[dgribble]

Originally Posted by Blackfang

I don't know what is more comical. People asking if this is actually fake or not when it is on Subarunet, SOA's sending emails out to their dealerships, and the dealers are pulling cars. Yup, it has to be a hoax. Even better, people saying no I don't want a dealership to fix mine(when we rebuild engines with shortblocks all the time) unless I get a complete engine. I bet half you would take this exact repair if your car was modified w/ a spun rod bearing and a new shortblock was your only way to get it fixed for free. I don't see you contesting that. The very best one is people thinking about lemon laws.

Get over yourselves. They acknowledge the fact and are fixing it. If you don't want it fixed, or like how they will fix it, you are welcome to trade it in or sell it and buy some crap from Ford or GM.

Yes! Let me pay new car money for a rebuilt engine And yes! Let me sell my car and lose the money that was put down on it 'cause there's no such thing as new car depreciation! Wohoo!

[solovus]

Well...my 08 falls within the range of the second notice since it was made in 11/2007 and I just took it for a spin and sure enough, just above 3k the noise appears...it is a vibrational sound. I certainly don't like it now that I am aware of it. I haven't noticed performance suffering at all, but the noise is worrisome regardless. I would say the second post with the broader range is not a hoax.

[inpuressa]

If it happens only around a certain RPM range, would it be safe to assume that it is a tune issue? It it were a mechanical issue, the sound will come out regardless of RPM range at any given time?

[solovus]

Originally Posted by inpuressa

If it happens only around a certain RPM range, would it be safe to assume that it is a tune issue? It it were a mechanical issue, the sound will come out regardless of RPM range at any given time?

Unless it has sometihng to do with engine harmonics...but that is a whole different discussion

[mofoSTI]

My car is 11-07, but my chassie number is only on the "update" version.

[Shag-e]

Originally Posted by delta one

so let me see if i got this straight and sum it up.
1) this is real but not every car is affected its only a possability within the vin numbers not a guarantee
2) we dont have any solid information that says this is a piston ring, only speculation mainly because it is not yet on subarunet
3) the second update with additional vin numbers is also not confirmed yet
4) subaru is taking alot more forword action than that of many other auto makers (Mazda has been noted)

please up date me if I overlooked anything
Blackfang maybe you can help me out?

All your points are the same ones that I have read and hopefully the number of cars in question are low, since most may still be on the lot.

Luckily, the one I am picking up on Tuesday does not fall in the Vin #/build date first reported.

[mofoSTI]

If this is tune related than the lower the milage STi at the dealer is the best way to go. Then on top of that have your AP in hand to flash stage 1 as soon as you pull out of the driveway

[Blackfang]

Originally Posted by delta one

so let me see if i got this straight and sum it up.
1) this is real but not every car is affected its only a possability within the vin numbers not a guarantee
Yes. This is a real concern but so far Subaru doesn't know if all of them have this. So they posted up a memo with vin ranges that could have this problem.
2) we dont have any solid information that says this is a piston ring, only speculation mainly because it is not yet on subarunet
Correct. I have no information from my Rep as to what the problem is or what the repair is. They are still working on it
3) the second update with additional vin numbers is also not confirmed yet I have not seen a second update
4) subaru is taking alot more forword action than that of many other auto makers (Mazda has been noted)
I think so.
please up date me if I overlooked anything
Blackfang maybe you can help me out?

I just answered in red. Hope this helps.

Originally Posted by dgribble

Yes! Let me pay new car money for a rebuilt engine And yes! Let me sell my car and lose the money that was put down on it 'cause there's no such thing as new car depreciation! Wohoo!

Sometimes, things like that happen and you do not get a choice as to how they repair it.

I paid over 30k for a car that made the same power of a car that was rated 60 hp less and was over 5-7 grand less. What did they tell me when I mentioned it? In a nutshell, they told me I was full of crap and there is no way that was true. I along with other owners were blown off by a manufacturer for months until they finally realized there really was a problem. However, by then not only was that a noted problem there were 2-3 other problems that they tried to fix buy couldn't. Did I get a new engine? Hell no. They fixed the current one. Did I get a loaner car? Nope. I never got not even an Apology and still had a car that made a horrible clunking sound when driving, had a nasty vibration from 60-90 mph and had a wheel bearing go out at 34k. The day I got rid of the car, I got another notice of another problem.

