Subaru signing there own death warrant

bikola_p · 05-13-2006, 06:59 AM

Hey guys, im a long time browser, newly registered. After seeing some posts on the New Impreza Hatchback, i was disgusted to find:
http://www.mobilemag.com/content/100/354/C7605/
That seems to be a real picture of the car doing test runs. Subaru is so getting it wrong if they release that washing machine on wheels...NOOOO... I can say if this is what happens to Impreza's, Evos are the clear victors in 2008+. So so disappointed.

SoaReS · 05-13-2006, 07:03 AM

If I am not mistaken, it says that they are still going to offer 300hp STi's, so how is Evo is the victorious one of this battle?

But um... Yea that 170hp N/A hatchback is just ghaY!!!!!!

rube23 · 05-13-2006, 07:08 AM

^^cuz that thing is fugly

daviro2 · 05-13-2006, 07:19 AM

there must some advantage to having a smaller car in WRC.....idk....i just hope the production car looks better than that.... that car is really nasty

**nandanrp** · 05-13-2006, 07:44 AM

Well, I better keep my 05 STi running for as long as possible, because now I have no idea what I'll get after this.

WRX8STI · 05-13-2006, 07:48 AM

I remember saying how nasty the STI was before it came out here and I saw it in pics. Now it's not so nasty anymore. The same thing will happen to this car until Subaru actually makes a really good looking car for the first time in it's existence. I'm not gonna hold my breath. They still have a lot of work to do.

GandaTszan · 05-13-2006, 07:52 AM

Okay, I'm going back to the idea of buying a used '05 or '06 if they are still around in 4 years, not that I was going to buy a new one anyway.

Chayse · 05-13-2006, 08:08 AM

Did anybody read that the car pictured is a concept car? The actual car will probably look almost nothing like that. They said the new car would be based on the concept. That probably means the chassis layout and perhaps the silhouette.

BurnsWRC · 05-13-2006, 09:07 AM

The B9 was a concept car too and look what happened.

I dont understand. there is constant talk of the impreza being a golf rival. If they are talking about adding a hatch to the line then its not a bad idea, sorta like what mazda did with the 3. but to go ahead and "throw the sedan out the window"...big mistake. I for one wouldnt buy a hatch. and if we use the WRC scene as a reason to switch to hatch then it might make sense but lets not forget that subaru has a strong showing in the GT scene as well.

TampaSTI · 05-13-2006, 09:12 AM

booSTi561 · 05-13-2006, 09:33 AM

Im so going to buy it...

NOt really. I dont care what Subaru does, because I plan on keeping my STi for a long time.

EricK · 05-13-2006, 02:02 PM

I call BS on Subaru targeting the GTI.In the latest BMI vid with the 06 STI the head of Subaru clearly states they are targeting cars like the M3.Not some overpriced POS,Mexico made,heavy unreliable GTI.It makes no sense.

SDomain · 05-13-2006, 03:18 PM

The from that picture is the CONCEPT B5-TPH (Turbo Parallel Hybrid) It comes with a 2.0 liter boxer 256hp and 252lb*ft torque. Uses a Miller conbustion cycles, which leaves the intake valves partially open at the start of the compression stroke. Which allows the turbo to do some of the compression. This would then leave the car with less torque at low RPMs. To overcome that Subaru added an electric motor between the engine and transmission. The motors delivers maximum torque as soon as they start up so the hybrid system offsets the turbo lag that causes the miller cycle's low-speed sluggishness. The above allows the car to burn 30% less fuel then the current model, without sacrificing performance.

The TPH POWERTRAIN is scheduled to be released in a version of the Legacy for the JDM in 2007.

The above is from the April 2006 Issue of the IEEE Spectrum magazine. I grabbed the highlights from it. If you want more details let me know perhaps I can try to scan it is about half a page or so.

-S

STiSpeed · 05-13-2006, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by TampaSTI

Ok, that is downright sick.

