Why no Stage 3 AP maps yet?

2fas4u · 09-11-2005, 04:55 PM

Hi everyone getting my AP and street tuner S/W on Tuesday and I was wondering why there are no STAGE 3 maps yet for the AP? Is this due to everyone just tuning their own with the Street Tuner S/W? Would love to see a STAGE 3 for an 05 STI with CAI, TBE, headers and stock turbo....

cnstman · 09-11-2005, 07:29 PM

what exactly is included in a "stage 3" car? looks like the list of mods you have there is stage 2 + CAI, which cobb will never release a map for, unless it is their intake. you could run the stage 2 map and risk the CAI, the headers are within stage 2.

***VSGTS14*** · 09-11-2005, 07:40 PM

yea most of that is within stage 2...
cobb says stage 3 is an upgraded tmic...

STirish · 09-12-2005, 07:47 AM

Cobb’s intake should not need any tuning as there *should* be no flow interruptions around the MAF

WolfPlayer · 09-12-2005, 08:55 AM

Stage blablabla. Someone said it well above - 'What is stage 3?' ... lol. Your mods are Cobb's Stage 2 setup. Cobb's Stage 3 will be their top mount intercooler and a bigger turbo (where the key here is the bigger turbo that will be VERY specific).

Don't look for a stage 3 for an STI from Cobb anytime soon. The WRX VF34 guys running Cobb's Stage 2-1/2 have been waiting on one forever ... and they already have the turbo picked out. Cobb hasn't truly mentioned to the public about which turbo they will even use for the STI stage 3. Last I heard, it was going to be a PE1820. But, that was a LONG time ago.

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2fas4u · 09-12-2005, 01:13 PM

Okay great thansk for the info guys! Well I won't be running what they say because I already have the TMIC and the TD06H-20G is sitting here as well. Thanks again!

Jay

Timothywrx · 09-12-2005, 03:09 PM

i have a costom map with the following mod for street tuner
aps intake
aps fmic
turbo back cated
perrin fuel rail
gt spec headers
ported turbo
exedy twin disc clutch
manual boost controller

WolfPlayer · 09-12-2005, 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timothywrx

i have a costom map with the following mod for street tuner
aps intake
aps fmic
turbo back cated
perrin fuel rail
gt spec headers
ported turbo
exedy twin disc clutch
manual boost controller

If you feel so inclined ... post your map. We'll tell you what they did wrong

... and what they did right. There's no black magic in a 'custom tune' for those that know what they are doing and it won't be something that I haven't seen before.

t

WolfPlayer · 09-13-2005, 01:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nhluhr

Stages are for thespians!

Word.

2fas4u · 09-13-2005, 03:52 AM

yeah how true. My bad on wording...I dont know why I am a bit upset with Cobb because they want you to run their intake and suggested turbo. Not like we all havent gone through that with Microsoft for many years right?

Just would be a better product base if they desinged maps that used some of the more common parts we all own from intakes to turbos....

cnstman · 09-13-2005, 04:22 AM

cobb has not changed their tune on what maps are going to be available for the AP since the beginning, even with the wrx, so if you don't like their products, or their "stage" path, don't buy an AP. i can understand people being frustrated with how long the ST took to release, but now that it is out, they have the best EM solution IMHO.

there are really no "common" parts, there are so many options out for the wrx/sti, there is no way cobb could release a good, safe map for all combinations, their time is better spent developing and releasing more features for the ST!

focus4 · 09-13-2005, 04:12 PM

with the relase of the protuner and streettuner, i doubt that cobb will release anything above stg 2 for the sti. Stage 3 for the wrx will just be with their TMIC. When you start varing injectors, turbo's, and what not you really need a custom tune to have your car run at its best potential. Look how many maps there are for stg 1 & 2 - hwg, lwg, cali. With a big turbo all of the factors are too different to release an off the shelf map for everyone. Just upgrade your setup and take your car to the nearest Protuner...

2fas4u · 09-23-2005, 10:20 AM

Yeah very true! I love the AP and will be getting the street tuner s/w very soon. Good friends are protuners so I am covered. I agree that is the best way to go all around...

RacerXS · 09-23-2005, 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cnstman

there are really no "common" parts, there are so many options out for the wrx/sti, there is no way cobb could release a good, safe map for all combinations, their time is better spent developing and releasing more features for the ST!

Exactly, this is was/is the whole point of Cobb releasing ST. Now it's here & peeps are STILL looking for the stage 3 off the shelf.......HHHHHHEEEEEELLLLLOOOOO. Don't be a sheep!

09-11-2005, 04:55 PM	#1
2fas4u Silver Member Car: 05 STI Location: Manchester, Maryland Posts: 1,864 Join Date: Aug 2005 Trader Rating: (3)	Why no Stage 3 AP maps yet? Hi everyone getting my AP and street tuner S/W on Tuesday and I was wondering why there are no STAGE 3 maps yet for the AP? Is this due to everyone just tuning their own with the Street Tuner S/W? Would love to see a STAGE 3 for an 05 STI with CAI, TBE, headers and stock turbo.... This ad is not endorsed by this member. Please register or login to hide this ad.

