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Old 03-20-17, 10:39 AM   #21
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Default Re: K&N void Warranty

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Who is spreading nonsense? I didn't see anyone in this thread claim it would void your warranty?
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Yes it does
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It won't void your warranty but will void your motor...

I like those filters for my vehicles as well but better to just leave it oem on this car, too risky.
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It may/may not void your warranty.
There's no *void*ing that's going on. It's simply a matter of a claim being denied.

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I am not disagreeing with what you've said, but it might be equally important to note that the consumer would ultimately foot the bill trying to prove that the dealer failed to prove fault. Sure, if you won a lawsuit you should be able make them pay court costs, but what is the likelihood of your lawyer beating their panel?
True, but most instances I've seen never really get that far. Again, it's their responsibility to prove your mods are at fault. It's not your responsibility to prove that they aren't. Yes, it's a battle, but when you know your rights and what the law states, you're at an advantage.

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In other words, what the law says in theory is important, but what happens in practice is also worth knowing. In the event of a denied warranty claim, complaining to SOA or a similar party might get you somewhere etc but if the local/regional Subaru people go against you and the corporate folks do not take your side, you'd spend a lot of money trying to be right. Most people don't want to spend potentially upwards of 10k on a court battle with a large company.
I'm not saying it's right, that it happens often, or anything else other than the fact that it would be an uphill battle to truly fight them over a claim.

Realistically, I don't think most dealers are going to make a big deal over an aftermarket panel filter inside the OEM housing. If you end up bringing your car in under warranty b.c it is running funny, you have an oiled filter, and the thing that seems to fix your car is cleaning the MAF....yeah, you might end up paying for that visit out of pocket. If your motor blew and all you had was a K&N filter, would most dealers try to get out of fixing it? I don't think so, but honestly anything can happen. What you have to realize is it's all up to the court of Subaru. If your car is bone stock it will be tough for them to pin it on you, but the more you deviate from the factory setup, the more fuel they COULD have to try to blame it on something you've done. It doesn't mean they can, it doesn't mean they will even try - but ultimately no matter what we tell you, it is silly to convince yourself there is no risk in doing/installing ____ modification just because other guys seemingly have not encountered a problem with this in the past.
Agreed. There's a lot of semantics in all of that though. My rebuttal focuses on the "does x,y,z void my warranty?" The answer is no. If I modify my intake and my engine pops, yes... the warranty claim for a new engine could possibly be denied. However, if my wheel bearing fails down the road after having installed an intake, the wheel bearing is still covered under warranty. The warranty didn't disappear.

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Old 03-20-17, 10:54 AM   #22
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I was simply joking around. Of course your warranty doesn't get voided but the point most of us were trying to make is any intake change on this motor is risky and in most cases the intake never needs changing to improve flow.
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Old 03-20-17, 11:14 AM   #23
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All true. I think most people have at least some awareness of this fact, they just do not care enough to be precise with their questions or answers.

I think most of these guys are reasonable unless they've just seen large volumes of people trying to get warranty coverage for heavily modified engines or similar situations, and in that case it's hard to blame them for assuming the worst if people have tried to pull the wool over their eyes in countless similar situations.

But yes, the key point with this specific thread is there is almost no point in something like a K&N filter for this particular car. It carries moderate risk with little potential benefit. If you tune for it, you might get some benefit (but overall you're likely better served with downpipe etc), but then you're risking warranty coverage in a much bigger way. If you don't tune for it, you risk running lean, and if the engine pops because of a lean condition encouraged by your K&N filter then the dealer would not be wrong to try to pin that on you.
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Old 03-20-17, 11:30 AM   #24
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Bare in mind for anyone with an extended warranty (beyond manufacture warranty) many of these are Service Contracts in which there typically is a clause indicating any mods will deem the vehicle ineligible. In this instance if you lower you car and a cam sensor goes out, they can legally denying the claim and cancel the contract (depending on state). I am unsure of extra care if they operate a service contract or a warranty. This is something to keep in mind with any vehicle protection plans.

Ultimately it comes down to this: if you plan on modding in any shape or fashion (outside cosmetic), be ready to foot any mechanical bill. If it is a concern of yours, take that extra money and put it towards your loan or any debt. Start modding when you are financially sound for any and all issues that come up. Also remember mods are toys and not necessities.

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Old 03-20-17, 11:52 AM   #25
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Exactly ^ this. A lot of mods are a non-issue overall. But a lot do present some kind of issue, everyone just needs to realize this. No matter how many replies you get saying a certain thing won't harm the car and if it does you will be covered etc etc, that might not be so.
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