[diabloadsit]

AR Fab for the win if you are wanting a cheaper way to go without breaking the bank and getting customer service and from what I hear a great product. I talked to the guys on the phone for like 30 min. and they are awsome and seem to run a tight ship. Whenever I move to VA I will be getting all of my work done there(Sorry guys at TopSpeed you have been great but you will be to far away.)

[SubieFiesta]

Originally Posted by psuLemon

Have you also looked at AR Fab, Cobb, Axis or AMR blocks? There are many companies that make amazing blocks. It is my firm belief that i would get the block from the company that can provide me the best service. As much as I would want a cosworth block, I can't see I could get the customer support like I could from a local builder, its nice being between AR Fab and AMR, lol. Crawford has had some issues in the past but they have seemed to improve their customer service in the past year. Many still don't trust them even if they don't have first hand experience.

+1 for AMR

[Tortfeasor STi]

Given the choice between the two I would take cosworth. However, you should expand your search with the companies others have listed and see what block is built best for your particular application. If all you need is a stock block build with forged pistons, why pay more for a full tilt boogy engine when you will never use all its capabilities?

[TitaniumForge]

Originally Posted by wdb

However the point of a message board is NOT to share the same info over, and over, and over again. If you are truly interested in learning more about the two companies, searching the forums is the first place to go. Simply tossing a post out there and expecting others to do your work for you is disrespectful to other forum members, IMESHO.
Search is your friend.

That is very NASIOCiastic

[CrawfordPerformance.com]

Originally Posted by BunaSTi

So who's got the goods? Cosworth VS Crawford? Im really digging the Cosworth. But what do you guys think between the two? No other opinion just choose between the two.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rlBcqIiNxY

Sorry that your thread has brought out the haters as opposed to people with experience you are looking for. That’s a problem with forums, personal opinions out weigh personal experience

[psuLemon]

Originally Posted by Crawford/I-Speed

Sorry that your thread has brought out the haters as opposed to people with experience you are looking for. That’s a problem with forums, personal opinions out weigh personal experience

True, this is why I mentioned people form opinions before they have experience. I can't/won't say if you guys are good or bad. i haven't dealt with you or cosworth. I will say, it appears that Crawfords rep and service is starting to improve. But the best thing to do is search and call builders. Even if you aren't going to buy right away, they will spend time with you on the phone answer questions. You then compare to other companies and buy what fits your needs. You need to know your power goals and what turbo set up you would prefer. Is this a DD or a dedicated track car? Where are you located? If you are in CA, then stop by crawfords shop. What does your tuner think? This is all stuff that needs to be thought out. Every person on this forum has an opinion even they haven't dealt with the companies. I bet you will find bad in every company, as well as you will find good. I have heard great things about AMR, Axis, AR Fab, Cobb, Cosworth and we have many members that have good experiences from Crawford (more as of recently than a few years ago). I know I said this earlier, but I felt it needed repeating.


APS is a prime example. When I got my STI, I had a bunch for friends and engineers talk crap on them. I was told a bunch of people in Austrilia think they are horrible and then I found this forum and except for turboes, people love APS... go figure, lol

[WolfPlayer]

Originally Posted by Crawford/I-Speed

Sorry that your thread has brought out the haters as opposed to people with experience you are looking for. That’s a problem with forums, personal opinions out weigh personal experience

So - how do you perceive your ability, experience, and reputation as compared to Cosworth?

t

[CrawfordPerformance.com]

Originally Posted by WolfPlayer

So - how do you perceive your ability, experience, and reputation as compared to Cosworth?

t

How about asking that question to this guy; http://www.crawfordperformance.com/r...info.cgi?id=37

Or maybe this guy; http://www.crawfordperformance.com/r...info.cgi?id=35

Results speak for themselves.

[ZuMBLe]

I must admit, Crawfords cars have been winning.

I would love to see one of the tunes from those cars. =)

[modaddict]

OP, I am going with a Crawford block when the time comes soon. I hope to get an S3L, but Quirt could hook me up with that sweet S4 if he really wants to!