If Subaru comes out with that, I will get one.

bikola_p · 05-13-2006, 06:37 PM

I dont understand why they target VW golf GTi, it will never accomplish what the Impreza has, to start of with, Impreza has rally roots, while the GTi, has some city racer feel. The GTi is cheaper then the STi, so why are they even comparing them, the GTi, is equivilent in price and slower then the WRX base. And must subaru go out of there way each time and make a new design each and evry year because they notice competition has done something they also can do. OK, a Subaru hatch isnt bad, however why dont they just make a whole new badge instead of the Impreza. Something totally different, the impreza has history and victories to its name, now its just gonna be a city hatch from what they seem to be trying to achieve. Its like McDonalds saying we are gonna stop selling burgers, we are targetting Pizza Hut, so Pizza's are all we have on the menu.

05-13-2006, 06:59 AM	#1
bikola_p Amateur STI Driver Posts: 10 Join Date: May 2006 Trader Rating: (0)	Subaru signing there own death warrant Hey guys, im a long time browser, newly registered. After seeing some posts on the New Impreza Hatchback, i was disgusted to find: http://www.mobilemag.com/content/100/354/C7605/ That seems to be a real picture of the car doing test runs. Subaru is so getting it wrong if they release that washing machine on wheels...NOOOO... I can say if this is what happens to Impreza's, Evos are the clear victors in 2008+. So so disappointed. This ad is not endorsed by this member. Please register or login to hide this ad.

05-13-2006, 07:52 AM	#7
GandaTszan Amateur STI Driver Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 39 Join Date: Apr 2006 Trader Rating: (0)	Okay, I'm going back to the idea of buying a used '05 or '06 if they are still around in 4 years, not that I was going to buy a new one anyway. Last edited by GandaTszan : 05-13-2006 at 07:55 AM.

05-13-2006, 06:37 PM	#15
bikola_p Amateur STI Driver Posts: 10 Join Date: May 2006 Trader Rating: (0)	I dont understand why they target VW golf GTi, it will never accomplish what the Impreza has, to start of with, Impreza has rally roots, while the GTi, has some city racer feel. The GTi is cheaper then the STi, so why are they even comparing them, the GTi, is equivilent in price and slower then the WRX base. And must subaru go out of there way each time and make a new design each and evry year because they notice competition has done something they also can do. OK, a Subaru hatch isnt bad, however why dont they just make a whole new badge instead of the Impreza. Something totally different, the impreza has history and victories to its name, now its just gonna be a city hatch from what they seem to be trying to achieve. Its like McDonalds saying we are gonna stop selling burgers, we are targetting Pizza Hut, so Pizza's are all we have on the menu. This ad is not endorsed by this member. Please register or login to hide this ad.

05-13-2006, 07:03 AM	#2
SoaReS S204 Racer Car: 05\|WRB\|STi Fav Mod: Cobb Stage 2 Location: H-Town, NJ Posts: 3,814 Join Date: Aug 2005 Trader Rating: (3)	If I am not mistaken, it says that they are still going to offer 300hp STi's, so how is Evo is the victorious one of this battle? But um... Yea that 170hp N/A hatchback is just ghaY!!!!!!

05-13-2006, 07:08 AM	#3
rube23 HowTo Contributor Car: 06 STi Fav Mod: LED Windshield Washer Nozzles Location: NYC Posts: 352 Join Date: Jul 2005 Trader Rating: (3)	^^cuz that thing is fugly

05-13-2006, 07:19 AM	#4
daviro2 Junior STI Driver Car: 06 WRX TR, 05 GSXR750 Location: Jersey Posts: 123 Join Date: Feb 2006 Trader Rating: (0)	there must some advantage to having a smaller car in WRC.....idk....i just hope the production car looks better than that.... that car is really nasty

05-13-2006, 07:44 AM	#5
nandanrp Indiatr0n in yo IWDPL Car: 05FTW OBP STi Fav Mod: Brum Brum Location: downtown Chicago Posts: 48,830 Join Date: Jun 2004 Trader Rating: (11)	Well, I better keep my 05 STi running for as long as possible, because now I have no idea what I'll get after this.

