[Blackfang]

Originally Posted by ploney

In talking to my dealer parts guy, he is stating that the fix is a whole new motor. Not just the short block. I am imagining that they need to halt the production line that usuaully sucks up all the motors being built and start to stockpile a bunch of "crate" motors for shipment for this fix. I worked in the auto industry at the beginning of my career for a number of years. Current production techniques make sub-systems very modular. Imagine lots of chunks of the car being pre-assembled and then assembled into the production line wholly. For example the wholed dash of the car comes into the mix pre-assembled. Engines are the same in my understanding.

How the hell is that possible? SOA has not even told us how they will fix it. Stop listening to the parts guy!!!!!!

[AllWheelDriven]

Originally Posted by Blackfang

So yes, I know what it is like to buy a 30k car and not get what I paid for. Did I lemon law it? Nope. Did I demand a new engine? Nope. So yes get over yourselves if you think you can lemon law the car(it has been said on here), have it bought back, if you expect a new engine altogether.

That is not unrealistic at all. Lemon lawing the car just because of the problem at hand, buying it back from you, or demanding a brand new complete engine is and that is what I was getting at.

I guess the Lemon Law depends on where you live.

In Texas you can have your car returned under the Lemon Law..


1. if you have been in for service more than 4 times for the same repair while under warranty.

2. if there is Impairment of market value" which means a substantial loss in market value caused by a defect specific to a motor vehicle. (not having a matching numbers block could be considered a substantial loss of value)

3."Reasonable allowance for use" means the amount
directly attributable to use of a motor vehicle when the vehicle is
not out of service for repair. ( car is in the shop all the time)

4."Serious safety hazard" means a life-threatening
malfunction or nonconformity that:
(A) substantially impedes a person's ability to
control or operate a motor vehicle for ordinary use or intended
purposes; or
(B) creates a substantial risk of fire or
explosion. ( You bought a Ford Explorer)

[Blackfang]

Originally Posted by AllWheelDriven

I guess the Lemon Law depends on where you live.

In Texas you can have your car returned under the Lemon Law..


1. if you have been in for service more than 4 times for the same repair while under warranty.

2. if there is Impairment of market value" which means a substantial loss in market value caused by a defect specific to a motor vehicle. (not having a matching numbers block could be considered a substantial loss of value)

3."Reasonable allowance for use" means the amount
directly attributable to use of a motor vehicle when the vehicle is
not out of service for repair. ( car is in the shop all the time)

4."Serious safety hazard" means a life-threatening
malfunction or nonconformity that:
(A) substantially impedes a person's ability to
control or operate a motor vehicle for ordinary use or intended
purposes; or
(B) creates a substantial risk of fire or
explosion. ( You bought a Ford Explorer)

That is true as each state is different.

[mofoSTI]

It would be funny if it was a factory tune and they would void your warranty if you had a tune.

[Digitalfiend]

Originally Posted by Blackfang

Funny how you have been one of the ones questioning or downplaying the info(possibly because your dealer didn't tell you)after a few people who work for SOA and a dealership posted the right info

I don't hang out at NASIOC that much so I don't know who-is-who there. Sorry, I didn't see the title under his name that said "Service Advisor"... Oh wait, I know why I didn't see it, there isn't one.

Originally Posted by Blackfang

Infact a Subaru Service Advisor was the one who created the thread and posted the information right from the memo we got.
In fact here is your post on Nasioc...

You took my post out of context. Not knowing who he was, I thought he was posting that it wasn't a "serious" issue and, if you read my post, that's basically what I commented on. I was commenting that a stop-sale is a serious issue and once again, affirming that I now believe there is a problem. Read the post again.

Let's look at my other post that you linked to:

Originally Posted by Digitalfiend

I've already said that I don't doubt that there could be an issue, just that nothing has been released by SCI yet, so I'm going to enjoy the car until I hear something from my dealership.

That's all I'm getting at. I already admitted that I was initially skeptical, but even commented in another thread that more and more people are posting, so it's probably official. It's not something I'm going to worry about until it affects me. That doesn't mean I can't comment on how I would feel if it did affect me.

