[fry_ed]

hshdc04, do it.
quixoticpleiades, don't do iiiiiiiiittt

this is based on each of your apparent priorities in a dd

[blindfold]

To the OP, if you are looking for more comfort, I suppose you can't go wrong wit ha new "polished", "refined" watered down version of STi. However I just can't see anying taking a new 08 and go to rally with it...


I sat in the 08 and was disappointed about the seats ...

[Brand]

Originally Posted by blindfold

To the OP, if you are looking for more comfort, I suppose you can't go wrong wit ha new "polished", "refined" watered down version of STi. However I just can't see anying taking a new 08 and go to rally with it...


I sat in the 08 and was disappointed about the seats ...

You're a moron.

[blindfold]

Originally Posted by Brand

You're a moron.

thank you for your opinion

[Brand]

Originally Posted by blindfold

thank you for your opinion

Sure thing. Until you 1) drive the car and 2) do some research, please keep yours to yourself. The most significant changes in the 08 are directly intended to make it better on the rally track, it's the whole reason they went to the hatch.

[blindfold]

Originally Posted by Brand

Sure thing. Until you 1) drive the car and 2) do some research, please keep yours to yourself. The most significant changes in the 08 are directly intended to make it better on the rally track, it's the whole reason they went to the hatch.

Until you come to the point of stop assuming things you need to keep your thoughts to yourself first, we'll see about who is the moron here shortly.

Until I see proof of your 08 is any way similar to the real WRC car besides the shell, you need to do more research. You can dream about your 08 being similar to Solberg's but you can only live it through your fantasy. 08 Subaru WRC is better than 04 WRC STi is a fact due to longer wheel base and shorter overhang, but the average consumer cars...not to so much. Plus I seriously doubt anyone is going to take a new car to rally.

Lastly, nowhere in my posts have i implied that 04s are better for rally, so thank you for taking this on like a 08 hero that you are.

[Brand]

Originally Posted by blindfold

Until you come to the point of stop assuming things you need to keep your thoughts to yourself first, we'll see about who is the moron here shortly.

Until I see proof of your 08 is any way similar to the real WRC car besides the shell, you need to do more research. You can dream about your 08 being similar to Solberg's but you can only live it through your fantasy. 08 Subaru WRC is better than 04 WRC STi is a fact due to longer wheel base and shorter overhang, but the average consumer cars...not to so much. Plus I seriously doubt anyone is going to take a new car to rally.

Lastly, nowhere in my posts have i implied that 04s are better for rally, so thank you for taking this on like a 08 hero that you are.

You've very effectively squashed arguments I haven't made, nice work. I never said the 08 is a WRC rally car, but the chassis is the same (look up the WRC rules), therefore the long wheelbase and short overhang will in fact improve things, and it will have the potential to beat an 04 around a track. And you are wrong about rallying, I'm taking mine up to a local course in the next two weeks.

And if you weren't implying that the previous model years were better, what exactly do you mean by "watered-down"? And how can you even make that statement without actually driving the car?

[blindfold]

"water-down" is the general consensus of 08 compared to 04 or mostly GDB, it is not necessarily a negative trait as you are taken it but a more refined feel as most have put it. Have you driven a 04?

I am not wrong, you are just an exception to rallying a new car. Tell me something new about 08s I do not know about since you've driven and supposedly done your research. I have noted about the wheel base and overhang so show some other argumentts if you will. Potential is that, possibility of being better, until proven on the track I will withhold my opinion until then.


To the OP, I apologize for cluttering your thread but mostly I would say keep the 04 until you get a definite test drive of the 08.

[Brand]

Originally Posted by blindfold

"water-down" is the general consensus of 08 compared to 04 or mostly GDB, it is not necessarily a negative trait as you are taken it but a more refined feel as most have put it. Have you driven a 04?

Sorry but that's bull. There's no way to mean "watered-down" other than "less potent", which is a very different description than refined, and is obviously a negative thing. Don't use loaded phrases if you don't mean them.

I've not driven an 04, I've driven an 06 but I can't compare them because the 06 was not stock.

As far as waiting for track numbers... well, just go do some reading, I'd suggest starting in the power bragging forum. A stage 1 08 trapped 108, and AMR's stage 2 trapped 115 on race fuel with a crappy launch. Find me a previous model STI that has done that much with so little modding. The dual AVCS brings peak torque on about 500 rpms sooner.

[quixoticpleiades]

Originally Posted by Brand

Old AWD BMWs had the designation IX, the new ones are XI.

Thanks for clearing that up. I was not aware of that.

