Cams - Page 3

***Sinister redlines*** · 06-15-2007, 07:17 AM

BTW I was not aware your time attack car had stock cams, I thought for sure it had aftermarket ones.

***520*** · 06-15-2007, 07:33 AM

flowbench #'s dont lie, but dyno #'s is another story

Either way, thats pretty cool you guys are on stock cams.

**Crawford/I-Speed** · 06-15-2007, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Sinister redlines

BTW I was not aware your time attack car had stock cams, I thought for sure it had aftermarket ones.

Not to worry

, it’s shocking how many stock parts are used in our Silver Time Attack car.

Of the sixteen races we've won over the last year, 90% of them were with stock heads as well. That being said, mild porting of our Subaru heads is a beneficial upgrade while aggressive porting narrows the power band to much for any use other than drag racing.

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**Crawford/I-Speed** · 06-15-2007, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by 520hpSTi

flowbench #'s dont lie, but dyno #'s is another story

Either way, thats pretty cool you guys are on stock cams.

Point well taken...

But don't you think we've won enough Time Attacks and set enough track records to back up our dyno numbers? You personally said we needed to back up our numbers at the track and we took your opinion to heart, and to the track

***520*** · 06-15-2007, 07:48 AM

That wasn't a stab at you directly, more of a general statement. Dyno #'s dont mean a thing to me anymore.

I think your Time attack car is sick and agree that it is a proven car.

***Sinister redlines*** · 06-15-2007, 10:30 AM

Crawford, off topic but winning is only half the car. It also has alot to do with the driver as well. Dont take this wrong you have just proven a great combination. However the majority of people are weekend warriors that daily drive thier cars.

STiSpeed · 06-15-2007, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by SNE2040

It's not cost efficient to do anything besides basic bolt ons on an STi because of the motor design. If you want a hell of a lot more power, buy an Evo or a Supra.

Wow, you would never think some people here who say they own STi's actually own them.

Have more confidence in your car, or sell it I guess.

**Crawford/I-Speed** · 06-15-2007, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by 520hpSTi

That wasn't a stab at you directly, more of a general statement. Dyno #'s dont mean a thing to me anymore.

I think your Time attack car is sick and agree that it is a proven car.

"Dyno #'s dont mean a thing to me anymore." Well said

Sorry for taking it as a stab.

***JPWEraser*** · 06-15-2007, 10:55 AM

Tanner Foust would make a Geo Metro look like a sports car - driver has everything to do with it.

***520*** · 06-15-2007, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Crawford/I-Speed

"Dyno #'s dont mean a thing to me anymore." Well said

Sorry for taking it as a stab.

I can see how it would seem like a stab from past threads etc.. its all good.

+1 to the driver mod.

**Crawford/I-Speed** · 06-15-2007, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Sinister redlines

Crawford, off topic but winning is only half the car. It also has alot to do with the driver as well. Dont take this wrong you have just proven a great combination. However the majority of people are weekend warriors that daily drive thier cars.

Thanks for the kind words

You are correct, the driver is a very inportant part of the equation.

As for weekend warriors, 98% of the cars we race against are "trailered to the track" race cars. We do not compete against street cars driven by weekend warriors. Our competitors are usually race cars owned by another performance shop.

***Sinister redlines*** · 06-15-2007, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Crawford/I-Speed

Thanks for the kind words

You are correct, the driver is a very inportant part of the equation.

As for weekend warriors, 98% of the cars we race against are "trailered to the track" race cars. We do not compete against street cars driven by weekend warriors. Our competitors are usually race cars owned by another performance shop.

Exactly, this why its important to clarify the performance of a "track car" vs a "street car" be well defined as both react very differently. All engine builders have thier difference in opinions. Mostly its just what they have experience with, and most times both engines will serve the duty requested. I personnaly have had great experiences with cams vs you may have not but you have obviously proven yours works. Maybe I'm off LOL.

WRX4ME LE 482 · 06-15-2007, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SNE2040

Well like others stated, you need 4 cams and you gotta drop the motor. Also our oil feed system kind of limits us from revving high.

All i'm saying is that it's a lot cheaper and easier working on an Evo or a Supra.

Yea, of course it's cheaper and easier to soup up a Subra. You have a big V6 that makes more power easily.

I can see our cars costing more because of the extra cams, but we rev just as high as the EVO, and Im pretty sure we are up against about the same obstacles in getting that higher.

Ive heard soo many ppl throw around EVOs make more power easier, but I still cant see why it's true. Surely, them being cheaper and easier with cams isnt the only reason.,,

***520*** · 06-15-2007, 12:58 PM

^ It is for many other reasons that i wont put in this thread to start another EVO vs STi thread.

Also evo = 2.0l = revs higher. Stock some people take their evos to 7800, try that with an sti for a long period of time.

eXstasy · 06-15-2007, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by WRX4ME LE 482

Yea, of course it's cheaper and easier to soup up a Subra. You have a big V6 that makes more power easily.

Just to be politically correct, Supras had an inline-6 layout

Aside from displacement, it also had a bomb proof iron-cast block... that discussion is for another thread though.

06-15-2007, 07:17 AM	#31
*Sinister redlines* Platinum Member Car: x2 05 WRX STi's Location: WA Posts: 511 Join Date: Jun 2006 Trader Rating: (9)	Re: Cams BTW I was not aware your time attack car had stock cams, I thought for sure it had aftermarket ones. This ad is not endorsed by this member. Please register or login to hide this ad.

06-15-2007, 07:33 AM	#32
*520* pwns n00bs Car: 03 EVO Fav Mod: stock :( Location: Michigan Posts: 12,281 Join Date: Oct 2005 Trader Rating: (1)	Re: Cams flowbench #'s dont lie, but dyno #'s is another story Either way, thats pretty cool you guys are on stock cams.

06-15-2007, 07:48 AM	#35
*520* pwns n00bs Car: 03 EVO Fav Mod: stock :( Location: Michigan Posts: 12,281 Join Date: Oct 2005 Trader Rating: (1)	Re: Cams That wasn't a stab at you directly, more of a general statement. Dyno #'s dont mean a thing to me anymore. I think your Time attack car is sick and agree that it is a proven car.

06-15-2007, 10:30 AM	#36
*Sinister redlines* Platinum Member Car: x2 05 WRX STi's Location: WA Posts: 511 Join Date: Jun 2006 Trader Rating: (9)	Re: Cams Crawford, off topic but winning is only half the car. It also has alot to do with the driver as well. Dont take this wrong you have just proven a great combination. However the majority of people are weekend warriors that daily drive thier cars.

06-15-2007, 10:55 AM	#39
*JPWEraser* Platinum Member Car: 05 STi Fav Mod: Do Luck CF Location: East TN Posts: 1,532 Join Date: May 2005 Trader Rating: (4)	Re: Cams Tanner Foust would make a Geo Metro look like a sports car - driver has everything to do with it.

06-15-2007, 12:58 PM	#44
*520* pwns n00bs Car: 03 EVO Fav Mod: stock :( Location: Michigan Posts: 12,281 Join Date: Oct 2005 Trader Rating: (1)	Re: Cams ^ It is for many other reasons that i wont put in this thread to start another EVO vs STi thread. Also evo = 2.0l = revs higher. Stock some people take their evos to 7800, try that with an sti for a long period of time.