Possible Gruppe-s Stage 2 built block issue! - Page 2

BLUE STINGER · 04-17-2007, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Boxer112

im not saying you are targeting vendors but it doesnt mean other people wont.I honestly hope everything works out for you though.

Very good point, well taken.

Thanks,

Ron

Flycaster · 04-17-2007, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by BLUE STINGER

...copper flakes are still present in the oil dipstick.

Hmmm, if you haven't already done it, drop the oil and send a sample in for analysis: sometimes what appears to be metal really isn't. And if it is, you'll have that in hand to show to the engine builder.

BLUE STINGER · 04-17-2007, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flycaster

Hmmm, if you haven't already done it, drop the oil and send a sample in for analysis: sometimes what appears to be metal really isn't. And if it is, you'll have that in hand to show to the engine builder.

Yes, I think that's a good way of going about it.

Thanks,

Ron

BLUE STINGER · 04-17-2007, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by RacerXS

If it's Grupp-S's motor & they installed it, why don't you take it back to them?

Well it's hard to explain! But not to go in any details, I followed the guy who offered to help me out with my car and who I've dealt with more than anyone else during the Gruppe-s times.

Thanks,

Ron

BLUE STINGER · 04-17-2007, 01:58 PM

Thank for all the advice guys, but I'm not here to bash on any vendor. I'm simply here to get some opinions on my car and possibly someone that can point me to the right direction. I don't want to play any psychological games with me wearing myself out by statings things that I'm not too sure of.

I have no control over what everyone says, so if anyone if offended with my post I apologize.

Ron

STI Nicholas · 04-17-2007, 02:01 PM

Sounds like a rod bearing has gone bad. You said that the car won't idle at a stop and that you had some metallic like substance in your oil. My buddy, who has an Evo, had the same issues in addition to a loss of power and it turned out to be the rod bearing.
Your tranny oil and engine oil are not shared. So if you see stuff in the oil changes it is from the motor.
Drop your oil pan and take a look at the rod bearings.

BLUE STINGER · 04-17-2007, 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by STI Nicholas

Sounds like a rod bearing has gone bad. You said that the car won't idle at a stop and that you had some metallic like substance in your oil. My buddy, who has an Evo, had the same issues in addition to a loss of power and it turned out to be the rod bearing.
Your tranny oil and engine oil are not shared. So if you see stuff in the oil changes it is from the motor.
Drop your oil pan and take a look at the rod bearings.

Humm.... that's the same problem that I'm experiencing with my car. Thanks for the info.

Ron

Flycaster · 04-18-2007, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by STI Nicholas

...Drop your oil pan and take a look at the rod bearings.

This isn't a V or in-line motor - you can't access the bearings without splitting the case...unless you have some really neat tools that I haven't seen before.

BenW · 04-18-2007, 10:26 PM

Hi Ron, sorry to hear about your troubles.

My car exhibited the same symptoms but it was the OEM engine. Stalled out at consecutive stop signs and then died all the way. upon changing the battery (it was found to be dead, oem battery @ 47k), the car had a horrible rod knock sound. drained oil to find lots of glittery particles (very fine, no big chunks or flakes).

good luck in this journey to have it solved!

MorePSiTehBett4 · 04-20-2007, 08:24 AM

bump for my boy ron...his car has been down for to long...drastic times call for drastic measures, it's ridiculous that your car isn't up yet RIDICULOUS and ron is still being nice and calm about it...he has patience that i don't have nor will i ever have

BLUE STINGER · 04-23-2007, 10:28 PM

Ok I went ahead and did an oil change on my car and here is what I got:

I hate to say it, but that's how the oil looks. It was just so glittery and it didn't even look like oil. The copper/bronze glitters were present in every drop of oil. I now need to get in contact with Gruppe-s or someone, so I can get this matter resolve. I will keep everyone updated and any helpful opinion/info will be great.

Thanks,

Ron

MorePSiTehBett4 · 04-24-2007, 12:52 AM

yuuuck...

Flycaster · 04-24-2007, 08:18 AM

One step at a time here: a rush oil analysis, first. If it shows deadly amounts of bearing or other metals, contact the builder and make arrangements to tow the car over to their shop. You want them to do all the R&R and engine rebuild labor, so you don't have to pay someone else to do it. The total labor bill is going to be the big number, by far, if you have to jerk and rebuild the engine. I don't know why, but many guys seem to brush aside labor costs in these and other projects; it can make for some very, very unpleasant final bill surprises.

I know you say you "followed" a guy who left, but I have to ask, how much is that "loyalty" going to cost you? Or is he willing to do it for free since you're such a nice guy? Sorry, but I had to ask...

dannyc1225 · 04-24-2007, 11:59 AM

id cry if my oil looked like that, looks to be more than just metal flakes, defenitely send the oil out for inspection, if theres any water/coolant/polymer elements in there it will help a lot to isolate the problem, also some places will tell you the composition and percentage of the metal

***520*** · 04-24-2007, 12:02 PM

wow, dont be too nice and take any crap when trying to get this issue fixed.