Originally Posted by Blackfang

Guess what I pulled a brand new 2009 Forester off the lot. It is evident you do not work for a dealer and thankfully so. There are reason why it is being done the way it is. Another link to some of your posts
NASIOC - View Single Post - Subaru issue turbo STOP SALE on certain 08-09 models

I have some prime beach front property in Arizona for sale for you.

I too am thankful that I don't work at a dealership. Furthermore, I wouldn't risk posting internal company bulletins that could cost me my job just so I can feel important on the internet. Insults are rather unnecessary, don't you think?

Originally Posted by Blackfang

Dealership Service dept's have to service all the vehicle's they sell(not sure about Canadian dealerships). They may not have technicians that can't do everything, but they usually have a guy that rebuilds transmissions, one that does engines, the other may be able to do it all, etc. Every dealership I have worked for was the same way. Yes, some repairs are sublet elsewhere for cost/equipment reasons.

There are only a couple dealerships in the GTA that I know of that are allowed to service the 6spd and engines.

Originally Posted by Blackfang

So yes, I know what it is like to buy a 30k car and not get what I paid for. Did I lemon law it? Nope. Did I demand a new engine? Nope. So yes get over yourselves if you think you can lemon law the car(it has been said on here), have it bought back, if you expect a new engine altogether.

Well, lemon laws exist for a reason. I'm not saying that's the route I'd want to take (I love my car too much) but if they replace/rebuild your engine and you keep having to come back, that falls under the Lemon Law, from my understanding.

[solovus]

^^^word!

[AMTEXX]

Originally Posted by Blackfang

I just answered in red. Hope this helps.

Sometimes, things like that happen and you do not get a choice as to how they repair it.

I paid over 30k for a car that made the same power of a car that was rated 60 hp less and was over 5-7 grand less. What did they tell me when I mentioned it? In a nutshell, they told me I was full of crap and there is no way that was true. I along with other owners were blown off by a manufacturer for months until they finally realized there really was a problem. However, by then not only was that a noted problem there were 2-3 other problems that they tried to fix buy couldn't. Did I get a new engine? Hell no. They fixed the current one. Did I get a loaner car? Nope. I never got not even an Apology and still had a car that made a horrible clunking sound when driving, had a nasty vibration from 60-90 mph and had a wheel bearing go out at 34k. The day I got rid of the car, I got another notice of another problem.

Consider yourself thankful Subaru cares about their customers and they are being proactive in this. Shame on them for not forking over a brand new engine instead of giving you a shortblock because you want one. Then again, nobody knows what the repair is yet

So you were *****ing???

I'm sorry, but every time I read one of your posts, you sound like a total SOB who actually IS jealous that you JUST own a Legacy. I don't think you can actually empathize with someone who owns an '08 Sti, because you are someone who purchased a different type of car. It looks like you come from a long list of different types of cars, including Cobras and Z28's. You definitely seem like the latter type of person. Now quit *****ing at people and try and understand what they are feeling. I would be pissed as hell right now if I owned an '08. You don't think this will hurt their resale value?

[solovus]

^^^word!

[Blackfang]

Originally Posted by Digitalfiend

I don't hang out at NASIOC that much so I don't know who-is-who there. Sorry, I didn't see the title under his name that said "Service Advisor"... Oh wait, I know why I didn't see it, there isn't one.

I guess the copying of the official memo and the profile saying what dealer he works at isn't good enough

That's all I'm getting at. I already admitted that I was initially skeptical, but even commented in another thread that more and more people are posting, so it's probably official. It's not something I'm going to worry about until it affects me. That doesn't mean I can't comment on how I would feel if it did affect me.

A thread that has the "official memo" posted isn't good enough? Come on man.

I too am thankful that I don't work at a dealership. Furthermore, I wouldn't risk posting internal company bulletins that could cost me my job just so I can feel important on the internet. Insults are rather unnecessary, don't you think?

Too bad it isn't an internal bulletin that has sensitive data now does it? Your reply warranted mine and it wasn't an insult.

There are only a couple dealerships in the GTA that I know of that are allowed to service the 6spd and engines.

Well there are certain tools(there is actually a certain wrench used for just the 6sp transmission) that a dealership are required to have. I can't say if they are the same for Canada or not.

