2008 STI vs. 2008 Mazdaspeed3 - Page 10

upncummr · 07-16-2008, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Rum

The formula also does not take feature content into cnsideration. If you take, for example, a base STI, it will still give you the same exact performance numbers, but the as-tested price would be $3800 less. The EEFF would then come out to 99.68.

Drop the braking distance to the 106 that Edmunds tested, and boom, all of a sudden it's 103.30. I know, not fair to mix R&T and Edmunds numnbers, I'm just messing with it for fun.

This is still kind of a neat formula, as long as one understands how to interpret the results.

I agree. I think it's a neat formula.

You can also change the formula to give a lower weighting to Price if you think it shouldn't be such a big factor.

Similarly, you can change the weighting of fuel economy, etc. to reflect your personal automotive values.

Does it answer the question of whether an MS3 is 90% of an STi? Seems to me the answer is "at least 90% if you factor in the costs".

Gary

WRXGuyInUSA · 07-16-2008, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by upncummr

I agree. I think it's a neat formula.

You can also change the formula to give a lower weighting to Price if you think it shouldn't be such a big factor.

Similarly, you can change the weighting of fuel economy, etc. to reflect your personal automotive values.

Does it answer the question of whether an MS3 is 90% of an STi? Seems to me the answer is "at least 90% if you factor in the costs".

Gary

Well, that would also say that the STI is 90% of an M3... which it ISN'T...

upncummr · 07-16-2008, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by WRXGuyInUSA

Well, that would also say that the STI is 90% of an M3... which it ISN'T...

But maybe it is! (At least according to this analysis.)

Gary

WRXGuyInUSA · 07-16-2008, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by upncummr

But maybe it is!

Gary

I love my STI as much as the next guy... but I'm not delusional...

Boxer4Bullet · 07-16-2008, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by upncummr

But maybe it is! (At least according to this analysis.)

Gary

im gonna sell trade sti now for an ms3. bye guys.

WRXGuyInUSA · 07-16-2008, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by vunguyen

im gonna sell trade sti now for an ms3. bye guys.

Hell, with the same testing method, the SRT-4 would be the winner with the ULTRA low price tag...

upncummr · 07-16-2008, 12:25 PM

Here's an excerpt from the Road & Track web page where they explain the formula.

As you can see, E2F2 rewards Goodness in the automotive aspects we hold dear, acceleration, braking and handling, together with equally relevant matters of price and fuel economy. Note, it omits intangibles such as prestige, feel-good or what Henry N. Manney III used to call "crumpet-collecting." Rather, it takes data straight from our Road Test Summary and weights them to have, more or less, equal influence.

You could always modify the formula by adding an element for "prestige" or "feel good". I'm sure those are elements that are important to a lot of us. I just don't know how to quantify it for the group at large.

By the way, I've been dusted on the track by a modified SRT-4. It was well-driven and beautifully maintained. Actually it was quite a car.

Gary

WRXGuyInUSA · 07-16-2008, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by upncummr

Here's an excerpt from the Road & Track web page where they explain the formula.

As you can see, E2F2 rewards Goodness in the automotive aspects we hold dear, acceleration, braking and handling, together with equally relevant matters of price and fuel economy. Note, it omits intangibles such as prestige, feel-good or what Henry N. Manney III used to call "crumpet-collecting." Rather, it takes data straight from our Road Test Summary and weights them to have, more or less, equal influence.

You could always modify the formula by adding an element for "prestige" or "feel good". I'm sure those are elements that are important to a lot of us. I just don't know how to quantify it for the group at large.

By the way, I've been dusted on the track by a modified SRT-4. It was well-driven and beautifully maintained. Actually it was quite a car.

Gary

Do they take into account overall quality, inside and out?

Boxer4Bullet · 07-16-2008, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by upncummr

Here's an excerpt from the Road & Track web page where they explain the formula.

As you can see, E2F2 rewards Goodness in the automotive aspects we hold dear, acceleration, braking and handling, together with equally relevant matters of price and fuel economy. Note, it omits intangibles such as prestige, feel-good or what Henry N. Manney III used to call "crumpet-collecting." Rather, it takes data straight from our Road Test Summary and weights them to have, more or less, equal influence.

You could always modify the formula by adding an element for "prestige" or "feel good". I'm sure those are elements that are important to a lot of us. I just don't know how to quantify it for the group at large.