Originally Posted by EricGregory

A bit more composed, probably, a bit more "polished," definitely... Of the faster vehicles I've owned…I'd hardly use the term "luxury" to describe the interior. "Refined," yes. More thought out, yes. The tactile feel...what your priorities are…. I'm sitting inside of a shoe box.

Just my $0.02

"polished" – see clay bar. Jk. What other vehicles do you have? It is a lot more refined than the 04, I would even say than the 05 up – which if I recall in my haze of hindsight was a joint effort done with the good old boys at Saab. The 04 interior was just this slop heap pushover with a new steering wheel, gauge cluster, terrible seats, and some blue carpet and door card inserts aaaaall FTMFL. They could have at least given us the black interior back then. My priorities are pretty much complete if I make the purchase. I said it earlier, but everything I would have done to my car has pretty much in some odd way or another manifested itself on this model. I get the whole go kart speed with sports…um, hatch comfort, but you lost me at the shoe box, never been there before. One day I will own an Ariel Atom, but with an EJ. That would be sick.

And every one keep those $0.02 coming… soon I am going to have two fite’.

Originally Posted by GotSTI?

whereas the red EVO X is gorgeous. Good luck though with avoiding getting pulled over bi-weekly.

Got a pic of the Evo's red compared against the sti's? And what you talking’ bout Willis, you must not have read earlier…

Originally Posted by quixoticpleiades

The F&F radar is too late. I’m planning on purchasing a red one, and then WRC it out, so I don’t know about all that, I am going to need a F&F laser jammer before I get any breaks on that.

Any one have vanity plates? I wouldn’t mind DGAF, that or 51/50… but I don’t think theyeven have a slash available. Might have to get a vanity now that I’m thinking about it. Let me roast on it and ill see what comes up.

Originally Posted by fry_ed

quixoticpleiades, don't do iiiiiiiiittt….this is based on each of your apparent priorities

I’m thinking a clean slate would be a first. My current car has taken a beating and a half; I think its time to know when to fold. Don’t get me wrong, I would love to keep Clarity and go the same direction I intended, but I think due the mitigating circumstances, it would be best to trade in.

Originally Posted by blindfold

To the OP, if you are looking for more comfort… However I just can't see anying taking a new 08 and go to rally with it...

I seemed to be even more unsupported in the seats being a skinny fool. There is always aftermarket or going baller and getting the 204 seat, or better yet, seen the Gr. N Recaro buckets. And I agree about the new 08 and rallying it. It’s not like that is the first thing I am going to do if I get one, maybe. In time, and all with patience my friend. It took me a long time to get Clarity off road, but after I saw the reality of how I have literally THREE different cars in one, I never went back. I have a feeling it will be the same for the new STi. Oh yeah, what’s an OP. Other Person. Older Pupil. Oncologist Practitioner. Just my guess, Original Poster?


[quote=blindfold;1852983]Until I see proof of your 08 is any way similar to the real WRC car besides the shell, you need to do more research….. due to longer wheel base and shorter overhang... Plus I seriously doubt anyone is going to take a new car to rally.QUOTE]
What?!?!?! A man can’t dream?!?!? Lolz. And that’s the other thing, I’m not trying to have my car be like Solberg’s. I don’t need it to be. I’m going to have my car like how I want it. Behold the free world trade and capitalist societies, as well as the information age. I can only do some much research in a 24 hour day.

I only got on this some 6 days ago, so again patience will be necessary. The info and parts are out there, as I will soon display. Further more, a serious doubt and a permanent assurance are two entirely different things. The later will be done with time for those who scoff in the face of serious doubt. I'm not a hater but i scoff a lot. It made me the man I am today.

Originally Posted by Brand

directly intended to make it better on the rally track, it's the whole reason they went to the hatch.

And it seemed to work, the Gr. N won 1st podium in its inaugural competition, I read the article some where on STi news site. So I have a test drive lined up, finally found a dealership worthy of business, and have reformed into an information whore. This IS and addiction.:

Originally Posted by Brand

the chassis is the same (look up the WRC rules), therefore the long wheelbase and short overhang will in fact improve things, and it will have the potential to beat an 04 around a track. I'm taking mine up to a local course in the next two weeks.

Potential, there it is. Anything has potential. There was this one kid Robbie I used to kick it with back in Riverside who had the only car I have ever seen PERSONALLY pop up on two wheels. It was this ’75 Super Beetle done TTT. Most amazing thing I have ever seen with a clutch at that age, mounted on the shifter, because of a sequential dog box. Wish I knew how it worked now, I should have paid attention to detail then. My loss.

