Harman Cool Air Intake ?

Giant · 07-22-2008, 11:38 AM

I know a lot of us have purchased the new Harman CAI...they have sold out 3 times!! I want to hear your Pros & Cons,opinions,engine safety issues.

My car runs fine.Are my AF ratios screwed up or am I safe...Harman seems to think so...lets hear it!!

ClutchNY · 07-22-2008, 12:12 PM

"they have sold out 3 times" hahahahahaha

who cares? when you make 10 at a time...theyr gonna sell out quick.

ive got the AMR BMI CAI and i love it

GL4662 · 07-22-2008, 12:18 PM

Make sure you get a tune, and P and L cai is what i have but im sure theyre all pretty comparable.

GhoSStRyda · 07-22-2008, 12:25 PM

^^^ harman claims that you do not need a tune with their cai.

per harman motive's website

Quote:

The Harman Motive Cold-Air Intake for the 2008 WRX and STI was designed to improve horsepower, torque, and response without affecting fuel trims and tuning.

No Tuning Required:

The Harman Motive Cold-Air intake can be used on vehicles with stock ECU, off the shelf tunes (such as Cobb), or custom tuning. It will not throw an Check Engine lights or cause issues with idle, driveability, or air-fuel ratios.

Harman Motive has custom Accessport maps available for all of our products. These are included at no cost if you've purchased a Cobb Accessport from Harman Motive with other Harman performance products. If you already have an Accessport, these are available for $150 and can be emailed directly to you.

Harman Motive Shop

Giant · 07-22-2008, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ClutchNY

"they have sold out 3 times" hahahahahaha

who cares? when you make 10 at a time...theyr gonna sell out quick.

ive got the AMR BMI CAI and i love it

I don't know how you spell Harman CAI in N.Y. But I'm pretty sure it's not AMR BMI CAI.

**Harman Motive** · 07-22-2008, 12:45 PM

We actually make quite a few more than 10 at a time, but as a busy shop, it can get tough to manufacture products while also doing part sales, tuning and installs. Even when we did "sell out", we had more ready to go out in less than a week.

As mentioned above, our intake does not require an special tuning and has been proven to offer worthwhile gains over the stock parts. For most customers going to stage 2 levels and even small stock location turbos, there will be no limitation by using our intake. For larger turbos, the benefits of a larger intake pipe will be beneficial which is why we use a 3" pipe on our 08 time attack car with a rotated/FMIC setup.

paikman · 07-22-2008, 01:29 PM

the only problem i have with Harman is that they charge shipping 18lbs for AEM... which is already $5 more then the 11lbs charged for their own CAI, but my fedex shipping shows 8lbs..means my shipping should be about $10 less then what i was charged.. I would say please update your shipping to charge people the correct amount in the future.

sutter2k · 07-22-2008, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Harman Motive

We actually make quite a few more than 10 at a time, but as a busy shop, it can get tough to manufacture products while also doing part sales, tuning and installs. Even when we did "sell out", we had more ready to go out in less than a week.

As mentioned above, our intake does not require an special tuning and has been proven to offer worthwhile gains over the stock parts. For most customers going to stage 2 levels and even small stock location turbos, there will be no limitation by using our intake. For larger turbos, the benefits of a larger intake pipe will be beneficial which is why we use a 3" pipe on our 08 time attack car with a rotated/FMIC setup.

^^ where do you define larger turbo?

say greater than 20g?? or bigger than that?

**Harman Motive** · 07-22-2008, 01:40 PM

Exactly, 20G and SR40 are still sized well for our intake. Larger than that and you should be considering something larger.

ClutchNY · 07-22-2008, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Giant

I don't know how you spell Harman CAI in N.Y. But I'm pretty sure it's not AMR BMI CAI.

i dont really find that funny??

i was just letting everyone know wat intake i have incase they want to compare

dakine01 · 07-22-2008, 04:54 PM

i had the harman CAI and a harman protune a few weeks ago, i love it.

GhoSStRyda · 07-22-2008, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by dakine01

i had the harman CAI and a harman protune a few weeks ago, i love it.

can we see the dynochart? please

bklynpanman · 07-22-2008, 09:28 PM

Search. We discussed the harman CAI and my issue with the a/f. The intake raised it over a point. To almost 12:1 at wot. Dan harman had to send me a map adding more fuel. Be careful guys!!! Don't assume everything is fine. Side note. I'm running the harman tbe. Aem wideband to monitor my a/f

dakine01 · 07-23-2008, 08:32 AM

I tried scanning the chart last night, but the lines are really light and my POS scanner isn't picking them up well, I'll see if there's anything else I can do.

**Digitalfiend** · 07-23-2008, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by bklynpanman

Search. We discussed the harman CAI and my issue with the a/f. The intake raised it over a point. To almost 12:1 at wot. Dan harman had to send me a map adding more fuel. Be careful guys!!! Don't assume everything is fine. Side note. I'm running the harman tbe. Aem wideband to monitor my a/f

I think it is very important that people understand this. I can see a CAI with the same ID as the stock unit being safe for stock vehicles but I'd be weary of using it on a car that has been tuned and leaned out a bit.