04-17-2007, 01:58 PM	#20
BLUE STINGER Professional STI Racer Posts: 606 Join Date: Apr 2005 Trader Rating: (3)	Re: Possible Gruppe-s Stage 2 built block issue! Thank for all the advice guys, but I'm not here to bash on any vendor. I'm simply here to get some opinions on my car and possibly someone that can point me to the right direction. I don't want to play any psychological games with me wearing myself out by statings things that I'm not too sure of. I have no control over what everyone says, so if anyone if offended with my post I apologize. Ron

04-17-2007, 02:01 PM	#21
STI Nicholas Junior STI Driver Car: 06 SG STI Location: L.A., CA. Posts: 168 Join Date: Dec 2005 Trader Rating: (5)	Re: Possible Gruppe-s Stage 2 built block issue! Sounds like a rod bearing has gone bad. You said that the car won't idle at a stop and that you had some metallic like substance in your oil. My buddy, who has an Evo, had the same issues in addition to a loss of power and it turned out to be the rod bearing. Your tranny oil and engine oil are not shared. So if you see stuff in the oil changes it is from the motor. Drop your oil pan and take a look at the rod bearings.

04-18-2007, 10:26 PM	#24
BenW Grassroots STI Racer Car: aspen 2005 wingless Fav Mod: racecomp tarmac 2 coilovers Location: oklahoma city Posts: 514 Join Date: Sep 2006 Trader Rating: (3)	Re: Possible Gruppe-s Stage 2 built block issue! Hi Ron, sorry to hear about your troubles. My car exhibited the same symptoms but it was the OEM engine. Stalled out at consecutive stop signs and then died all the way. upon changing the battery (it was found to be dead, oem battery @ 47k), the car had a horrible rod knock sound. drained oil to find lots of glittery particles (very fine, no big chunks or flakes). good luck in this journey to have it solved!

04-20-2007, 08:24 AM	#25
MorePSiTehBett4 The Next Petter Solberg Car: 04 STi JBP Fav Mod: 04 STi GST Protune Location: SAC, NORCAL Posts: 916 Join Date: Feb 2006 Trader Rating: (1)	Re: Possible Gruppe-s Stage 2 built block issue! bump for my boy ron...his car has been down for to long...drastic times call for drastic measures, it's ridiculous that your car isn't up yet RIDICULOUS and ron is still being nice and calm about it...he has patience that i don't have nor will i ever have

04-23-2007, 10:28 PM	#26
BLUE STINGER Professional STI Racer Posts: 606 Join Date: Apr 2005 Trader Rating: (3)	Re: Possible Gruppe-s Stage 2 built block issue! Ok I went ahead and did an oil change on my car and here is what I got: I hate to say it, but that's how the oil looks. It was just so glittery and it didn't even look like oil. The copper/bronze glitters were present in every drop of oil. I now need to get in contact with Gruppe-s or someone, so I can get this matter resolve. I will keep everyone updated and any helpful opinion/info will be great. Thanks, Ron

04-24-2007, 12:52 AM	#27
MorePSiTehBett4 The Next Petter Solberg Car: 04 STi JBP Fav Mod: 04 STi GST Protune Location: SAC, NORCAL Posts: 916 Join Date: Feb 2006 Trader Rating: (1)	Re: Possible Gruppe-s Stage 2 built block issue! yuuuck...

04-24-2007, 08:18 AM	#28
Flycaster S204 Racer Posts: 2,993 Join Date: Apr 2004 Trader Rating: (0)	Re: Possible Gruppe-s Stage 2 built block issue! One step at a time here: a rush oil analysis, first. If it shows deadly amounts of bearing or other metals, contact the builder and make arrangements to tow the car over to their shop. You want them to do all the R&R and engine rebuild labor, so you don't have to pay someone else to do it. The total labor bill is going to be the big number, by far, if you have to jerk and rebuild the engine. I don't know why, but many guys seem to brush aside labor costs in these and other projects; it can make for some very, very unpleasant final bill surprises. I know you say you "followed" a guy who left, but I have to ask, how much is that "loyalty" going to cost you? Or is he willing to do it for free since you're such a nice guy? Sorry, but I had to ask... Last edited by Flycaster : 04-24-2007 at 08:26 AM.

04-24-2007, 11:59 AM	#29
dannyc1225 Senior STI Driver Car: 05 W/G STi Fav Mod: White Headlights Location: SFV Woodland Hills, CA an Posts: 389 Join Date: Jan 2006 Trader Rating: (0)	Re: Possible Gruppe-s Stage 2 built block issue! id cry if my oil looked like that, looks to be more than just metal flakes, defenitely send the oil out for inspection, if theres any water/coolant/polymer elements in there it will help a lot to isolate the problem, also some places will tell you the composition and percentage of the metal

04-24-2007, 12:02 PM	#30
*520* STi > EVO... Wait what??? Car: 03 EVO Fav Mod: stock :( Location: Michigan / Saint Louis Posts: 12,394 Join Date: Oct 2005 Trader Rating: (1)	Re: Possible Gruppe-s Stage 2 built block issue! wow, dont be too nice and take any crap when trying to get this issue fixed. This ad is not endorsed by this member. Please register or login to hide this ad.