Anyways your going to have to post some pics up.

Originally Posted by blindfold

"water-down" is the general consensus of 08 compared to 04 or mostly GDB, it is not necessarily a negative trait as you are taken it but a more refined feel as most have put it. Have you driven a 04? To the OP, I apologize for cluttering your thread but mostly I would say keep the 04 until you get a definite test drive of the 08.

That’s what im getting out of me searches. A lot of broken hearts and such. But I have thought about it a lot, and I think it is about time for me to change the image a bit. Im about to start graduate school, and I some what like the refinement. By the time I am in practice, I will be able to go TTT for sure, yaddidahmean?

Originally Posted by blindfold

I am not wrong, you are just an exception to rallying a new car... Potential is that, possibility of being better, until proven on the track I will withhold my opinion until then.

I don’t have the time now, but ill post the links to the HyperMeet as well as the Best Motoring (I believe) Comparison tests. The new Jspec STi is hella faster than the others. By a good 3 seconds at Tsukuba 5 lap.

Originally Posted by blindfold

To the OP, I apologize for cluttering your thread…… but mostly I would say keep the 04 until you get a definite test drive of the 08.

No stress, there is always going to be a little beef between bros. Yeah, I just talked to a guy that set me up tomorrow afternoon for the test drive and trade negotiations.

Originally Posted by Brand

A stage 1 08 trapped 108, and AMR's stage 2 trapped 115 on race fuel with a crappy launch. The dual AVCS brings peak torque on about 500 rpms sooner.

That’s good information, good to know. Thank you.

Originally Posted by Brand

You're a moron.

FIGHT! FIGHT!FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!
Frickin’ hit him already maaaan!!! What is this argument even about? And directed to whom? Lets just let bygones be bygones.

back to topic.


Conclusion
The new STi could be like a Bigmac, from sight… I’m lovin’ it… but by taste, only mildly impressed. So when I get drunk off the thoughts of what I NEED to do to even be reliable again, and what I COULD have the potential to do, of course it all tastes pretty damn good, but you know your regretting it the next morning, and you’ll probably end up having issues getting it out of your system .
All will be told tomorrow. Kind of nervous. It feels like I’m dumping the woman I love or something, some affair I have been keeping secret, and am getting a divorce. I have had this car longer than any other serious material possession. Except that fleshlight. Aaaaah yes, the good ol’ fleshlight...

[paikman]

I'm pretty sure you won't have any regret.
I can understand people having some hate on the styling of the 08's thats fine. But it doesn't lack any performance of the older models.
I think the GD* people should think back to how a lot of the GC8 community probably was when the bug eye first came out. I remember a lot of people freaked out saying the design was too soft
for a Subaru. In hindsight they look pretty silly now right?


In regards to performance, it's pretty much the same on paper if you're going by magazine-review fighting on the numbers, regarded way better in what's already been achieved and potential by the aftermarket tuners, and it's a lot more comfortable to boot. As long as you yourself, like the styling, i don't think you'll have any regrets.
I'm coming from an Evo IX which completely and utterly destroys even a couple of the full mod GT35R 04-07 STi's on pump gas on the stock turbine, in both drag racing acceleration and handling, and
I have no regrets.

[PunksSTi]

I had an 04 STi for two years and absolutely loved it. I just got my 08 after living with an 05 Legacy GT (5EAT) for the last three years. I also loved the Legacy but couldn't quite get the STi out of my blood. The 04 STi just finally wore me down with it's harshness (yep I'm old!). I got tired of driving the car a hundred miles and feeling like I had been driving all day. I never even considered the 08 STi until I started reading various articles about the ride being much improved. At first my dealer said no test drives but since I took a hard line and have bought several Subarus from them they finally anted up and let me drive the spark silver car I now own. The 08 is indeed more comfortable and civilized but has every bit of the capability of the old car and probably more. No regrets here! Go for it! And insist on a test drive!

Good luck in your decision.

Punk

[quixoticpleiades]

picked up the car last night. alot of haggling, but othe wise....this car is fckukin amazing!!! the damn camera was out of flash space so when i figure out how to ge pics form my phone onto the computer i will be sure to post pics of the purchase last night.

[paikman]

Originally Posted by quixoticpleiades

picked up the car last night. alot of haggling, but othe wise....this car is fckukin amazing!!!

See, told u there'd be no regret..now imagine when u get the stage 1 map on there

[minotek]

I just traded my '06 for an '08. Although I miss that raw nature of the older model, it was time for me to get away from the street racer image. I just turned 34 and I needed something a little more grown up. The '08 just has more useable power too.