[Flycaster]

Originally Posted by Saabaru STI

...I'd like to believe there's somebody with the knowledge, follow through, and experience building a subaru engine like the people who've built Small block Chevy V8's..

There are plenty of fully capable assemblers and machinists out there working on subie motors, some of them with decades of engine building experience. The guy who built my first STi motor has over 50 years of racing machine shop experience, with just about every make and model that you have likely ever heard of. That motor friggin' screamed and I, not he, was responsible for its demise.

The real problem is not ability. It's practical experience in pushing a particular make and model. Think about it. They've been buildling and improving mouse and rat race motors for almost 50 years - with 2.0L+ subies, it's less than 10 in this country. How many Chevy motors do you think they grenaded in the first 10 years? Answer: a bunch.

Jeeze, even Cosworth knows it will take time and constant fiddling to get it right and they've suffered their share of grenaded blocks...and I think they qualify as your "somebody with the knowledge, follow through, and experience." It simply takes time, and we're not quite there yet. As an example, and this just a gut hunch, I think we'll all look back 10 years from now and wonder why in the hell everyone looking to make big power didn't sleeve the motor...me included.

[Neanderthal Racing]

Originally Posted by Crawford/I-Speed

That's good to hear Bruce.... There are a lot of people that want to see the fruits of your labor.

The rivalry will make a great video, when/where can we expect to see your car at the track?

it can't be soon enough for me, quirt. it's in god's and andrewtech's hands now (isfh).

while i'm at it quirt, i can't tell you how impressed i am with your whole program this past year. well done, man.

[CrawfordPerformance.com]

Well then God speed it is, we’ll be at the Redline time attack at the end of the month!

Bruce, you’re one of the reasons we’ve spent the last year proving our products at the race track, so thank yourself as well.

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[BlueBlur05]

Hey crawford.. do you guys ever come to massachusetts?

[CrawfordPerformance.com]

You can expect to see us out of California more than once this year

[WRB Kid]

Crawford FTW I told all of you unless you personally dealt with them don't judge them./....

[Gruppe-S]

Originally Posted by Flycaster

True, but Gruppe S uses reman'd and re-bored JDM blocks, necessitating a one-over piston. Thus, if you ever need/want to rebuild it, you'll have to either find a new block, or sleeve it.

I'm not saying this is "bad", much less underhanded, it's just something to be aware of. Whenver anyone appears to undercut the market, you simply need to find out why, and then determine if that matters to you.

Absolutely true!

But in our experience not boring and honing and going with a 0.5mm piston can lead to disastrous results when coupled with the tolerances of forged pistons. This is because the Subaru blocks have very loose tolerances coming from the factory. You throw in a 99.5mm piston a lot of times you end up having piston rock / excessive oil consumption. This is why the high revving STI 2.0 blocks are hand-built in Japan. As with a used case, we feel that the pre-heat cycled cases have advantages as opposed to going with a brand new block.

The added benefit is a lower overall cost as opposed to buying a brand new short block from Subaru and junking half the parts in it.

We do offer a $500 discount if you send us your shortlbock (provided it is rebuildable).

The Helix rods are high quality performance rods. Several JDM companies got together and ordered these rods from an OEM rod manufacture thus achieving substantial price breaks. The rods are very high quality, with tighter tolerances than most aftermarket rods made here in the states - not to mention Helix employs the top-of-the-line ARP L19 rod bolts. The cost savings are made through volume not a reduction in quality.

Cheers,

Gary
Gruppe-S

[CrawfordPerformance.com]

Here is a link to our latest press release; http://www.crawfordperformance.com/r...info.cgi?id=36

Enjoy the vid