Consider yourself thankful Subaru cares about their customers and they are being proactive in this. Shame on them for not forking over a brand new engine instead of giving you a shortblock because you want one. Then again, nobody knows what the repair is yet

So you were *****ing???

[mattjk]

Originally Posted by mofoSTI

My car is 11-07, but my chassie number is only on the "update" version.

update version is a hoax. check it against the original.

mine is in the clear.

[Digitalfiend]

Originally Posted by Blackfang

I don't know what is more comical. People asking if this is actually fake or not when it is on Subarunet, SOA's sending emails out to their dealerships, and the dealers are pulling cars.
Yup, it has to be a hoax.

Well, unlike you, not all of us work at a dealership, so unless we have access to subarunet, we have to go by what is posted and no one has ever posted a hoax on the internet before. No way...never...

I don't think people are really doubting the issue now that more info is being made available, just initially.

Originally Posted by Blackfang

Even better, people saying no I don't want a dealership to fix mine(when we rebuild engines with shortblocks all the time)

You just don't get it, do you? Maybe your dealership knows how to repair engines well, but there are quite a few dealerships that do not have that experience but will gladly try. I just found out that my dealership has to send turbo engines out to SCI for repair - they don't do the work themselves. This would actually be acceptable in my opinion.

Still, going off the experience people have had with dealerships and engine work, I really don't want my engine rebuilt by them. If they want to ship my engine to a centre that can rebuild them fine, then that is a better option.

Originally Posted by Blackfang

I bet half you would take this exact repair if your car was modified w/ a spun rod bearing and a new shortblock was your only way to get it fixed for free.

I can't speak for others but personally, no I wouldn't. My dealership knows about every mod that goes on the car and they manage my warranty appropriately and I've never had a problem.

Originally Posted by Blackfang

Get over yourselves. They acknowledge the fact and are fixing it. If you don't want it fixed, or like how they will fix it, you are welcome to trade it in or sell it and buy some crap from Ford or GM.

It sounds more like you need to get over yourself. Who the hell are you to tell people how they should feel about their purchase?
You didn't buy an STI. You don't have to suffer the downtime or make payments on a car you can't drive. You don't have to deal with the mechanical gremlins that can pop-up after an engine rebuild, which leads to more downtime, etc. People are rightfully upset and, with the vagueness of the issue, it is human to have a knee-jerk reaction to it.

Bottomline is, if my car is affected, Subaru can take my engine and rebuild it but the engine better come back in pristine condition, clean, and installed without ****ing up anything in the engine bay. Then they are going to provide me with an extended warranty. You can cry all you want about how unrealistic that is...

Until then, I'm just going to enjoy the car and hope that mine isn't even affected.

[mofoSTI]

Originally Posted by mattjk

update version is a hoax. check it against the original.

mine is in the clear.

Must have been some guy upset that he paid 35 grand on a misubishi so he had to find a way to get back at subaru for it? This next week should tell all or give us a better idea of what the issue is. I bet it turns out its the tune. They should have realized that when the 07's were going south. Subarus tuner needs to be FIRED!! I vote Jeff Perrin in!

[Blackfang]

Originally Posted by Digitalfiend

Well, unlike you, not all of us work at a dealership, so unless we have access to subarunet, we have to go by what is posted and no one has ever posted a hoax on the internet before. No way...never...

Funny how you have been one of the ones questioning or downplaying the info(possibly because your dealer didn't tell you)after a few people who work for SOA and a dealership posted the right info Infact a Subaru Service Advisor was the one who created the thread and posted the information right from the memo we got.
In fact here is your post on Nasioc...

Originally Posted by Digitalfiend

How does a "stop sale" order equate to "if a vehicle exhibits the problem contact us"? Those are vastly different statements.

If this is just a regular warranty issue that only presents on a narrow range of vehicles, if at all, I highly doubt Subaru would tell its dealerships to stop selling cars "until further notice". That makes no sense whatsoever.