By the way, I've been dusted on the track by a modified SRT-4. It was well-driven and beautifully maintained. Actually it was quite a car.

Gary

i have to admit, although, IMO, the STi is in a totally different class than the Mazdaspeed 3, i do think the MS3 is one hell of a deal.

WRXGuyInUSA · 07-16-2008, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by vunguyen

i have to admit, although, IMO, the STi is in a totally different class than the Mazdaspeed 3, i do think the MS3 is one hell of a deal.

Absolutely.

upncummr · 07-16-2008, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by WRXGuyInUSA

Do they take into account overall quality, inside and out?

No, I believe that was excluded as part of "prestige, feel good and/or crumpet collecting" in their explanation.

I suspect assessing quality inside and out would be too extensive of an undertaking and too subjective for the magazine.

Gary

Boxer4Bullet · 07-16-2008, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by WRXGuyInUSA

Absolutely.

but i will never buy one

WRXGuyInUSA · 07-16-2008, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by upncummr

No, I believe that was excluded as part of "prestige, feel good and/or crumpet collecting" in their explanation.

I suspect assessing quality inside and out would be too extensive of an undertaking and too subjective for the magazine.

Gary

Subjective? Not entirely...

SRT-4 vs. ANYTHING else... clear winner.

08 STI HATCH · 07-16-2008, 12:46 PM

Well if i were you guys i would be looking at the new COBALT SS turbo couse from i have read here that will be the best one. Dont forget that subaru lasts for a very long time and not like the SRT4 which road and track said that is the best value forthe money they were and still are horrible. I dont know if you guys have noticed but R&T has their favorite cars Did you read the artical about the M3-GTR-PORCHE and match it with the previous ones LEXUS ISF- MERCEDES C63 AMG and you have the M3 the best car in world
R&T blows. Me myself love the STI and that is all i need to know.

Boxer4Bullet · 07-16-2008, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by 08 STI HATCH

Well if i were you guys i would be looking at the new COBALT SS turbo couse from i have read here that will be the best one. Dont forget that subaru lasts for a very long time and not like the SRT4 which road and track said that is the best value forthe money they were and still are horrible. I dont know if you guys have noticed but R&T has their favorite cars Did you read the artical about the M3-GTR-PORCHE and match it with the previous ones LEXUS ISF- MERCEDES C63 AMG and you have the M3 the best car in world
R&T blows. Me myself love the STI and that is all i need to know.

damn right!

also. it would help if you used periods and commas when appropriate. thanks dude.

07-16-2008, 12:25 PM	#142
upncummr Spec C Club Car: '05 CGM Fav Mod: HPDEs Location: Omaha, Nebraska Posts: 1,137 Join Date: May 2006 Trader Rating: (3)	Re: 2008 STI vs. 2008 Mazdaspeed3 Here's an excerpt from the Road & Track web page where they explain the formula. As you can see, E2F2 rewards Goodness in the automotive aspects we hold dear, acceleration, braking and handling, together with equally relevant matters of price and fuel economy. Note, it omits intangibles such as prestige, feel-good or what Henry N. Manney III used to call "crumpet-collecting." Rather, it takes data straight from our Road Test Summary and weights them to have, more or less, equal influence. You could always modify the formula by adding an element for "prestige" or "feel good". I'm sure those are elements that are important to a lot of us. I just don't know how to quantify it for the group at large. By the way, I've been dusted on the track by a modified SRT-4. It was well-driven and beautifully maintained. Actually it was quite a car. Gary Last edited by upncummr : 07-16-2008 at 12:29 PM.

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08 STI HATCH Amateur STI Driver Car: Dark gray 08 sti Fav Mod: Coming Soon Posts: 33 Join Date: Jul 2008 Trader Rating: (0)	Re: 2008 STI vs. 2008 Mazdaspeed3 Well if i were you guys i would be looking at the new COBALT SS turbo couse from i have read here that will be the best one. Dont forget that subaru lasts for a very long time and not like the SRT4 which road and track said that is the best value forthe money they were and still are horrible. I dont know if you guys have noticed but R&T has their favorite cars Did you read the artical about the M3-GTR-PORCHE and match it with the previous ones LEXUS ISF- MERCEDES C63 AMG and you have the M3 the best car in world R&T blows. Me myself love the STI and that is all i need to know.