09-11-2005, 07:29 PM	#2
cnstman Spec C Club Car: 04 STi Fav Mod: GT-35R Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 1,326 Join Date: Jan 2003 Trader Rating: (2)	what exactly is included in a "stage 3" car? looks like the list of mods you have there is stage 2 + CAI, which cobb will never release a map for, unless it is their intake. you could run the stage 2 map and risk the CAI, the headers are within stage 2.

09-11-2005, 07:40 PM	#3
*VSGTS14* Muller Chevrolet Car: 08 Chevy 2500HD Fav Mod: a new 08 STi Location: Milford, NJ Posts: 9,851 Join Date: Oct 2004 Trader Rating: (11)	yea most of that is within stage 2... cobb says stage 3 is an upgraded tmic...

09-12-2005, 07:47 AM	#4
STirish Spec C Club Car: '99 M3/'03 WRX Avant Fav Mod: Modification is wrong! Location: SLC, UT Posts: 1,026 Join Date: Sep 2004 Trader Rating: (6)	Cobb’s intake should not need any tuning as there should be no flow interruptions around the MAF

09-12-2005, 08:55 AM	#5
WolfPlayer Moderator & ECU Tech Car: 05 CGM STI Fav Mod: mo boostaz Location: Fredneck, MD Posts: 3,646 Join Date: Jun 2004 Trader Rating: (6)	Stage blablabla. Someone said it well above - 'What is stage 3?' ... lol. Your mods are Cobb's Stage 2 setup. Cobb's Stage 3 will be their top mount intercooler and a bigger turbo (where the key here is the bigger turbo that will be VERY specific). Don't look for a stage 3 for an STI from Cobb anytime soon. The WRX VF34 guys running Cobb's Stage 2-1/2 have been waiting on one forever ... and they already have the turbo picked out. Cobb hasn't truly mentioned to the public about which turbo they will even use for the STI stage 3. Last I heard, it was going to be a PE1820. But, that was a LONG time ago. t

09-12-2005, 01:13 PM	#6
2fas4u Silver Member Car: 05 STI Location: Manchester, Maryland Posts: 1,864 Join Date: Aug 2005 Trader Rating: (3)	Okay great thansk for the info guys! Well I won't be running what they say because I already have the TMIC and the TD06H-20G is sitting here as well. Thanks again! Jay

09-12-2005, 03:09 PM	#7
Timothywrx Junior STI Driver Car: 04 sti Location: Covington VA Posts: 62 Join Date: Jan 2004 Trader Rating: (0)	i have a costom map with the following mod for street tuner aps intake aps fmic turbo back cated perrin fuel rail gt spec headers ported turbo exedy twin disc clutch manual boost controller

09-13-2005, 03:52 AM	#10
2fas4u Silver Member Car: 05 STI Location: Manchester, Maryland Posts: 1,864 Join Date: Aug 2005 Trader Rating: (3)	yeah how true. My bad on wording...I dont know why I am a bit upset with Cobb because they want you to run their intake and suggested turbo. Not like we all havent gone through that with Microsoft for many years right? Just would be a better product base if they desinged maps that used some of the more common parts we all own from intakes to turbos....

09-13-2005, 04:22 AM	#11
cnstman Spec C Club Car: 04 STi Fav Mod: GT-35R Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 1,326 Join Date: Jan 2003 Trader Rating: (2)	cobb has not changed their tune on what maps are going to be available for the AP since the beginning, even with the wrx, so if you don't like their products, or their "stage" path, don't buy an AP. i can understand people being frustrated with how long the ST took to release, but now that it is out, they have the best EM solution IMHO. there are really no "common" parts, there are so many options out for the wrx/sti, there is no way cobb could release a good, safe map for all combinations, their time is better spent developing and releasing more features for the ST!

09-13-2005, 04:12 PM	#12
focus4 STI Driver Car: 04 STi Location: Northern NJ Posts: 208 Join Date: May 2003 Trader Rating: (0)	with the relase of the protuner and streettuner, i doubt that cobb will release anything above stg 2 for the sti. Stage 3 for the wrx will just be with their TMIC. When you start varing injectors, turbo's, and what not you really need a custom tune to have your car run at its best potential. Look how many maps there are for stg 1 & 2 - hwg, lwg, cali. With a big turbo all of the factors are too different to release an off the shelf map for everyone. Just upgrade your setup and take your car to the nearest Protuner...

09-23-2005, 10:20 AM	#13
2fas4u Silver Member Car: 05 STI Location: Manchester, Maryland Posts: 1,864 Join Date: Aug 2005 Trader Rating: (3)	Yeah very true! I love the AP and will be getting the street tuner s/w very soon. Good friends are protuners so I am covered. I agree that is the best way to go all around...