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Old 01-11-17, 09:47 AM   #1
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Default Protuned? How often do you see knock? What magnitude?

For comparisons sake, to the gentleman who are protuned. What's your Stage? Power numbers? And most importantly how often do you see knock and what magnitudes do they reach? I'm interested to see if they increase with miles on vehicle, are more frequent with increased power levels etc... I'm also aware of guidelines stated by Cobb and what we consider "ghost" knock or real knock (values and circumstances).

Me: Currently Stage 2 for ~800 miles.
See ghost knock on a daily basis -1.4 and had one occasion of -2.8 during a non-WOT pull that I can not say for certain was actual knock.

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Old 01-11-17, 10:08 AM   #2
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Default Re: Protuned? How often do you see knock? What magnitude?

also, how many miles on your tune.
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Default Re: Protuned? How often do you see knock? What magnitude?

Here is Cobbs recommendations on what constitutes bad knock.

General Guidelines for Monitoring Knock on a Subaru – COBB Support

For me as long as i dont see any knock above 2.0g/rev and it doenst pull more than about 2 Deg of timing then its fine. You mostly just have to be worried about WOT. The knock sensors on the EJ or set so sensitive no matter how perfect the tune is you are going to see something occasionally. Ill usually see a couple of hits on my 30ish min commute to work.

My mods since you asked are pretty much full bolt on+ Dom 1.5 & E85.
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Old 01-11-17, 10:46 AM   #4
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Default Re: Protuned? How often do you see knock? What magnitude?

15 STI, stage 2 installed by Renner in Carson, tuned by Paul at Yimy. 292 whp and 310 wtq.

It gets -1.4 FBK usually until FLK learns it. It got a -2.8 FBK the other day cause I was too lazy to downshift before I stepped hard on the gas (WOT underload) while exiting the freeway.

These turbo cars will knock if you hit the gas hard at below 3000 rpm (or before the turbo spools up) with 3th or higher gear.

It is ok to get -1.4, and occasionally -2.8 knocks. I was getting -4. plus knocks with stage 1 protuned by cobb socal. Expect more knocks during temp above 90 degree. Nothing we can do about it with 91 octane here in Socal.
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Old 01-11-17, 11:12 AM   #5
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Default Re: Protuned? How often do you see knock? What magnitude?

You will always see small amounts of knock correction in the 2015+ platform (both WRX and STi). Subaru revised their knock control strategy for 2015 and made it much more sensitive (which is good). Anything below -3 is fine from our experience. If you are constantly seeing -2.8 under WOT, add some octane to the car and see if it goes away. That will tell you 3 things, poor fuel quality, aggressive tuning or if it is just engine noise.

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Default Re: Protuned? How often do you see knock? What magnitude?

I get small knock everyday. -1.4 & sometimes -2.80 but never under a load. I only have 91ACN gas available to me so knock will always be around. I do add an octane booster sometimes or 100 octane race gas sometimes as well. it makes the car feel smoother and a bit more responsive. I've learned to live with knock now I guess haha.
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Old 01-21-17, 08:21 AM   #7
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Default Re: Protuned? How often do you see knock? What magnitude?

2011 STi sedan currently at stage 2+ or Stage 3 depending on what you go by nowadays. I was pro tuned back in 2013 when the car had 22K on it. Now it sits at 49,700 and still strong. Its been tuned for over 27,000 miles and still running the same as it did when it left the dyno. To be honest, I don't data log often at all. I don't want to buy into the paranoia and let the "ghost knock" get stuck in my head. The only time I would really consider data logging would be if I suspect a serious problem. I'd rather enjoy driving the car worry free. I will say the only time I do monitor knock is when I take long aggressive drives on mountain roads a couple times a summer. On this trips I push the car as if it were at the track. I haven't seen any reported knock from the AP on those trips.

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Default Re: Protuned? How often do you see knock? What magnitude?

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Originally Posted by ScottaSTI View Post
Here is Cobbs recommendations on what constitutes bad knock.

General Guidelines for Monitoring Knock on a Subaru COBB Support

For me as long as i dont see any knock above 2.0g/rev and it doenst pull more than about 2 Deg of timing then its fine. You mostly just have to be worried about WOT. The knock sensors on the EJ or set so sensitive no matter how perfect the tune is you are going to see something occasionally. Ill usually see a couple of hits on my 30ish min commute to work.

My mods since you asked are pretty much full bolt on+ Dom 1.5 & E85.
Listen to this guy. More importantly you should monitor DAM. Also the more modded you are, it should be really important to get an AFR gauge. Tuned properly it really shouldn't change. However if your tuner messes up or cuts corners then you have no way of knowing unless your monitoring.
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Default Re: Protuned? How often do you see knock? What magnitude?

All normal. I see 2.8 and less all the time.
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Default Re: Protuned? How often do you see knock? What magnitude?

I'm tuned on E85 Stg 2+ making 320/390 and I never see any knock. I did however ask for a more conservative tune.
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