Stoptech vs Alcon BBK

therealkaisersoze · 03-17-2008, 08:10 AM

I wish there were more direct comparisons between BBKs. If I do upgrade I would probably only consider the 332 stoptech or the 4 piston 340mm Alcon kits(I am going to stay with 17 inch wheels for cost reasons). On price and probable better front bias I would probably select the stoptechs but my tuner is quite high on the Alcons which they use on their time attack car(of course they sell the Alcons so. . .)
I think car and driver did some comparison in the past and the stoptechs came out on top
Anyone out there have any experience with both kits? anything one is superior over the other at-fade resistance, pads etc
Irregardless either would be an upgrade over stock and the differences would probably be small but a difference of about $1k is pretty significant for the Alcons.

ESmooth · 03-17-2008, 08:22 AM

Be sure to keep things like replacement part cost and availability in mind also. With the dollar being as bad as it is, using parts imported from europe will be very costly. Brembo has significantly raised the price of all of their kits and components recently and companies like alcon and AP will have to follow suit as well. All Stoptech parts are warehoused and shipped from within the US so pricing will stay in line with the economy here and be more readily available.

Heres the article you were referring to:

Shedding Light on Fading Brakes - Feature / Features/Classic Cars / High Performance / Hot Lists / Reviews / Car and Driver - Car And Driver

***berdugo*** · 03-17-2008, 08:31 AM

^^ +1

I was trying to buy AP racing before I knew Stoptech, and for the very same reasons ESmooth mentioned above, I decided to buy the stoptech bbk, plus I got the brake pad for the ST-60 caliper I always wanted so I'm really very happy with stoptech bbk.

I'm just waiting for them to release the new rear bbk and I would definitely buy it

Schell · 03-17-2008, 09:32 AM

OR.... you could go with this sweet 332x32 set-up and save yourself a lot of scratch.

FS (Norcal): Brembo Grand Turismo 332x32 BBK

**SWortham** · 03-17-2008, 10:08 AM

I have no direct experience with either but if I were to buy a BBK it'd be StopTech. The way they go about engineering each kit has given them a very good reputation.

ESmooth · 03-17-2008, 10:10 AM

Is the kit you are selling for an STi or a WRX? I its for a WRX, the pistons sizes will likely be way too small to be safely used on an STi. I know that with our kits the difference in torque output between WRX and STi calipers is pretty significant.

Schell · 03-17-2008, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ESmooth

Is the kit you are selling for an STi or a WRX? I its for a WRX, the pistons sizes will likely be way too small to be safely used on an STi. I know that with our kits the difference in torque output between WRX and STi calipers is pretty significant.

It's for a WRX. It has the 7001 pistons, as opposed to the 7008 pistons that the STI uses. Although since he doesn't have his car listed in his profile, I thought it would be worth a shot. Nothing wrong with a little shameless self-promotion

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mEnTaL · 03-17-2008, 06:55 PM

Irregardless isn't a word and a double negative if it was. Regardless is the word you are looking for. And believe me, I've had discussions with coworkers over this.

oh yeah, go with the StopTechs. Can't beat the great engineering and service.

AllWheelDriven · 03-17-2008, 10:40 PM

If your just doing track days get the Stoptechs

I've had Stoptech ST-40s before.
No complaints here.
Stoptech customer service is very good and replacement pads and parts are easy to come by.

It seems like the Alcon system was lighter when I was checking them out but unless your making money off racing it probably isn't worth the extra cash to go with the Alcons for thier weight.

therealkaisersoze · 03-18-2008, 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mEnTaL

Irregardless isn't a word and a double negative if it was. Regardless is the word you are looking for. And believe me, I've had discussions with coworkers over this.

oh yeah, go with the StopTechs. Can't beat the great engineering and service.

This has exactly what to do with my post?
I bet you're the type of individual who consistently feels the need to comment on posters' spelling and grammar on internet forums. I'm sure your co-workers love you.

Rootus · 03-18-2008, 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by therealkaisersoze

This has exactly what to do with my post?
I bet you're the type of individual who consistently feels the need to comment on posters' spelling and grammar on internet forums. I'm sure your co-workers love you.

You know what makes it even better? He's wrong.

I was once told by some knowledgeable individual that a potential downside of Stoptech brakes is that they are designed for a track situation, and may not be well suited for street duty (IIRC it had something to do with having to clean them very often because they were prone to problems from road dirt). That may no longer be true, hell maybe it never was, but IMO it would be worth talking to Stoptech to get an answer to that if you plan to use these brakes on the street much.

ESmooth · 03-18-2008, 06:11 PM

That is not true, the calipers have dust boots to protect the piston seals just like the stock STi calipers and need no special maintainence.

unclemat · 07-03-2008, 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ESmooth

Be sure to keep things like replacement part cost and availability in mind also. With the dollar being as bad as it is, using parts imported from europe will be very costly. Brembo has significantly raised the price of all of their kits and components recently and companies like alcon and AP will have to follow suit as well. All Stoptech parts are warehoused and shipped from within the US so pricing will stay in line with the economy here and be more readily available.

Aren't your Aero rotors made in Italy and thus subject to price hikes due to USD/EUR exchange rate?

Ballz · 07-03-2008, 07:50 PM

I'd say neither and look into Endless Brakes!

mug23 · 07-07-2008, 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ballz

I'd say neither and look into Endless Brakes!

Why Endless??? Can you please give a little more details on why Endless is better? You must be one of those guys that thinks anything JDM stuff is the ****....

Why pay more if you can get Stoptech which is a domestic product and the cost will be much lower and I'm sure Stoptech will perform just as well if not better then Endless? Look at the dollar vs. Yen and you also see why.