Why am I going with them? Because they win races.....and I want to get into road racing/ autoX soon.

Cosworth and Crawford will both have engine failures.....as will EVERY SINGLE other engine builder (cobb, ARFab, axis, gruppe-s, amr, worldone....etc). It's just a fact of life. You just have to hope it won't be you

[Flycaster]

Originally Posted by modaddict

...Cosworth and Crawford will both have engine failures.....as will EVERY SINGLE other engine builder...

Absolutely true. Search here and on NASIOC - no one is spared the ocassional failure.

[snorky]

Originally Posted by modaddict

OP, I am going with a Crawford block when the time comes soon. I hope to get an S3L, but Quirt could hook me up with that sweet S4 if he really wants to!

Why am I going with them? Because they win races.....and I want to get into road racing/ autoX soon.

Cosworth and Crawford will both have engine failures.....as will EVERY SINGLE other engine builder (cobb, ARFab, axis, gruppe-s, amr, worldone....etc). It's just a fact of life. You just have to hope it won't be you

you don't need a built block to win races

imo customer support is right up there with hp numbers. i'd sacrifice numbers, a little extra dough if the company has good support. It's all about integrity. Quality products are a part of it but so is service. A company is willing to do all they can to help is important.

In my experience, there are few performance companies/vendors that are really willing to help or even follow up and that's sad because we spend a lot of money. Some I would say are negligent. "Just ignore the problem and it will go away."

[modaddict]

Originally Posted by snorky

you don't need a built block to win races

true.

but racing a stock block on a 35r will only last so long before you either:
1. break a ringland
2. wear a connecting rod
3. DIAF

[mxpop]

Originally Posted by BunaSTi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rlBcqIiNxY

1:02.8?

I have run under 1:00 on several occaisions (best documented time for me is 59.6) at this track/config with my full weight DD STI on DOT tires and COMPLETELY STOCK MOTOR plus the mods listed in my sig! I even did a 1:01 flat on street compound (non "R" REO1R) tires with my son as my passenger in the car.

I was at this Touge (pronounced 'toe-gay') "race" with my car available but they wouldnt let me run. Hmmmmmmm BTW, that trophy girl was "rancid baby, yeah!" and it was very cold...

This event was ran more like a staged WWF show than a true test of equipment. While their "imported" drivers are well known in their circles, I bet that all of the cars entered would have gone faster with their regular drivers in them. Several cars even "died" in their hands at this event as well.......





Tanner and Ken (as are Travis, Colin, etc....) are big talents with huge budgets and top notch equipment, including some of Crawford's involvement. These guys could/would/have win an any number of cars regardless of engine builder. ( I believe that Vermont Sports Car did most/all of the car prep, true?)

http://www.vtcar.com/

That said, both Crawford and Cosworth can supply race winning motors if you have the budget and talent (luck?) to match.

Cosworth is a huge international company with long standing direct F1 involvement etc. That's a pretty impressive statement.

Crawford is a small company that specializes in Subaru who's owner/operator/mechanic/janitor is on site and will personaly be involved with your specific needs. That's also a pretty impressive statement.

As always, determine your needs/wants/budget/targets etc and then do your homework. Both companies, (and others...) can provide race winning capable motors. It's up to you to see what will suit you the best.



BTW Quirt, what was your involvement with these cars? Niether VSC nor the Suby rally guys give you any love while dishing out credit to others, what gives?

www.subaru.com/rally


This was the only love you got that I saw, whassup wid' dat? (look at front fender sticker)

http://jcmotophoto.smugmug.com/galle...181011458-M-LB

[modaddict]

Originally Posted by mxpop

BTW Quirt, what was your involvement with these cars? Niether VSC nor the Suby rally guys give you any love while dishing out credit to others, what gives?

www.subaru.com/rally


This was the only love you got that I saw, whassup wid' dat? (look at front fender sticker)

http://jcmotophoto.smugmug.com/galle...181011458-M-LB

you can also go here:
http://www.crawfordperformance.com/r....cgi?linkID=37

and see pics with tanner foust and quirt after tanner won the x-games. I'll give you an example: