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Old 01-15-2007, 05:42 PM   #1
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Default Tell me about my timing PLZ.



These are my targets
Stock below 2000 RPM
18 at 4000 rpm
22 at 5000
24 at 6000
29 at 6800


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Old 01-15-2007, 05:55 PM   #2
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Check you knock correction tables during live tuning. It sure as hell looks like its pulling timing...

Others will chime in with real good theories....
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Old 01-15-2007, 06:02 PM   #3
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Check you knock correction tables during live tuning. It sure as hell looks like its pulling timing...

Others will chime in with real good theories....
Knock correction table shows zeros. So you think is pulling timing that's weird because its hitting all my targets (Primary + my full correction) in all cells. BTW I re-did my primary table if it makes a difference.

These are my targets

18 at 4000 rpm
22 at 5000
24 at 6000
29 at 6800

All 3 DA tables are set to same value (8). All my logs are showing 8 in every cell
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Old 01-15-2007, 06:21 PM   #4
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Knock correction table shows zeros. So you think is pulling timing that's weird because its hitting all my targets (Primary + my full correction) in all cells. BTW I re-did my primary table if it makes a difference.

These are my targets

18 at 4000 rpm
22 at 5000
24 at 6000
29 at 6800

All 3 DA tables are set to same value (8). All my logs are showing 8 in every cell
Marcos
Hmmm Im not sure but it looks like you ran 16btdc@4000rpm on that log up in post #1.

Someone else will have to help you sorry.
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Old 01-15-2007, 06:31 PM   #5
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I see, but the RPM is not accurate. I don't run 8000 RPM. I will try to post the log maybe is easier that way

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Old 01-16-2007, 08:32 AM   #6
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Looks pretty healthy. I assume you have all your DA tables set to 8. That is a typical stage2 timing curve and it appears to look pretty good. IMO anymore timing added will result in the ecu pulling slight timing but still showing a DA of 8. Running much more timing would probably be unhealthy. Looks like your probably running a catted TBE? Your running a hella alot of WGDC to hit target boost IMO. Do you have ST? Use that to log if you do and if your using ecuexplorer make sure you have the extra parameter check for relative pressure corrected that reads above 18.427 since your probably running an unhealthy amount of boost with almost 90+% WGDC at 3500-4000rpms. Also check for boost leaks b/c 13psi at redline with that much WGDC is weak. You should be hitting at least 14psi there. You fuel also looks like it may be unhealthy lean but that is impossible to tell w/o a wideband o2. I typically see at least upper 90% IDC on a typical stage2 running a 11:1 afr or richer from about 5000+rpms.
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Old 01-16-2007, 08:49 AM   #7
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I think the total timing looks ok. However, it really depends on what your DA tables are set to AND what your IAM is. This is where a tuner's style comes into play. Some of us like to tune such that the maximum amount of timing includes the DA we have specified in the DA maps. For example, when reviewing one of my logs you will see only 10 in the DA column at WOT. Anything less than 10 then I know the ECU got pissed off. Very easy to scan down that column and see what is going on. Yours goes from 8d to 9d at the top so I don't know how you have your tune setup.

The boost doesn't look that good to me. I think it is time for a solenoid since you can't hold boost at redline worth a crap (unless you are at a really high altitude?).

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Old 01-16-2007, 10:18 AM   #8
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I think the total timing looks ok. However, it really depends on what your DA tables are set to AND what your IAM is. This is where a tuner's style comes into play. Some of us like to tune such that the maximum amount of timing includes the DA we have specified in the DA maps. For example, when reviewing one of my logs you will see only 10 in the DA column at WOT. Anything less than 10 then I know the ECU got pissed off. Very easy to scan down that column and see what is going on. Yours goes from 8d to 9d at the top so I don't know how you have your tune setup.

The boost doesn't look that good to me. I think it is time for a solenoid since you can't hold boost at redline worth a crap (unless you are at a really high altitude?).