Stoptech brakes also balances out the brake bias of the front and rear brake ratio more towards the rear. I have found some number stating what the ratio % on NASIOC where someone did some studies on the Stoptech system but I couldn't find it right now. Anyways, with bit more bias towards the rear brake, you will actually get more consistent braking which will cause less fade and longer pad wear on the fronts and don't forget, shorter braking distance too. This in my book, is a winner...

Also, many race team are now using Stoptech brake systems with much success on Subaru's.

03-17-2008, 08:10 AM	#1
therealkaisersoze Amateur STI Driver Posts: 27 Join Date: Aug 2007 Trader Rating: (0)	Stoptech vs Alcon BBK I wish there were more direct comparisons between BBKs. If I do upgrade I would probably only consider the 332 stoptech or the 4 piston 340mm Alcon kits(I am going to stay with 17 inch wheels for cost reasons). On price and probable better front bias I would probably select the stoptechs but my tuner is quite high on the Alcons which they use on their time attack car(of course they sell the Alcons so. . .) I think car and driver did some comparison in the past and the stoptechs came out on top Anyone out there have any experience with both kits? anything one is superior over the other at-fade resistance, pads etc Irregardless either would be an upgrade over stock and the differences would probably be small but a difference of about $1k is pretty significant for the Alcons. This ad is not endorsed by this member. Please register or login to hide this ad.

03-17-2008, 08:22 AM	#2
ESmooth STI Driver Car: 06 Stage 2 STI Location: Redondo Beach, CA Posts: 264 Join Date: Dec 2006 Trader Rating: (0)	Re: Stoptech vs Alcon BBK Be sure to keep things like replacement part cost and availability in mind also. With the dollar being as bad as it is, using parts imported from europe will be very costly. Brembo has significantly raised the price of all of their kits and components recently and companies like alcon and AP will have to follow suit as well. All Stoptech parts are warehoused and shipped from within the US so pricing will stay in line with the economy here and be more readily available. Heres the article you were referring to: Shedding Light on Fading Brakes - Feature / Features/Classic Cars / High Performance / Hot Lists / Reviews / Car and Driver - Car And Driver Last edited by ESmooth : 03-17-2008 at 08:26 AM.

03-17-2008, 08:31 AM	#3
*berdugo* Platinum Member Car: Silver Euro 07 STi Fav Mod: Modify the law! Remove the speed limits! Location: Philippines Posts: 536 Join Date: Dec 2006 Trader Rating: (0)	Re: Stoptech vs Alcon BBK ^^ +1 I was trying to buy AP racing before I knew Stoptech, and for the very same reasons ESmooth mentioned above, I decided to buy the stoptech bbk, plus I got the brake pad for the ST-60 caliper I always wanted so I'm really very happy with stoptech bbk. I'm just waiting for them to release the new rear bbk and I would definitely buy it

03-17-2008, 09:32 AM	#4
Schell Silver Member Car: 2006 WRX Wagon 6 Spd Fav Mod: Having my car back after 2 months!!! Location: Bay Area Posts: 561 Join Date: Oct 2006 Trader Rating: (4)	Re: Stoptech vs Alcon BBK OR.... you could go with this sweet 332x32 set-up and save yourself a lot of scratch. FS (Norcal): Brembo Grand Turismo 332x32 BBK

03-17-2008, 10:08 AM	#5
SWortham Gold Member Car: 06 Subaru WRX STI Fav Mod: Ohlins struts Location: Mckinney, TX Posts: 757 Join Date: Oct 2006 Trader Rating: (0)	Re: Stoptech vs Alcon BBK I have no direct experience with either but if I were to buy a BBK it'd be StopTech. The way they go about engineering each kit has given them a very good reputation.

03-17-2008, 10:10 AM	#6
ESmooth STI Driver Car: 06 Stage 2 STI Location: Redondo Beach, CA Posts: 264 Join Date: Dec 2006 Trader Rating: (0)	Re: Stoptech vs Alcon BBK Is the kit you are selling for an STi or a WRX? I its for a WRX, the pistons sizes will likely be way too small to be safely used on an STi. I know that with our kits the difference in torque output between WRX and STi calipers is pretty significant.

03-17-2008, 06:55 PM	#8
mEnTaL Grassroots STI Racer Car: 06 WRB STi Fav Mod: moar boost Location: Auburn Hills, MI Posts: 577 Join Date: Dec 2006 Trader Rating: (1)	Re: Stoptech vs Alcon BBK Irregardless isn't a word and a double negative if it was. Regardless is the word you are looking for. And believe me, I've had discussions with coworkers over this. oh yeah, go with the StopTechs. Can't beat the great engineering and service.

03-17-2008, 10:40 PM	#9
AllWheelDriven Junior STI Driver Car: OBP,2005,STi Posts: 69 Join Date: Nov 2006 Trader Rating: (0)	Re: Stoptech vs Alcon BBK If your just doing track days get the Stoptechs I've had Stoptech ST-40s before. No complaints here. Stoptech customer service is very good and replacement pads and parts are easy to come by. It seems like the Alcon system was lighter when I was checking them out but unless your making money off racing it probably isn't worth the extra cash to go with the Alcons for thier weight.

03-18-2008, 06:11 PM	#12
ESmooth STI Driver Car: 06 Stage 2 STI Location: Redondo Beach, CA Posts: 264 Join Date: Dec 2006 Trader Rating: (0)	Re: Stoptech vs Alcon BBK That is not true, the calipers have dust boots to protect the piston seals just like the stock STi calipers and need no special maintainence.

07-03-2008, 07:50 PM	#14
Ballz Lurker Car: WRB 07 STI Location: Paint Booth Posts: 6 Join Date: Oct 2006 Trader Rating: (0)	Re: Stoptech vs Alcon BBK I'd say neither and look into Endless Brakes!