05-13-2006, 07:48 AM	#6
WRX8STI Grassroots STI Racer Car: 06 Mazdaspeed 6 and 06 S2000 Location: Wherever my music takes me Posts: 581 Join Date: Jan 2005 Trader Rating: (0)	I remember saying how nasty the STI was before it came out here and I saw it in pics. Now it's not so nasty anymore. The same thing will happen to this car until Subaru actually makes a really good looking car for the first time in it's existence. I'm not gonna hold my breath. They still have a lot of work to do.

05-13-2006, 08:08 AM	#8
Chayse STI Driver Car: '08 Aspen White STi Fav Mod: Red Tails Location: SE PA Posts: 237 Join Date: Apr 2005 Trader Rating: (0)	Did anybody read that the car pictured is a concept car? The actual car will probably look almost nothing like that. They said the new car would be *based* on the concept. That probably means the chassis layout and perhaps the silhouette.

05-13-2006, 09:07 AM	#9
BurnsWRC S204 Racer Car: 04 Infiniti G35 Coup Fav Mod: still antifreeze Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 4,935 Join Date: Oct 2005 Trader Rating: (1)	The B9 was a concept car too and look what happened. I dont understand. there is constant talk of the impreza being a golf rival. If they are talking about adding a hatch to the line then its not a bad idea, sorta like what mazda did with the 3. but to go ahead and "throw the sedan out the window"...big mistake. I for one wouldnt buy a hatch. and if we use the WRC scene as a reason to switch to hatch then it might make sense but lets not forget that subaru has a strong showing in the GT scene as well.

05-13-2006, 09:12 AM	#10
TampaSTI Professional STI Racer Car: 05 Subaru WRX STi Location: Tampa Posts: 630 Join Date: Jun 2005 Trader Rating: (0)

05-13-2006, 09:33 AM	#11
booSTi561 Spec C Club Car: 04 PSM STi Fav Mod: Yakima Roof Rack Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 1,591 Join Date: May 2005 Trader Rating: (0)	Im so going to buy it... NOt really. I dont care what Subaru does, because I plan on keeping my STi for a long time.

05-13-2006, 02:02 PM	#12
EricK Senior STI Driver Car: Soon Evo IX RS Location: Madison,WI Posts: 328 Join Date: Sep 2005 Trader Rating: (5)	I call BS on Subaru targeting the GTI.In the latest BMI vid with the 06 STI the head of Subaru clearly states they are targeting cars like the M3.Not some overpriced POS,Mexico made,heavy unreliable GTI.It makes no sense.

05-13-2006, 03:18 PM	#13
SDomain Junior STI Driver Car: 04 WRB WRX Location: Michigan Posts: 67 Join Date: Oct 2005 Trader Rating: (0)	The from that picture is the CONCEPT B5-TPH (Turbo Parallel Hybrid) It comes with a 2.0 liter boxer 256hp and 252lb*ft torque. Uses a Miller conbustion cycles, which leaves the intake valves partially open at the start of the compression stroke. Which allows the turbo to do some of the compression. This would then leave the car with less torque at low RPMs. To overcome that Subaru added an electric motor between the engine and transmission. The motors delivers maximum torque as soon as they start up so the hybrid system offsets the turbo lag that causes the miller cycle's low-speed sluggishness. The above allows the car to burn 30% less fuel then the current model, without sacrificing performance. The TPH POWERTRAIN is scheduled to be released in a version of the Legacy for the JDM in 2007. The above is from the April 2006 Issue of the IEEE Spectrum magazine. I grabbed the highlights from it. If you want more details let me know perhaps I can try to scan it is about half a page or so. -S