a turbo back exhaust. Check out Decembers issue of Super Street. Inside they put a utec and tbe on an 05 sti. They dyno'd the tbe before the tune and only got 10whp and 10lb-ft over stock. Not exactly something to smile about if you ask me for that price. A damn typhoon would be a better hp to $ ratio...as a matter of fact I think the typhoon actuallly dynos closer to 12whp. So seriously....get a tune, dont waste the money you just spent on the tbe without maximizing its potential.