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Jeez is there an echo in here
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Old 01-16-2007, 10:31 AM   #9
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Yea. I started my reply before you posted. Took me a little bit to finish it up because of other stuff. But, I don't think you caught the 8->9d progression

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Old 01-16-2007, 12:53 PM   #10
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Looks pretty healthy. I assume you have all your DA tables set to 8. That is a typical stage2 timing curve and it appears to look pretty good. IMO anymore timing added will result in the ecu pulling slight timing but still showing a DA of 8. Running much more timing would probably be unhealthy. Looks like your probably running a catted TBE? Your running a hella alot of WGDC to hit target boost IMO. Do you have ST? Use that to log if you do and if your using ecuexplorer make sure you have the extra parameter check for relative pressure corrected that reads above 18.427 since your probably running an unhealthy amount of boost with almost 90+% WGDC at 3500-4000rpms. Also check for boost leaks b/c 13psi at redline with that much WGDC is weak. You should be hitting at least 14psi there. You fuel also looks like it may be unhealthy lean but that is impossible to tell w/o a wideband o2. I typically see at least upper 90% IDC on a typical stage2 running a 11:1 afr or richer from about 5000+rpms.

Yes I have all the DA tables set to 8 exept the last 3 rows I think it was 6400 and higher. You are prob right about the boost leak because I took my intercooler off to install the LC-1. Speaking of wich I am using 2 laptops because my LC-1 refuses to connect to ST but happy to say is running pig rich. BTW I still have the stock catback.

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Old 01-16-2007, 12:59 PM   #11
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I think the total timing looks ok. However, it really depends on what your DA tables are set to AND what your IAM is. This is where a tuner's style comes into play. Some of us like to tune such that the maximum amount of timing includes the DA we have specified in the DA maps. For example, when reviewing one of my logs you will see only 10 in the DA column at WOT. Anything less than 10 then I know the ECU got pissed off. Very easy to scan down that column and see what is going on. Yours goes from 8d to 9d at the top so I don't know how you have your tune setup.

The boost doesn't look that good to me. I think it is time for a solenoid since you can't hold boost at redline worth a crap (unless you are at a really high altitude?).

t
My DA tables are set to 8 exept the last 3 rows wich are set to 9. Also my IAM shows solid 1.0. I live in florida and have the GM solenoide just need time off to put it on.

Just another question. When you say looks OK are you trying to say my car could explode or is not bad for a noob doing his first Street Tune

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Old 01-16-2007, 01:38 PM   #12
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Yea. I started my reply before you posted. Took me a little bit to finish it up because of other stuff. But, I don't think you caught the 8->9d progression

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Haha you got me there. I think your targets are pretty good for a standard stage2 setup. The stock cat-back may be the reason behind your lower boost up top with the back pressure it is creating. Do yourself a favor and set all of the DA to 8 and not have that random 9 at the higher rpms. It will make life easier to catch where timing is being dropped or added. As for the leaks I would def. go check. That stock turbo to IC coupler is a piece of crap and back in the day when I reinstalled it once, the clamp chewed the crap out of the hose and left a crappy leak. Also make sure your IC is aligned correctly since the TB hose to IC if not on pretty straight and even if tight likes to leak and move.
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Old 01-16-2007, 01:45 PM   #13
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Just another question. When you say looks OK are you trying to say my car could explode or is not bad for a noob doing his first Street Tune
When you say noob doing his first tune... what all have you changed thus far?

It may help to post all of the modifications that you have made thus far... usually helps diagnose everything, as many maps are interdependant.
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Old 01-16-2007, 03:04 PM   #14
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When you say noob doing his first tune... what all have you changed thus far?

It may help to post all of the modifications that you have made thus far... usually helps diagnose everything, as many maps are interdependant.
I started with the boost (I will prob redo). I did my primary and DA tables to meet my targets see post #3 and that's it for now. My car has a down-pipe stock catback and stock filter(filter box).

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Old 01-16-2007, 05:52 PM   #15
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I started with the boost (but right now is never constant) need to work more. I re-did my primary and DA tables to meet my targets.
That's it for now. My car has a down-pipe stoc catback and stock filter.

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Catted or catless?


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