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Old 04-13-2008, 01:34 PM   #31
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For DD go with the STI if you don't mind the new look. However if performance is your thing, the new EVO is better in every way.


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Old 04-13-2008, 02:57 PM   #32
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For DD go with the STI if you don't mind the new look. However if performance is your thing, the new EVO is better in every way.
Huh? Is there some really narrow definition of performance that I am not aware of? I know, I bet I can find the definition on EvoM ... ah yes here it is...

performance: anything the evo does that the sti does not do better
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Old 04-13-2008, 03:00 PM   #33
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Huh? Is there some really narrow definition of performance that I am not aware of? I know, I bet I can find the definition on EvoM ... ah yes here it is...

performance: anything the evo does that the sti does not do better
ie turn and accelerate.
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Old 04-13-2008, 03:12 PM   #34
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ie turn and accelerate.
umm.. lol? have you not seen the STI edge out the Evo on Best Motoring? If you've got real-world data then go ahead and prove me wrong, otherwise stop trying to start **** in the 08 forums.
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Old 04-13-2008, 03:13 PM   #35
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ie turn and accelerate.
How about just turn? I have read --nothing-- that says the Evo beats the STi in acceleration. Please provide references. Thank you.
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umm.. lol? have you not seen the STI edge out the Evo on Best Motoring? If you've got real-world data then go ahead and prove me wrong, otherwise stop trying to start **** in the 08 forums.
Not trying to start **** just pointing out to the OP that the Evo is a better performer and he should keep that in mind when making his decision. This was something I had to consider when cross shopping the IX with my 06 STI too but I still bought the Suby and don't regret it one bit.

Real world data? Check out just about any comparison other than the one by best motoring. Or prove it to yourself by taking an X out for a drive.
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Old 04-13-2008, 03:22 PM   #37
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OK. I have read a ton and they say the Evo X wins in handling, but the STi stomps in power/acceleration. I just want you to state a single reference that says the EVO wins in acceleration.


FROM: Comparison Test: Mitsubishi Evo GSR vs. Mitsubishi Evo MR vs. 2008 Subaru WRX STI

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The advantage the Subaru WRX STI has on paper materializes at the drag strip with a lunge to 60 mph in just 4.5 seconds. Its best quarter-mile result of 13.3 seconds at 100.3 mph eclipses the next quickest car in this test — the Mitsubishi Evo GSR — by a full 0.3 second.

Rapidity of this degree owes much to the STI's ability to blast away from a standstill like a howitzer shell. The Subaru simply launches harder and quicker than either of the Mitsubishis, and then maintains this gap all the way to the end of the 1320. Note, however, that the STI's trap speed is 2 mph slower than when we last tested this car, more ammunition for the notion that the output of Subaru's boosted boxer is highly sensitive to variations in fuel quality.

The Mitsubishi Evo GSR requires a bit of finesse at the launch to avoid bogging down or, conversely, boiling the clutch into a putrid haze. In the end, it covers 60 mph in 4.9 seconds and the quarter-mile in 13.6 seconds at 101.3 mph.

And where's the Mitsubishi Evo MR during all of this? A few tenths behind the others. Preliminary estimates indicate the Evo MR runs to 60 mph in 5.2 seconds and through the quarter at 13.9 seconds at 98.8 mph, but this car did not yet have the final production calibration governing interaction between the twin-clutch gearbox and engine, so
we think future tests might improve the MR's trap speed, especially as this car exhibited some grumpiness as the engine approached redline.
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Old 04-13-2008, 03:24 PM   #38
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Not trying to start **** just pointing out to the OP that the Evo is a better performer and he should keep that in mind when making his decision. This was something I had to consider when cross shopping the IX with my 06 STI too but I still bought the Suby and don't regret it one bit.