Well, lemon laws exist for a reason. I'm not saying that's the route I'd want to take (I love my car too much) but if they replace/rebuild your engine and you keep having to come back, that falls under the Lemon Law, from my understanding.

They do and each vary state to state, but merely implying it at this stage in the game(where the cause and repair have not been identified) is taking things way too far.

[mofoSTI]

Who all is just camping on this thread? I have a family to go home too. Just hope my new STi doesnt break down on the way there.

[solovus]

lol...i just said the word asshat out loud. holy crap it is funny.

[Blackfang]

Originally Posted by AMTEXX

I'm sorry, but every time I read one of your posts, you sound like a total SOB who actually IS jealous that you JUST own a Legacy. I don't think you can actually empathize with someone who owns an '08 Sti, because you are someone who purchased a different type of car. It looks like you come from a long list of different types of cars, including Cobras and Z28's. You definitely seem like the latter type of person. Now quit *****ing at people and try and understand what they are feeling. I would be pissed as hell right now if I owned an '08. You don't think this will hurt their resale value?

Yup, you got me all figured out don't you? I don't just own a Legacy, and no I am not jealous because I was looking at and almost purchased an STI, but already have enough go fast cars to fill my needs, so I decided to get a reliable daily driver. I have empathy to those that need it and rightfully so. Not to those that are overreacting and already talking about having the car bought back or demanding a new complete motor,etc.

Like I have said, I have been through this before and was treated like crap by Ford on a previous car experience. I am *****ing because I think many of you need to give Subaru more credit and let them do their jobs and not jump to conclusions about something. At least they have acknowledged the issue and are pro actively doing something which is NOT what other manufacturers have been known to do.

[delta one]

Originally Posted by Shag-e

All your points are the same ones that I have read and hopefully the number of cars in question are low, since most may still be on the lot.

Luckily, the one I am picking up on Tuesday does not fall in the Vin #/build date first reported.

good luck

[Blackfang]

If it is, they won't be selling it.

[Digitalfiend]

Originally Posted by Blackfang

I guess the copying of the official memo and the profile saying what dealer he works at isn't good enough

A thread that has the "official memo" posted isn't good enough? Come on man.

Oh come on. You can't possibly be new to the internet. How is a post full of text actually official? Unless it is posted on Subaru's website, on techinfo.subaru.com, or a clear screenshot, how could anyone possibly think that text (without any publicly verifiable source) wrapped in quote-tags is official?

A good analogy is how we trust SSL certificates. A SSL certificate is issued by a trusted third party (a certificate authority). The only reason you can trust a certificate from ebay.com or paypal.com and therefore the site itself is because you trust the issuing party. Since I have no knowledge of who these posters are and therefore no trust, why should I immediately believe what some unknown (to me) poster writes? Now that I know who they are, as more information is revealed, my trust level would obviously increase.

The problem with your logic is that you assume I (we) know who all these people are and that they work for dealerships. It's also easy for you to know it is true because you've seen the actual memo, not just some cut & paste job that anyone could reproduce. Hell, look at how many people believed the "updated" post that was put on here.

We've had people on NASIOC and IWSTI say they work for Subaru HQ and that the new STI is going to have 340hp or that Recaros are coming to the US, yadda yadda. It wasn't really a surprise this was BS.

For instance, I wouldn't have been initially skeptical at all if Jon [CT] or flyinpig had posted the info. I know who they are and trust their information.

Originally Posted by Blackfang

Too bad it isn't an internal bulletin that has sensitive data now does it? Your reply warranted mine and it wasn't an insult.

It certainly sounded like it and you're the one posting with the I-work-for-a-dealership attitude. By the way, I'm pretty confident that the powers-that-be over at Subaru of America wouldn't have wanted this info posted on the internet.

Anyhow, I admit that I was a little overzealous in some of my initial posts but reading this info at 4am after waxing your 5-day old car in the garage can do that to you.

Originally Posted by Blackfang

They do and each vary state to state, but merely implying it at this stage in the game(where the cause and repair have not been identified) is taking things way too far.

Personally, as long as my engine lasts until about 25-30K KM I'll be happy, since that is about when I'll be dropping in forged pistons and focusing on power mods. I can't do it now because I promised my wife I wouldn't until we replaced her car. Plus she doesn't want me to make the car "scary".