[WideOpen&Sideways]

Hey guys,

Have a question for any of you detailing veterans out there:

I'm dealing with some Industrial Fallout on my STI right now. Being that it's Aspen White, I can see it pretty clearly. The car has already been washed a bunch of times and the spots just keep coming back (for obvious reasons). I do happen to have an active train track by me and it seems the fallout has made it on to my car's surface.

My question is does anyone have a recommendation of a consumer grade acid wash and alkaloid rinse that you could pick up anywhere? Back when I was detailing for Honda, we had a few products that we would use for this purpose, but that was a while ago and I can't remember the name of it ... plus the fact that it was from an industrial car care product manufacturer.

I'm pretty sure only a few of you will be able to answer this, but any help is appreciated.

Cheers,

Ryan

[BrewPubeaver]

have you tryed a clay bar?


with out pictures, it is hard to recomend something...


it sounds like it is all over the car, so a claybar would be imensly time consuming.

[WideOpen&Sideways]

Originally Posted by BrewPubeaver

have you tryed a clay bar?


with out pictures, it is hard to recomend something...


it sounds like it is all over the car, so a claybar would be imensly time consuming.

Thanks for your effort, but a clay bar is not going to work in this situation. Industrial Fallout is caused by railway brake particles and other industrial particles that embed themselves in your paint and when water or dew hits them, they rust (ever seen those tiny flecks on a light colored car that look like rust spots? That's what I'm talking about). If you look at them closely under a microscope, they sort of resemble a kidney stone.

If you were to use a clay bar, all it would do is break off the head of the particle, leaving the base embedded in the paint. When water hits the area, it will rust again. The only proper way to deal with Industrial Fallout is to treat the area with an acid solution to burn off the particles right down to the base, and than follow up with an alkaloid solution to neutralize the acid. Done properly, the paint is not damaged whatsoever.

Here is an example of the products I'm referring to:
CarBrite

Now all I need is a consumer version of that, because I really don't feel like paying $50 for 2 gallons that I'll never use.

Many car wash solutions are pretty alkaline as well, so I might be able to get away with that ...?

Thanks, though

[STiErik]

claybar took care of it for me, they look like little rust specs..

haven't showed up since.

[BrewPubeaver]

i use a citrus based degreaser that i buy from Harbor frieght that i think would work well with your issue.

[Smoke]

Valugard makes a new wash system called ABC.

This is from autoint.com

"The unique, and time tested and proven ValuGard ABC system will remove ferrous oxide particles, built up grime and light oxidation, hard water spots and all enviormental acids from the vehicle's paint, be it a clearcoat or a single stage."

The ABC kit has an acid neutralizer and alkaline neutralizer as well as a heavy duty car wash shampoo. Might help you, havent used it though.

[WideOpen&Sideways]

Thanks, guys. I will look into those products.

I'm also going to call Car Brite and see if they can hook me up with a tester. They were our supplier at Honda, so maybe they'll hook me up.

If I do go ahead with an acid wash, I'll see if I can remember to take some pics to post up. It's actually a pretty cool process ... that only 5% of people know how to do.

Cheers !

[DetailersDomain.com]

2nd on the ABC system.

however I'm pretty sure the clay should work... but of course I'm not in front of your car,

After you do clean it up I would have to say stay on top of the washes (I'm sure you don't have time though)

Fallout shows the most on white.

[WideOpen&Sideways]

Thanks for the reply.

Clay works on most types of fallout, but not this kind. Railway dust is a bit different and is very aggressive on painted surfaces. Clay will make the surface smooth but will not completely remove the particles. Acid wash is the only way to go.

Majority of the particles in the paint were from the previous owner, so I'm doing some catch up, yet I'm sure I've contributed to it as well. The doors are the only real issue ... settled railway dust on the street gets kicked up by the tires and distributed on the doors. The morning dew starts the chemical reaction between the dust and substrate. I have ordered some Rally Armor, so I believe this will help reduce the amount of particles settling on the paint in these places. The car gets washed by hand at least once a week though if this trend continues, I'm going to strip the doors and build up a thick coat of sealant to try and detour the particles making such a quick connection with the paint surface.

Thanks for recommendations