Real world data? Check out just about any comparison other than the one by best motoring. Or prove it to yourself by taking an X out for a drive.
I appreciate trying to shop the best car. The drivers on Best Motoring are top notch. The Tsukuba laptimes are one second faster for the STI as well: EVO X vs STI - Tsukuba Lap Times - Autoblog. Understanding that both cars come with stupid tunes from the factory, I believe it is still to early to tell which car is better. I'm open to hear all input, but if you're gonna make a statement of fact you better provide some citations, otherwise you're just a troll.
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For DD go with the STI if you don't mind the new look. However if performance is your thing, the new EVO is better in every way.
If you think the fraction of a second in magazine tests means you are going to be a faster driver if you buy an Evo, you have been scammed by EvoM . You can believe that, and I will take my experience on the track and use it to wipe the road with you .
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This was something I had to consider when cross shopping the IX with my 06 STI too but I still bought the Suby and don't regret it one bit.
The funniest thing about that is that you could make a far more compelling argument that the IX outperforms the 06 STI than you can the X versus the '08 STI. If you base your decision on magazine testing, the Evo always wins. Usually by the tiniest of margins, but it wins. I kinda feel sorry for the people who fall into that particular trap, however. Not real sorry, understand, but kinda .

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Old 04-13-2008, 03:58 PM   #41
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Default Re: Considering going to the dark side.

I like this quote:
I have a new one for you guys...don't laugh too hard - evolutionm.net

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I have been very pleased with this car, and I have been a very loyal EVO owner. I have 2 in my garage and my next door neighbor purchased one so that we could enjoy them together. My dealer has treated me very well over the years, and I have responded by coming in to purchase cars at full price. My car was dropped off last night after hours and this morning the service manager called me and said that they sent photos to Tech at Mitsubishi and they are reviewing it. I was also told that they have some kind of information that I was racing the car and that they would be voiding my warranty altogether. I was at the dealer 10 minutes later to resolve that issue. My warranty is in tact. That was some sort of threat.
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Mitsubishi has refused to warranty the pedal, but after further conversation with my dealer, they are going to take care of it themselves.
Great warranty there. How the hell is that NOT a warranty issue?!!
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Old 04-13-2008, 04:00 PM   #42
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As for the stop sale on the 2.5L, even though it has me worried, I've been getting progessively harder and harder on my car and even with MORE boost going through the engine (AP stage 1), I haven't had any problems (knock on wood). I also have a relatively new car that was ordered from Japan instead of bought off the lot (they didn't have any on the lot anyhow lol). Build date Feb-08.
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The funniest thing about that is that you could make a far more compelling argument that the IX outperforms the 06 STI and you can the X versus the '08 STI. If you base your decision on magazine testing, the Evo always wins. Usually by the tiniest of margins, but it wins. I kinda feel sorry for the people who fall into that particular trap, however. Not real sorry, understand, but kinda .
How true that is...
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Old 04-13-2008, 04:09 PM   #44
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I dig this vid all the way down to china!

YouTube - New STI vs New EVO X & Old STI vs Old EVO IX Drag and Slalom

I know it has been posted before, but in this first vid I know the STI won even tho if it launched another 500 rpm higer it would have been faster yet. The evo had very slow shifts., but a good launch.

The 08 STI vs the X in the 1/4 mile was awsome! Another 500 revs at launch would be even better I think. It also had very fast shifts. The evo runs what people are hitting at the drags in the U.S. with 13.4"s. I knew that with a 4.9-1 diff and a good driver these number's were realistic.

I thought the SST would be 1-3th's faster than the GSR i hte 1/4 mile, but was very suprised to see it slower.

On the first slolm test they both had great launches. It's fairly even till the STI over shot at the end. The evo X driver is over confident and almost loses it. I thought it would win this.

In the last test the STI made it look too easy. If you could run each of the STI years next to eachother in this same compairson vid I would pay good money to see that. Try to picture the 04 STi vs the 08. Aside from not running a road cours I liked how fair and equil test this was. This is the best compairo of the 2.0 STI vs 2.0 evo X. So no complaining that the usdm has an advantage of the 2.5 vs 2.0
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Old 04-13-2008, 04:43 PM   #45
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lol...that pedal thing is just too funny...no human should be able to shear a (non-faulty) pedal like that... the fact that it wasn't covered under warranty is just egregious.


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