Guess what I pulled a brand new 2009 Forester off the lot. It is evident you do not work for a dealer and thankfully so. There are reason why it is being done the way it is. Another link to some of your posts
NASIOC - View Single Post - Subaru issue turbo STOP SALE on certain 08-09 models

I don't think people are really doubting the issue now that more info is being made available, just initially.

I have some prime beach front property in Arizona for sale for you.

You just don't get it, do you? Maybe your dealership knows how to repair engines well, but there are quite a few dealerships that do not have that experience but will gladly try. I just found out that my dealership has to send turbo engines out to SCI for repair - they don't do the work themselves. This would actually be acceptable in my opinion.

Dealership Service dept's have to service all the vehicle's they sell(not sure about Canadian dealerships). They may not have technicians that can't do everything, but they usually have a guy that rebuilds transmissions, one that does engines, the other may be able to do it all, etc. Every dealership I have worked for was the same way. Yes, some repairs are sublet elsewhere for cost/equipment reasons.

Still, going off the experience people have had with dealerships and engine work, I really don't want my engine rebuilt by them. If they want to ship my engine to a centre that can rebuild them fine, then that is a better option.

When someone is not forking over the money for a repair, they are at the mercy of who is paying for it. If SOA is making a repair and it is their dollar, we(because I am a customer as well) have no choice in how they do it.

I can't speak for others but personally, no I wouldn't. My dealership knows about every mod that goes on the car and they manage my warranty appropriately and I've never had a problem.

Yes, but if you spun a bearing and they would only cover the repair if they offered a shortblock, some people would take it. In fact many more would take that verse those that would pay for a longblock assembly.

It sounds more like you need to get over yourself. Who the hell are you to tell people how they should feel about their purchase?
You didn't buy an STI. You don't have to suffer the downtime or make payments on a car you can't drive. You don't have to deal with the mechanical gremlins that can pop-up after an engine rebuild, which leads to more downtime, etc. People are rightfully upset and, with the vagueness of the issue, it is human to have a knee-jerk reaction to it.

So what you have an STI?? Big deal? It shouldn't matter if it was an STI or a damn Bentley. You failed to read my previous post on my $30k purchase of my old car, that I made payments on, Loss of work due to downtime of taking it in for the same problem several times(with no loaner) and was blown off repeatedly for months saying there is no problem until they realized there was a problem.

So yes, I know what it is like to buy a 30k car and not get what I paid for. Did I lemon law it? Nope. Did I demand a new engine? Nope. So yes get over yourselves if you think you can lemon law the car(it has been said on here), have it bought back, if you expect a new engine altogether.

Bottomline is, if my car is affected, Subaru can take my engine and rebuild it but the engine better come back in pristine condition, clean, and installed without ****ing up anything in the engine bay. Then they are going to provide me with an extended warranty. You can cry all you want about how unrealistic that is...

Until then, I'm just going to enjoy the car and hope that mine isn't even affected.

That is not unrealistic at all. Lemon lawing the car just because of the problem at hand, buying it back from you, or demanding a brand new complete engine is and that is what I was getting at.

[ploney]

Originally Posted by mofoSTI

My car is 11-07, but my chassie number is only on the "update" version.

Me too. Vin# 817XXX. Have yet to confirm any noises yet. BTW, I have taken about 25+ auto-x laps in my car so far and nothing of note yet. We typically wring out 2nd gear pretty good in doing so.

Also, I crested 4000 miles recently.

[ploney]

In talking to my dealer parts guy, he is stating that the fix is a whole new motor. Not just the short block. I am imagining that they need to halt the production line that usuaully sucks up all the motors being built and start to stockpile a bunch of "crate" motors for shipment for this fix. I worked in the auto industry at the beginning of my career for a number of years. Current production techniques make sub-systems very modular. Imagine lots of chunks of the car being pre-assembled and then assembled into the production line wholly. For example the whole dash of the car comes into the mix pre-assembled. Engines are the same in my understanding.

[Blackfang]

I checked my emails again, and still have not received any info on additional vin's just what was originally sent out. So I would only go off the first list. If I get any more info, I will post it up as i get it.