Dan, have you posted a dynoplot showing the before and after AFR? I'm certainly not questioning your experience but I don't quite understand how a stock-sized CAI can consistently produce more power without tuning and without leaning up the AFR.

07-22-2008, 11:38 AM	#1
Giant Junior STI Driver Car: Silver 08 WRX STi Fav Mod: Mud Flaps/CAI,DP,Pro Tune Location: Eastern Sierra,Ca Posts: 115 Join Date: Mar 2008 Trader Rating: (0)	Harman Cool Air Intake ? I know a lot of us have purchased the new Harman CAI...they have sold out 3 times!! I want to hear your Pros & Cons,opinions,engine safety issues. My car runs fine.Are my AF ratios screwed up or am I safe...Harman seems to think so...lets hear it!! This ad is not endorsed by this member. Please register or login to hide this ad.

07-22-2008, 12:12 PM	#2
ClutchNY Junior STI Driver Car: SparkSilver 08 STi Fav Mod: APv2 Location: EvErYwHeRe Posts: 86 Join Date: Jan 2008 Trader Rating: (0)	Re: Harman Cool Air Intake ? "they have sold out 3 times" hahahahahaha who cares? when you make 10 at a time...theyr gonna sell out quick. ive got the AMR BMI CAI and i love it

07-22-2008, 12:18 PM	#3
GL4662 STI Driver Posts: 291 Join Date: Sep 2006 Trader Rating: (0)	Re: Harman Cool Air Intake ? Make sure you get a tune, and P and L cai is what i have but im sure theyre all pretty comparable.

07-22-2008, 12:45 PM	#6
Harman Motive Authorized Vendor Car: 08 STi Fav Mod: Harman Motive Protune! Location: Torrance, CA Posts: 470 Join Date: Dec 2005 Trader Rating: (3)	Re: Harman Cool Air Intake ? We actually make quite a few more than 10 at a time, but as a busy shop, it can get tough to manufacture products while also doing part sales, tuning and installs. Even when we did "sell out", we had more ready to go out in less than a week. As mentioned above, our intake does not require an special tuning and has been proven to offer worthwhile gains over the stock parts. For most customers going to stage 2 levels and even small stock location turbos, there will be no limitation by using our intake. For larger turbos, the benefits of a larger intake pipe will be beneficial which is why we use a 3" pipe on our 08 time attack car with a rotated/FMIC setup.

07-22-2008, 01:29 PM	#7
paikman Silver Member Car: 2008 OBP STi Fav Mod: Advan RS 18x9. TurboXS downpipe. Location: VA Posts: 686 Join Date: Jan 2008 Trader Rating: (0)	Re: Harman Cool Air Intake ? the only problem i have with Harman is that they charge shipping 18lbs for AEM... which is already $5 more then the 11lbs charged for their own CAI, but my fedex shipping shows 8lbs..means my shipping should be about $10 less then what i was charged.. I would say please update your shipping to charge people the correct amount in the future.

07-22-2008, 01:40 PM	#9
Harman Motive Authorized Vendor Car: 08 STi Fav Mod: Harman Motive Protune! Location: Torrance, CA Posts: 470 Join Date: Dec 2005 Trader Rating: (3)	Re: Harman Cool Air Intake ? Exactly, 20G and SR40 are still sized well for our intake. Larger than that and you should be considering something larger.

07-22-2008, 04:54 PM	#11
dakine01 Junior STI Driver Car: Blue 08 WRX STi Fav Mod: HarmanMotive TBE Location: OC Posts: 82 Join Date: Mar 2008 Trader Rating: (0)	Re: Harman Cool Air Intake ? i had the harman CAI and a harman protune a few weeks ago, i love it.

07-22-2008, 09:28 PM	#13
bklynpanman STI Driver Car: 08 STI WHITE ! ! ! Fav Mod: Coming Soon Location: NJ Posts: 202 Join Date: Dec 2007 Trader Rating: (0)	Re: Harman Cool Air Intake ? Search. We discussed the harman CAI and my issue with the a/f. The intake raised it over a point. To almost 12:1 at wot. Dan harman had to send me a map adding more fuel. Be careful guys!!! Don't assume everything is fine. Side note. I'm running the harman tbe. Aem wideband to monitor my a/f

07-23-2008, 08:32 AM	#14
dakine01 Junior STI Driver Car: Blue 08 WRX STi Fav Mod: HarmanMotive TBE Location: OC Posts: 82 Join Date: Mar 2008 Trader Rating: (0)	Re: Harman Cool Air Intake ? I tried scanning the chart last night, but the lines are really light and my POS scanner isn't picking them up well, I'll see if there's anything else I can do.